Is there any software in this world without pirate?
now you can get BETA version pirate 1 already.

dont u afraid that users will get motion sickness
in a basic corporate environment, I dont think that the users will bother about the graphic, motion, tats why most of them still using XP in classic theme. And the entire new UI, and shell, they will need times to adapt to it, and maybe a short course need to be conducted, its waste of money and time

this will take at least 1-2 years after its initial launch, or M$ stopped support for -XP earlier, to make Vista widespread, remember most cybercafes only started using XP from yr 2003 onwards?

vista is a plain(nothing new) OS
nothing new other than fascinating looks compared to xp,
due to vista windows interface is too simplified, it makes power users more difficult to use the OS as they want to find the option for OS setting

just my opinion..

Its not just new outlook... I think googling it up will reveal lots more info on it...

Lots of new stuff to simplifies things.... i cant remember much lol... there's this new file system and stuff like tht.... well, almost all... some security stuff are suggested to pose more problem than the problem they solve...

In terms of gaming, there's this DirectX 10. That itself is a huge step foward in terms of gaming. They have this benchmark thing where it benchmark ur comp and give u a grading, so the next time u go to a store to pick up a new game, u just have to see the minimum grade required by the PC. U can absolutely know nothing about what CPU GPU ur running on and still buy the right game...

This post has been edited by Hornet: Sep 2 2006, 08:06 PM

Most fellas oni tok bout the RAM requirements. 2x1gb is NOTHING compared to the cost of gfx cards. Custom PC reviewer tested it with a 7800GT which is a pretty decent gfx card n even that was suffering. Those using budget gfx cards will just hafta turn off Aero I suppose.

yap
some i do agree with you, but i don't think vista is a big step ahead xp, this is what i think..
to me, vista is just an enhancement of xp... add some minor things...
most of the softwares/features in vista can be found in xp just that vista enhances it.
not like last time, between win 98/me/2000 and xp, that was really a huge gap.
stability of xp is much more better compared to 98/me

about the dx10, is simply because m$ wants to earn gamers pocket money.
if i am not mistaken, m$ just stated that dx10 cannot be installe in xp, did not tell any reason. what do you think?

haha for instance, the "all programes" in vista is now cramped into a small area rather than a big page in windows xp, this is what i hate
for powerusers, installed many programmes, then they have to scrol down each time to look for the programme they want, this is more complicated isn't ?

Aiseh..*slaps own forehead*

This is really a chicken and egg situation. On one side I'd only bother if my favourite games or MMOGs starts the major shift to dx10 base but in the same time I don't really need Aero GUI eye candy just for the heck of it. I mean like wth we all gotta prep for 3gigs of RAM just for the GUI? o.O? All this crazy hardware reqs just for that?

This reminds me of my Win98 SE days. Gonna get back to those days and wait for Vista SP2 to get things less insane a bit =p

Also there's this link from ExtremeTech;
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,7,1913844,00.asp

A bit conservative isn't it? Says there ALL gfx card is dx9 ready (obvious thing, need no footnotes >.<) but I'm wondering if owners of the same cards with current Vista can confirm if things can run OK with those?

This post has been edited by eq8all: Sep 2 2006, 09:34 PM

man , this is nuts

I bought this 7300GT and Vista still needs more....Even this can't take it. Let alone X300SE , X200 [Aero would just 'lag'...] and the whole system is a bloatware. SERIOUSLY to tell you the truth

4GB = Its much like having 512MB-1GB of RAM in Windows XP...Now you get the power , its time for serious gaming...But....are you going to spend that much......

2GB of RAM = Its like having 512MB of RAM in Windows XP. Think about gaming....You could only get Basic Gaming..Better pump to 4GB , to enjoy Vista + serious gaming

1GB of RAM = 256MB [in terms of Windows XP]. Its just nice for Vista to move around and to do basic stuff

512MB of RAM = 128MB [in terms of Windows XP]..Hahahahaha , you just made it through the 3rd round

really need to get 4GB?

So high requirements.This really can kill my wallet. I think I better stick to windows xp for the time being.

I'm sure that Vista will demand for high hardware requirements. Fast & multi-core CPU, large RAM, powerful GC, high definition SC, large & fast HDD space, NIC, LCD and etc. The future of computing is here.

And our wallet will hurt ...

This post has been edited by David83: Sep 3 2006, 12:08 AM

Aiyar..the requirement forever changing wan. Even Intel's wussy 945GM...GMA950 now also can call Premium ready so ya never know.

4 Gigs?? and isnt 7300GT have "built for win Vista" logo?
looks like they really need to revise their software, even run MaxOS X only needs 256MB minimum

apple's parody of Vista
" Mac OS X Leopard - Introducing Vista 2.0"
http://static.flickr.com/74/207241438_7c0f89412d_b.jpg

This post has been edited by dattebayo: Sep 3 2006, 01:50 AM

Since nobody posted this before, you can actually download the upgrade advisor beta here
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getr...or/default.mspx

Screenshot


What I can say is, the requirement is not as high as some of you might have thought.

Well its not that high , even GMA 950 could take it
But again , do you think you could really enjoy it...Nope , not at all

Now , we're just talking about the core OS [We're not getting into running MSN Messenger on the background , Y! Messenger , Antivirus , Firewall and other crap stuff]...

I am using pre-RC1 as dual boot. Here is the screenshot taken after installation of that build. It showed the Windows Experience Index. A64 3000+ (2Ghz), GPU is nVidia 6200 128MB using WDDM driver, expect the performance to increase when using nVidia official driver (Index will up), 1GB DDR-400 memory (50% taken after booting up), in this case, more memory are needed if going into multi-tasking. Personally, I feel it is decent enough as of performance although I never experience Vista on a higher end PC. How significant the impact in terms of Aero glass performance could be given by a higher end PC/GPU, I do not know yet perhaps some experts here can share it out.

This post has been edited by Silfrijin: Sep 3 2006, 11:41 AM

Vista is still in BETA / Debugging state thats why its slow. I've tried the latest PRE & RC1 and there are speed improvement and less bugs compared to previous releases.

About hardware issue, of course we need decent hardware to run vista as you dont want to run XP on a pentium 3 or windows 98 on a 486 right?

This post has been edited by jcheong: Sep 3 2006, 11:26 AM

Yea, the latest build as of pre-RC1 has some speed improvements over the previous builds and not to mention the RC1.

Just wanted to share my experience about vista for 15minutes done installing it into my Pentium D system...

I'm using:
Pentium D 930 overclocked to 4GHz
2GB Team Xtreem Ram DDR667
ATI X800GT...

And what i get?
A very lagging system...

You know why i say after 15minutes?
Because after 15minutes, i got mine a BSOD...

My laptop can't use VISTA. Aiks...mine is 64MB dedicated graphic memory but the requirement is 128MB. Well, perhaps I need to buy a new one in order to use VISTA.