Using normal crt or small lcd to watch, won't get any HD effect and feel even you can watch. You can use many way to overcome the HD format inorder to play at your older player but you don't enjoy it. Than there is no meaning to get the HD format video. It remain a name for you if you can't get the excitment of the HD format. Why you want a HD videocam but you don't fully get the actual HD play and watch on your big screen? Why don't just get the DVD videocam. It is the same quality and save you more on DVD cam.
You have to becarefull with those cheap HDD media player which claim can play HD. You will frustated if you know some format cannot play and lousy picture quality. Yes it is HD but need lower bit to play. That mean lower quality video. You also stuck with the firmware which you cannot upgrade to get the latest format. You will see more in the market.

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Added on June 27, 2009, 2:51 pm
Yeah, I still remember that. Using my pentium 166 to play VCD. And the famous xing player. And sometime get the blockage picture and the cdrom grinding sound when can't read those pirate movie. He... That time machine struggle to change and play from VHS - vcd. Than vcd - DVD which don't have much hu ha and problem. But now again dvd - HD/ bluray. Struggle again our mahine to play it.

This post has been edited by ozak: Jun 27 2009, 02:51 PM

Koret, koret. koret

Here's a HD memory of a simple street scene in Istanbul in all its glory - shake, rock and roll, zooming in and out, movement left, right and centre, tilted angles and all video-taking rules broken. But still, despite all these imperfections, it is spontaneous and it captured the moment, and memories are made of these. Cheers.

PS Cannot upload file in Rapidshare, will post link later.

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Added on June 27, 2009, 11:39 pm
Hi sotong168, thanks, just following your footsteps. Ya, why can't Sanyo just implement OIS just like the rest instead of sticking to EIS? Tried powerdirector but seems not so smooth compared to Nero Showtime. Maybe it's my PC, thanks anyway.

This post has been edited by ronaldkwok: Jun 27 2009, 11:43 PM

OK, here is the link to the video. Shot by missus, edited (cut and join only) by me. This is shot in 1920x1080, 30p so easier to view.

http://rapidshare.com/files/249421162/Street_Scene.MP4

check this out! The King of Pop himself checking out sony's Z1. Turns out he's a camera geek himself

http://gizmodo.com/5303026/michael-jackson-gets-his-geek-on

hey guys... thanks for the reply previously...

now i'm in between of choosing Sony HDR-SR12E, JVC GZ-HD40, Canon HG20 and Panasonic HDC-HS100.

the HD40 doesnt have stabilizer... so when u zoom, i will be kinda shaky..

SR12E seems great for everything, but it somehow records only 60i videos, which i duno what is that...

HG20 everything seems to be okay, except for the shoe, which is mini size that only allow u to put on Canon accessories..

the HS100, the shoes cover might be blocking some accessories, low-light appears some grains, but the pros is got lens ring...

do u guys know where can i get these camcorder in super low price? haha...
im thinkin of getting 2nd hand... anywhere else can find?

need some opinions n suggestions here... tq so much

60i has only technical meaning. it is still HD, your picture is still HD, doesn't affect quality of your footage at all.

60i means your video TECHNICALLY is half the resolution (one line ada image, another line just black or digitally sambung-ed image from top to bottom line) at any frame per second. since its 60 frame per second, you don't actually see the lines. doesn't mean anything tangible really, you could combine 60 half images into 30 full images (30p) if you are really anal about it

I've shot with 60i footages for TV, and can still lepas. so if TV movies n dramas can lepas, no reason for you to really care (or know) about it lah.

60 interlaced frames per sec..
by the way, SR12E (PAL) shoots at 50i, only the SR12 (NTSC) shoots at 60i. SR12E is for our local market.

whoa... tq bro for enlightening me... u really so pro in this kinda thing...
well, i assume that it doesnt affect much in terms of quality of the video...
just some1 is aiming for perfect will care about it..



whoa... thanks for the answer as well.. i really din know there's a difference between with E n w/o E... haha..

btw, i saw that the XR500E n XR520E which available locally are without the GPS function...
the 1 with GPS izit the XR500V?

i saw mostly those in UK n US are with the V behind... if we buy it from US, can we use it locally? except for the AC adaptor, we can get an replacement in msia and izit still can plug into the XR500E? how about other functions?

i wonder why they need to make the same model with different functions...

Both should have the GPS function.

the E is a PAL system, whereas the V's a NTSC system. NTSC cams are generally cheaper but..

PAL = 50i (25p applicable to particular brands and models)
NTSC = 60i (30p, 24p same as the above)

It's fine buying an NTSC cam, but let's say a friend wants to shoot with you and utilize his cam as well. Chances are, his cam is prolly a PAL system cam. That's where you'd run into complication in post, and let's just say, it's not gonna save you time.

What the hell you want a GPS function for your cam? Is there any relate to what you videoing? Buying this kind of extra no use function, will waste your money. I would rather convert this extra cost to have better quality cam.
Why the cam put it at 50i and 60i? I felt it like misleading. The actual is just 25p and 30p. It won't smooth out your video unless it is 60p or above. Nowaday, 25p or 30p is doesn't matter much. Your player and TV can play it without any problem. Just put it at auto detect. My 10yrs+ crt TV can play both pal and ntsc. My HDD player also.

I've just bought a XR520E. The video quality is good but the photo taking capability is a bit lacking. I know a hanycam's primary function is to record video, but I do wish it can take better photos. Overall, this is a nice compact package, compared to the days of mini dv and video 8 days.

seriously, i saw some website selling it, stated there it's without GPS... so i was thinking, why i will be different 1?

alrite, all this scientific terms i really dun understand.. haha...



well, i was just saying that the camcorder has built-in GPS function, i din say that im gonna buy it because of it... chill, bro...
GPS function is nothing la for a camcorder... who would actually use it? it's just that when u tell ur frenz that ur camcorder has GPS function, it sounds more glamorous.. haha...



whoa.. u actually bout a XR520E! it costs a bomb, dude...
i saw some reviews on the internet that show this camcorder actually can take a very good quality image...

how about HS300? actually, i still prefer the HS300 more than XR520E IMO...

I'm using a DSLR to take photos mah. So, compared to that, the XR520E doesn't quite match up. But it is really troublesome to bring 2 items to functions, like some otaku only.

haha... ic...
i tot u were comparing it wif a normal compact camera...

of coz i think there is no way to compare a camcorder to a DSLR photo quality...
yeap, it's troublesome to bring 2 gadgets to some functions... furthermore a camcorder n a DSLR aint small...

Actually, 1 gadget will do, as my 5DMkII can take HD video as well. But nothing beats the feel of taking video with a handycam.

The GPS is a lil extra from this cam, but the XR series is in a class where the HFS10/100 belongs too. So naturally, it's not that expensive.

Cameras in MY and EU commonly shoot 50i anyways. It's normal since most of the consumer cameras shoot 1080i (540 lines) or 1080p (540lines with the rest of the lines interpolated). Cameras that shoot both at PAL and NTSC frequencies are obviously more expensive, but that doesn't apply to consumer cameras.. and what do you mean by, "It won't smooth out your video unless it is 60p or above."? My 1080/25p footage is smooth, 1080i is smoother and shooting at 720/50p is about the same with more detail. 50p/60p and above? That's either a Sony slow mo with the resolution cut down or prolly a RED ONE shooting at 2k at 120fps in the digital world, but only for an upperhand for slow mo purposes. that's above bluray standards, so for what purposes may i ask? And trust me, there is a diff between 50i and 25p in both post till playback on the tele. Skateboarding videos look totally different interlaced and progressive, interlaced looks alot more home video-ish.

It's more about video standards/colour. We can play NTSC playback no probs. But in NTSC lands, not all NTSC players can play PAL content without glitch. Plus, i'd keep mine on PAL, so if i work with another camera man here, his camera is most likely a PAL so we don't run into different framerates and 25p -> 24p is easy as a snap, time is saved.


btw saru88, go to the shop and check out the GPS availability if you're not buying it online.

i've gone to shops n checked...
XR520E is somehow PAL and without GPS...
the one with GPS is XR520V...

since the price for both are the same, i wonder why malaysia only have XR520E but not XR520V...

You need to give more detail this GPS is using for what in a videocam. Either is good or no use stupid thing. As for my guest, it use as tag the video footage location.
1080i is actually 720p interlace it. Half of the HD. 1080p is actual HD or call full HD. It is clearer and sharper since it is 2x the 720p. As for the frame rate, I mention wronglly. It should be 25fps or 30fps. Not 50i, 60i or 25p and 30p. When videocam can capture 60fps and above, it call high speed camera. Good for fast object capture or slow motion playback. Man, it was fun. Even if you don't intend to slow speed, render to normal 30fps will give you smooth motion video playback. Sanyo latest model 2000 have this feature.
So far have you encounter pal and ntsc problem? I really don't ve this kind of problem since I change to VCD, DVD and now HD. That is over 10yrs. I only ve this problem in VHS era. But that is history already. I received some ntsc dv tape. PC detect it and just choose render to pal or ntsc and burn to disc. If you want to send to US friend, just render to NTSC. This pal and ntsc is not a big deal anymore. My DC and videocam can capture in pal or ntsc.

1080i is actually 720p interlaced? care to explain further?

720p isn't half, 540p is half. 540 lines x 2 = 1080 lines. May i ask, which model shoots at real a 720p? i'm not very familiar with the sanyo but i'm sure most of the consumer cams shoot at 540 lines. And 50p -> 25p given the same output duration will give you a result as if it was shot in 25p, no where near looking like it was shot at 50p since all extra frames after the first will be dropped.

I haven't encountered any NTSC/PAL playback cuz PAL systems are made to playback NTSC mediums, but in the NTSC land it's a little different. Oh cool, your DC and videocam can capture in both pal and NTSC? wicked, what model is it?

But i'm thankful that both my cams shoot 50i, 25p and one of them at 50p. I can mix progressive and interlaced in single interlaced signal DVD output for both sports and cinematic features.

This post has been edited by FuGZ: Jul 4 2009, 05:22 PM

Just to add to the confusion. The Sanyo HD2000 shoots at the following HD modes, taken from the manual:

1. 1920x1080, 60fps (60p)
2. 1920x1080, 60 fields/s (60i)
3. 1920x1080, 30fps (30p)
4. 1280x720, 30 fps (30p)

Does it mean that mode 1 is 2 times better than mode 3 since it is twice as fast? I believe the other consumer camcorders only records at 60i, at the most.

So these are all NTSC modes. Anyway, I do not have any problem watching my videos in all the modes on my old PAL crt TV, you just have to select the TV System (PAL or NTSC) in the TV Output Menu and both the audio and video will play fine. There is also no problem playing back the DVD-video disc burned from these videos on normal DVD player but the DVD player must be able to play back NTSC disc (most DVD players can do so automatically but some may need to do some manual setting first) since the disc is burned as NTSC. I tried burning them as PAL disc but the playback is jerky.

I suppose there is no problem if you stick to one system, either PAL or NTSC and the problem will come if you want to mix videos from both camps for editing. Heaven forbid!