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This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 30 2008, 07:58 PM

Is there any website that covers topics which you learn in architecture?

unfortunately, there isnt such site. architecture syllabi differ between each schools, mainly because each school has their own reason of "existence", producing a different breed of designers for a special niche market. so there isnt any websites that cover topics u wanna learn, coz there's no point in doing so.

for example, UTM's architecture is about design theory, environmental and regional/conservation; while USM is more towards housing, planning, environmental and management. so if both were to setup websites to tell the public what they gonna learn when they join up, that's gonna be confusing.

another example, lets say, sejarah malaysia. well, one can opt to find sejarah text book in schools, or they can goto wikipedia, or perhaps websites setup by the government, national archives or sejarahwan's blogs like prof. khoo kay khim. all will give u varied answers, although a long a common line.

if we continue our studies oversea and being rewarded with RIBA, do we need to get the accreditation again from Board of Architects?Or we can just proceed with the RIBA since it considered as equivalent with LAM...

This post has been edited by katunX: Jan 4 2007, 10:37 AM

Good information. After some discussion, we decided to pin this thread. Hopefully, all future discussions on architecture can be directed here. Be warned that spams would not be tolerated, and mods will be in occasionally to clean up the thread.

Thanks azarimy.

so i will ask quesion in tiz thread from now on.....(hope u dont mind)

i've check the taylors website......
and they stated that their diploma is accredited by lan
http://abd.taylors.edu.my/main.php?Content...tionID=116&IID=
( meaning they have 'naik taraf' dy rite? ..)
and LAN website ...they have approve thiz course in taylor
Kolej Taylor's Sekolah Hospitaliti dan Pelancongan
K5478 Diploma in Architecture Technology
08/10/2004 -07/10/2009

well, taylor offer diploma of architecure tech , 3+3 , they stated somwhere that the whole course cost 48,250rm .....
does this mean..the duration for the diploma alone takes 6 years long?!
anyway......roughly 8k per year.......its not THAT expensive rite ( compared to LUCT,14k+17k+17k for diploma)
..another thing, i realise u all less mention bout taylor,( usuallyy its UTM,USM,UM or LUCT).........so .....does tiz mean that , its not a well known school for architecture.......

then, among UTM,USM n UM, which of tiz uni is the best?..
i've check out their website, but they seems not likely to put more info ( unlike those private college that promotes their web)
ohya...another 1...is matrikulasi a good idea if i wanna go in local uni>?

another silly question...wat uni is UIAM..( i;ve googled, but cant find anything related)

and does Prof Dr M. Tajuddin still teaching?....i've read about him sumwhere b4, n heard that alot ppl admire n respect him . ( well...im gonna make him as my inspiration to be a better architect)

thanks in advance for helpin out azarimy
well..i hope my fizzy long question can help out those ppl who's interested wif tiz course but as confused as me....

cheers!

This post has been edited by sleep_walkerz: Jan 4 2007, 05:05 PM

UIAM is universiti islam antarabangsa malaysia but usually known as IIUM (international islamic university malaysia)

KatunX, ive inserted the whole list of international schools accredited by LAM in the first post (check item 4.2.). graduating from those schools will be automatically awarded PAM part 2, and can practice in msia without the need to register. all u need to do is bringback ALL of ur work, sit for a simple interview and register urself.

LAN is not LAM. accredited by LAN means students can study there to get their diploma/degree/whatever under msian law. LAM on the other hand, is the statutory body that accreditates certificates for architecture specifically. and taylor's is not in LAM's accredited list.

taylor's is a relatively new school. currently works hand-in-hand with UTM especially to get themselves accredited. it's not that i have anything against taylor's but most of my explanations shows the common path taken.



only 3 years my dear. the other 3 years is to be taken abroad at the partner university. this is a franchise programme, u do half here, half abroad. sometimes people call it feeder programme for overseas universities. so it's 3 years dip. + 3 years degree = 6 years. like that one lah.



i prefer not to answer this question. i'm from UTM, so go figure ^^. most IPTAs have different website for each faculty. to mount all information in one website would be huge. and yes, matrikulasi is the fastest way to get into IPTA (now dont get political on me... i'm just explaining okay!?)



Dr. Taj (as most friends call him) is still teaching in UTM. he's currently incharge of final year theses, KALAM (cultural conservation) and some other bigstuff that i've forgotten. a firm believer of democratic architecture (again, dont get political on me!), and frequents some TV shows including documentaries. He's also commonly invited to give lecture in UIAM (IIUM), UM, UiTM and other bodies concerning cultural preservation.

i need to ask something as i am goign to study architecture , mind u tell me ur msn ? mine is boy_lo@hotmail.com .
by the way , the problem now is , what is the difference between the diploma certificate of taylors and the degree from limkokwing on architectural science ?
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becasue this is a pinned topic , so i edit my post rahter than incrasing the post in this thread .
just becasue i want to say thank you to him as he guided and answered me alot of question .

This post has been edited by BridgestoneRE711: Jan 6 2007, 07:53 PM

my MSN is azarimy@hotmail.com. not usually online, only when i'm not busy.



if i'm not mistaken:

LUCT degree arch. sci - is a 3 year course after foundation (1 year i think) that is accredited with PAM Part 1. after completing this degree, students usually opt to continue with the second degree at the partner university in australia (Curtin University) which is accredited with PAM Part 2.

Taylor's diploma - (not accredited for PAM Part 1) is a 3 year course after SPM. after that, graduates can continue with a degree in environments (1 year) that leads to another 3 year course in a partner university in australia (University of Melbourne), which is in total accredited for PAM Part 2.




so it's technically the same, if ur target is Part 2 in australia. the pay structure might be different though, i dont have information on that. but if u decide to stop with Part 1, LUCT is ur safest bet, especially when u're not too sure to do architecture in the first place.

opps....
sorry for getting confused at LAN n LAM.

since im not born with a silver spoon,
i think i try to go to UTM...( since the big man is there!)
......but then....how hard is it to enter UTM?
( well...i bet lots of other ppl wanted a place in there)

n ya......
will we able to go study abroad if we study locally?
( as u have said.....study abroad can widen our minds bout buildings rite?)

n do u have any recommended articles/books/websites for us ... to get fimiliar to tiz course n have some earlier exposure?
( for those who really really wanna take tiz course seriously)

well, thanks ALOT for guiding us!

well, for UTM there are several paths for an accredited architectural degree. lets refer to this diagram:



u can choose path 1, 2, 3, 4 and 6 for a degree of architecture in UTM. however, for A-levels, u will apply directly to UTM and will be dealt with as a case-by-case basis (means u dont apply through UPU).

UTM 1st degree > 2nd degree (refer path 1 and 3 in diagram above)

for the 1st degree (architectural studies) in UTM, the intake quota is 50% matriculation 50% STPM (we dont have a race quota anymore as of 2002, although most will still see matrics is a bumi quota. oh whatever...). chances of getting in is different from year to year, but the average applicant to entry ratio is 15:1. that means every 15 applicants, only 1 gets in.

after finishing of the 1st degree (part 1), students can continue in UTM (2 years), where they have priority over the selection compared to outside applicants (no need UPU, skip interview, skip aptitude test); or students can continue at other local universities offering Part 2 (USM, UiTM and UM - 2 years); or students can apply overseas, to complete their part 2 (2 years).

UTM Diploma > 1st degree > 2nd degree (refer path 4 in diagram)

intake is directly from SPM. requirement is lower and easier to get in. because it's cheap and it takes directly from SPM, i estimate this course will be in high demand soon. being relatively new (2 years), not many knew this course existed.

diploma is conducted in KL campus (degree is in skudai campus). teaching staff is the same people who used to teach in skudai, but transfered to KL. intake ratio is about 1:8. i dont have any figures on the quota.

students graduating from diploma (non part 1) can continue for a 2 year part 1 degree (u can skip 1st year) at any local or overseas universities. after that, the path is relatively the same.




the easiest way to have exposure in architecture is to mingle with them. there are several architecture/design forums (local and international) where u can join in and have a go:

tanggam (UTM architectural students online community)

kaedians (UIAM/IIUM architectural students online community)

archnet (international architecture forum with a focus in islamic aspecs)

designcommunity (international forum of designers)

This post has been edited by azarimy: Jan 5 2007, 10:13 PM

hehehe..thanks...ur advise are very usefull indeed....
since tiz is aready a pinned thread....n it seems alittle bit quiet ( well, i know im the noisy 1)......
let me ask a few more question..... (i hope its usefull for every1 n me)

hurm.......
is architect only a architect? ( i know theres drafperson,lecturer..but i dont mean tiz)
i mean...like does architect will be divided into more deatils..
...like architect that only design terrace hs.or apartment?....n stuff like tat ..( its hard to explain..i hope u get it)

how far(high) a architect post can go....?
( i mean..like bizz , u go from manager to sumthing ...sumthing to CEO)

n if a building that u design collapsed.......
who will be responsible?.....the architect?...or the contractor...or the engineer?

well..if i ask too much...juz tell...i will put a full stop at it...

i. as i've explained earlier, architect is a protected profession, even the title architect is actually protected. by right, u cant use the term "software architect" but rather "software designer". so in short, yes, architect is an architect, non-other.

however, each architect is different from one another. each specializes in one specific field that allows them be unique. for example, architect A specializes in contemporary tropical domestic design (houses, bungalows in tropical climate); architect B specializes in socio-cultural aspects of architecture (mosque, social club, museum). there are hundreds of specialization, but all architect CAN do everything. it's just a matter of specialization or preference.

ii. this is a little hard to explain. in this business, u're post is determined in the hierarchy where sitting on top is the client (individual, corporate or government). so simply put, the architect sits right under the client. that's the highest u go.

so immediately after graduation (Part 2), the hierarchy would look something like this:

client
VV
principle architect (part 3, usually your boss(es))
VV
architect (part 2, this is where u are); civil engineer; quantity surveyor; landscape architect; town/regional planner
VV
architect's assistant, technical assistant, site manager
VV
draughtperson

so immediately after studying, u're already pretty high in the hierarchy. the pay, ofcourse isnt as high as the principle's, but u'll get there. so there's no manager-CEO kind of hierarchy, coz we're talking a different system here. big transnational firms may have managers or CEOs or even board of directors, but the top guy is still the Architect.




iii. if a building collapsed, it's usually either the engineer or the contractor. but everybody WILL fall. engineer must certify that all calculations are correct, then the IR. will put his/her signature on the drawings. then the contractor will build it EXACTLY as specified by the engineers. all these will be managed and inspected by the AR., who will put the final signature to certify the drawings.

so when anything happens, first u check if the contractor followed everything or not. if they did, then check if the engineers ar at fault. in any case, architect will feel the wrath as well, coz we're responsible to everything. (that's why they pay us alot).


feel free to ask anything. i will do my best to assist ur inquiries. there's never too much questions to ask.

Wow...means total year to complete part 1 and part 2 will be 8 years ahh ?

actually, it's seven years. ignore the other "year" slot on the diagram above unless u're taking polytechnic diploma.

or six years, if u can grab a place in matrics, or churn enough money for LUCT.

Hi Azarimy!
Now i'm in Taylor's college for my diploma in architecture.At the first day the programme director told us that :"hey u guys r so lucky,u guys no need to study extra 2 more years for master!cuz....after u guys finished ur degree in Ausralia for 3 years,u guys are going to get a MASTER DEGREE!"

i dont know whether i'm too boombastic or not?!haha..

So i would like to know for us who will get our master degree after studying 6 years,what's the advantages?

Thanks
Carrielyn

carrielyn...yea see...like i told you before, uni melb change its degree courses...so when you finish come to melb yea hehe the advantages..u will be recognise by PAM as Ar ...
the duration for the course is shorter and mean u save more cash and later you will just need to fight with the market...

nice work Azarimy

I'll also pitch in whenever i can.



Carrielyn,

Some universities market their Part 2 degrees as Master programmes. Even Hongkong Uni does that too. After the Part 1 first degree, the Part 2 Degree is a Master of Architecture. The qualifications arethe same, just that da name is different to attract more ppl to study their programme.

Well, if you think having Masters is a blanket of approval for having more pay, then ur dead wrong. As an employer, why should i pay more for a Master employee when i can hire a degree student who can do pretty much da same job (if not better) for less pay?

Hope it answers your question.

Cheers!

This post has been edited by xtracooljustin: Jan 9 2007, 03:30 PM

i stand by justin's explanation, as he has put it out quite perfectly. a little background on why this is happening:

architecture is a very, very long course. it's 5 years after STPM/a-levels, and that doesnt include practical office training (1 year). so because of problems keeping interests, as well as common inability for students to cope for 5 long years, UIA (union of international architects) reasoned for architectural institutions to split them into two certificates.

a long time ago, it was 3 years diploma + 2 years degree (part 2). then after awhile, it has become hard for architecture course as a whole to compete with other courses who're offering 3 years degree after STPM/A-levels.

hence they upgraded themselves to 3 years 1st degree + 2 years 2nd degree. this markets them better as potential candidates now see the 3 years degree as a bonus. well, most people dont know about the part 1 and part 2 thingy, but we dont want bcoz of not knowing, they dont wanna enter the course.

some institutions even go further to award masters instead of 2nd degree. this is to market themselves even better, especially for people who looks at degree+masters as higher than degree+degree. but in actual fact, regardless of what level of certificate u got, it's the part 1 or 2 qualification that determines ur actual level of expertise as an architect.

for example UiTM's diploma is certified part 1, at par with UM's, USM's and UTM's as well as international schools' degrees.