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farizarif

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what u guys recommend? Panasonic NV-GS300 or Sony Dcr-Hc96e? it's give me a headache to choose.. or is there any other model that even better? TQ

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Try a RedOne camera (www.red.com). Hehehe.....that would take you a lifetime of generations to save up for that one

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what are you gonna use it for?

get one that feels good IN YOUR HANDS, good image stabiliser, good battery life. for consumer camera, these things are much more important than this gizmo or that gizmo.

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any camcoder cheaper than RM1500? Using DVD and can take photo also..

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QUOTE(andybiz_2005 @ Sep 19 2006, 11:05 PM)

Try a RedOne camera (www.red.com). Hehehe.....that would take you a lifetime of generations to save up for that one

hehe.. yea..that freakin' awesome camera. the exterior itself look expensive.

QUOTE(C-Fu @ Sep 20 2006, 11:08 AM)

what are you gonna use it for?

get one that feels good IN YOUR HANDS, good image stabiliser, good battery life. for consumer camera, these things are much more important than this gizmo or that gizmo.

gonna use it for myself. never had a camcorder b4. hehe.. so this is my 1st step into camcorder thingy.. dont know a thing. but wanna get the best.
just browsing around at camcorderinfo and looking at the rating list, this 2 camcorder is in the top10 list. oso suit my budget hehe..

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don't get the best. you want the best? buy a $20k camera.

no budget? then jangan mimpi la

better to get something that is GOOD for your kind of usage. features like 3ccd carl zeiss whatever is useless for newbies like you. what is useful are features like battery life, long record time (hdd-based cams), etc are what you really need.

when you have these cams, then you will learn how to go around the camera limitations. if your cam is bad at low light, figure out how to go around that. if your cam has bad image quality, then figure out how to shoot and focus better. these skills are much, MUCH more important than getting a cam that does everything including cook lunch for you.

because frankly, there is no such thing as bad quality image. just bad quality shots. never, EVER, fall in love with marketing gizmos and terms that doesnt tell how good the camera really is. read my long, long, past post for more info.

why those old, evergreen movies like P Ramlee ones or La Dolce Vita are remembered? the cams are hideously difficult to operate. quality also are bad compared to the cams nowadays. but the story, the shots, the techniques that they use to work around their technological limitations - these are the things that made people remember them.

trust me, 30 50 years from now, when we probably will have cameras that can rotate around you in 3d or something, people will still remember how awesome the 1st matrix was. why? because of how they try to go around the limitation of current tech when creating "bullet time" by putting lots and lots of cameras around the actor.

and besides, if you get the best cam, then you cannot spend more on extra 2 batteries, pc hardware to capture, good tripod, etc. which one would make sense: get a cam + tripod + batteries + accessories or just a cam?

you know, one thing that I notice in this forum is that a lot of people care more about cmos or 3ccd or 1 lux or anything carl zeiss than how to shoot, guerilla techniques, etc. how come? I guess it's a bit strange for me, coming from a production house where I see people share techniques, things like ooh dv cams dont have DOF like betacams, so how do we compensate..... you know, things like that.

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hmm... you're right. i think i'll go for RM1.5K to RM2K camcorder onli. sony look good for me. extra cash can buy some extra battery n dv tape.

thanks man! great explaination. no wonder your nick is C-Fu..

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QUOTE(andybiz_2005 @ Sep 2 2006, 09:47 AM)

It's time-consuming because :

1) If you shoot 2 hours of miniDV footage, you have to also upload 2 hours of footage to your PC.

2) You have to go through the uneditted video clips & cut those that are not so nice. Then you have to arrange the clips so that the movie tells a coherent story.

3) Do some color correcting or brighten footage that was too dark, etc.

4) You have to add transistions when necessary, & perhaps put in titles

5) Put in some background music where appropriate

6) And finally, render the movie to VCD or DVD. In my experience, it takes around 5 1/2 to 6 hours to render & burn about 1 1/2 hours of edited video to DVD, even on a powerful PC.

So that's why editing is so time-consuming.
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wahhh

my friend wanted me to convert his miniDV footage to VCD,looks like i have to spend hours

one full tapes(60mins i think) will took how long?without any editing whatsoever...straight to VCD?I dont care about the quality,aslong it takes shortest time.

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the fastest would be the length of footage lor, assuming you have a realtime vcd recorder - software or hardware.

if you want the shortest time, then go and get hdd-based cams, or dvd-based cams (avoid like hell, PLEASE! but if you must....)

but why you wanna burn straight to vcd la? miniDV is like the perfect partner for dvd la, not vcd. and i havent seen any vcd recorder hardware/player or software. like you sambung the cam to the player, and press record on the player, that kinda thing. dvd recorder got la.\

but basically if all you care is vcd conversion, then it will never be 60 mins (DV tape length). its 60 mins + conversion to vcd format + burning to vcd format. conversion n burning depends on your pc hardware, and cdr speed.

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In my experience, it takes around 5 1/2 to 6 hours to render & burn about 1 1/2 hours of edited video to DVD, even on a powerful PC.

it's 10-15 mins to DVD for me. Cuz I bought a four processor beast for very, very, very cheap (my friend works in Dell oz

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Well infact there were standalone VCD recorders like the current DVD recorders now. Brands like Terapin, Datavideo and Duraplus. But I dont think you can find them in the market now. Everybody is going for dvd.

If you are not concern about quality, then just get a firewire card, (your camera must have a firewire output), a software that captures mpeg1 mode, then burn them using your Nero or any other burning softwares. For a 60 mins movie you probably spend about 1 hour 20 mins to get your vcd. The fastest you can get is by using a standalone recorder which would be about 60 mins.

Anything faster would be getting a harddisk or DVD camcorder. Good for family use only. Not recommended for business purpose. Unless u got the money to go hi-tech.

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QUOTE(C-Fu @ Sep 22 2006, 03:07 AM)

if you want the shortest time, then go and get hdd-based cams, or dvd-based cams (avoid like hell, PLEASE! but if you must....)
thanks for your advice.but i really like the ease of use of HDD cam and will buy it if i buying a cam

but why you wanna burn straight to vcd la? miniDV is like the perfect partner for dvd la, not vcd. and i havent seen any vcd recorder hardware/player or software. like you sambung the cam to the player, and press record on the player, that kinda thing. dvd recorder got la.\
miniDV to DVD got quality drop?
this one is my friend not mine,it's sony dcr-hc30e.i dont have dvd burner and most of the peeps who wants this footage only have vcd player

but basically if all you care is vcd conversion, then it will never be 60 mins (DV tape length). its 60 mins + conversion to vcd format + burning to vcd format. conversion n burning depends on your pc hardware, and cdr speed.
it's 10-15 mins to DVD for me. Cuz I bought a four processor beast for very, very, very cheap (my friend works in Dell oz

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roughly how long is 60 mins + conversion to vcd format + burning to vcd format?
my pc quite ok...P4 2.6C,7++MB,radeon 9800,HDD still have 10GB space

QUOTE(videoman @ Sep 22 2006, 11:07 AM)

If you are not concern about quality, then just get a firewire card, (your camera must have a firewire output), a software that captures mpeg1 mode, then burn them using your Nero or any other burning softwares. For a 60 mins movie you probably spend about 1 hour 20 mins to get your vcd. The fastest you can get is by using a standalone recorder which would be about 60 mins.
i have firewire port,but dont have the wire and the cams dont have firewire port too,so have to use usb.
software that captures mpeg1 mode...can give example?

btw HDD cams record in mpeg2 right?is the quality same as original dvd movie we bought at shop?

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of course not the same quality as professional films in dvd format.

its like taking a picture in jpeg format. all cams can take in jpeg. but not all jpegs are of the same quality. same as dv.

dv to dvd, you get about 1:1 output.

10 gigs of space? you cant even defrag, so why bother using that hdd for anything else? there will be dropped frames, slowdowns, etc.

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guys...im having problem connecting the minidv (pana nv-ds60) to the pc thru firewire connection. i've used firewire to firewire cable n also a firewire card both with no success. the laptop n pc i used (winxp) never detect the minidv. really need a solution here...

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Sep 27 2006, 12:11 AM)

guys...im having problem connecting the minidv (pana nv-ds60) to the pc thru firewire connection. i've used firewire to firewire cable n also a firewire card both with no success. the laptop n pc i used (winxp) never detect the minidv. really need a solution here...

If the camcorder come with the CD, install first. You need to install the driver n the codec in order for the pc to detect.

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the cam came with only 1 cd. inside only got 2 software, 1 for still pictures n 1 for video... there were no driver or codec files...

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what do your all think about DC 100 from canon a good buy... i am intersted in that model or anyu better models?

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Sep 27 2006, 12:41 AM)

the cam came with only 1 cd. inside only got 2 software, 1 for still pictures n 1 for video... there were no driver or codec files...

Are you capturing from the software provided or using others? Try with the provided one. Otherwise pinjam another camera and try. Reasons for not capturing - drivers & codecs, software, firewire card, harddisk ..... Good luck.

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QUOTE(sanosizo @ Sep 27 2006, 12:11 AM)

guys...im having problem connecting the minidv (pana nv-ds60) to the pc thru firewire connection. i've used firewire to firewire cable n also a firewire card both with no success. the laptop n pc i used (winxp) never detect the minidv. really need a solution here...

What OS are you using ? If it is XP, XP comes with its own firewire driver and can auto detect your DV once connected (your DV must be turned on & put into record or playback mode of course).
If it is 2K, it will comes with the driver as well. It's just that 2K will not auto detect your device. But the sw will still able to detect that you have DV connected.
I have no experience if you are using an older OS.

The sw I mentioned here are either Vegas, Premiere or Windows movie maker.

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both laptop n pc i used are windows xp based. firewire drivers were successfully installed in both of them. firewire cable n card are brand new. i tried using movie maker n ulead with no success. maybe the firewire socket on the camera is faulty becos its never been used be4...

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Have you tried using other softwares like premiere?

how about using other firewire port? but then again, if you are able to cucuk the cable and xp installed the driver successfully, then the cam should appear in My Computer.

some guy created a very very cool video editing software, done entirely with FLASH.

http://www.onyx-vj.com/demo/

very, very cool way to mix videos in real time, damn easy to create an abstract video out of it.

I still hate that stupid pixelfont that flash designers like, though

I personally prefer onyx 1's IDE compared to the newer version.

http://www.404404.com/onyx/preview/

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