let talk about how to get this license..
about fees, module and money....


EASA Part 66

This post has been edited by mr_ashraf: Aug 1 2006, 08:35 PM

i confuse a bit about this stuff.
what's the hype about this? does malaysia / DCA use EASA now? what differ between Part66 n JAR66? btw, u are taking EASA part 66?

malaysia not yer using this regulation...
we stiill use BCAR sec L. hmmmm...

so what the hype about? for future requirement? can current dca license be coverted to EASA standard say, for working abroad purposes?

yea it for future requirement.. so if you pass this exam you will get 3 license A,C and E..
no more oral and essay

so...what part66 for? since dca not need for it yet. at least for a few coming years. heck dca not even implement jar66. do we have part66 certification in malaysia?

take this chanc as advantage.
if you take exam at DCA, u need to complete all 3 license about 2-3years if u can lar....
if u go to EASA, u need to complete all 13 module in one year and u will get this 3 license..
you budak MIAT kerr

yep..

actually, already considered about EASA, but my planned path a bit different. i planned to continue study in Kingston U for another 3 yrs which lead to BEng Aircraft engineering and B license. but since MIAT able to provide place for LWTR, im going for it as it's cheaper and less time consuming. and i value academic certification (which why i prefer MIAT and KU over TAME,etc program)

tell me how u plan to take it? in UK?

my plan like this.. first of all i already attemp DCA LWTR in C trade. but sadly i fail but my friends pass that and now he wait for oral... it already take 4 month to 'Q' up to oral... then when i join MAS, i was brief about EASA. from that i know that it have another way to get a license...
1.no oral
2.only basic question they will ask
3.when u pass all the module u will get 3 license

but the problem now is MONEY... u need to have at least RM2000 to go there.

For my past 2 years experience in MIAT, you'll regret in joining them, you learn nothing there although you're eligible to sit for LWTR but is not enough for you to pass. Yes, although DCA is currently following BCAR Section L issue 13, yet, that's the requirement for you to sit for the LWTR, although you've obtain EASA Part 66 License, doesn't mean you can work in M'sia unless you do license conversion from DCA which is Malaysia Air Legislation in Oral.

Beside that, although you've obtain DCA LWTR license, you still can go for EASA Part 66 certification by attending the EASA course. Actually what you learn in BCAR modules and EASA modules are exactly the same, just that, EASA combined some of the BCAR modules into one module which is tougher. Information and knowledge are still the same.

If you go for EASA, you'll have to undergo CAT A course first which is Level 1 knowledge. If you can't pass the CAT A course, which mean you're not eligible to go for B1 or B2 course and you're only same level as normal technician.

It's better you go and read about the EASA Part 66 to know what's the requirements. Working in aviation field isn't easy.

if i not mistaken my senior already take B1 license after he graduate from MIAT without undergo CAT A modules....
maybe u didnt understand our situation... we are already eligble

edited sorry

This post has been edited by mr_ashraf: Jul 18 2006, 12:16 AM

hmmm ... after having exam the dca exam aka LWTR now iknow why people do easa its easier and faster by the way i think i know what u mean la skptc .... yup we do not yet eligeble for easa cat B unless u working at a 145 aproved organization..... which is easy to say MAS ...the experience here can be use to aply the exam .... hmmmm the hype about this is maybe maybe la dca will convert itsefl to easa rather than the old bcar adapted from caa...( still mumbling why ask a lot of ano ..n bcar stuff during lwtr..no mcar jar ..or easa ..strange ..maybe dca is old skool huhuhhh).... weh skptc where are u working??

mcm mane nak ambik exam nie asyik syok ng xbox360 je ni

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 18 2006, 12:17 AM

ok..shoot me if u will, but nobody can tell me any other place where u can get a academic certification AND clear path to LWTR all in one go. so for me, MIAT is quite a good place to start.

now EASA, i see no difference if we take DCA license then convert to part66, or part66 first then convert to DCA license. i have seen the modules n syllabus (from the link). i'd say the difficulty almost the same considering there are also extra module (3&4) compared to BCAR section L. (btw, im going for rotarcraft, haha..save me one paper)

conversion is just a small snag. not a problem. and i'd say MIAT grad are comparable to EASA A license. coz i got a place in KU, entry point 2nd year, which also the entry point for A license holder.

i think it's all boil down to ur priority. i oredi secure a job and the company so far is supportive for me to go for lwtr. and i got a long plan ahead. which include EASA cat C, maybe a degree or master in KU or ensica. the master n degree is just for fun/self satisfaction..haha.

hahahah i dont want to shoot you my fellow miat huhuhhhhyup no different .. hahahah i see why you so relax ...the legendary eurocopter band of brothers huhuhuh... yup no different but as for us who is now wondering in the league where everybody expect nothing of us n being call dumb before even given the oportunity to be called dumb .. we need to proof the people around here ..the best way is easa where no body knew us .. as for MAS.. DCA... n some other people... their perspective of miat student are somehow not very likeable ....the best way is get easa B1 go somewhere else and got the licensed and then maybe u can work in a mega company like emirates ..huhuhhuuh dream2....maybe maybe ...let they eat their words ..huhuhhhu

dah la tu kabadi... jangan dok maun x box jerr
study..... take re exam on this sept..

ko tokey jum la ambik exam bulan depan ...come come lets try the lwtr huhuhuhh again huhuhuuh

i will retake on sept...
submit in the middle of august....

aku pun budak miat ni.. br sem 2.. but taking dip. la

heheheheh mari jadikan thread nie utk budak miat ...huhuu just kiding feel free to disscuss anything involving a/c maintenance here ...actually there is a thread already huhuhuuh jap cari jap

aircraft maintenace

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 19 2006, 01:58 AM

ok laaa.. let we discuss about aircraft maintenance here.

let this be EASA n DCA even A&P licensing thread n the other thread for the job prospect. both could be useful for all.

just met the rock yesterday. haha, one of the lucky 3 looks like cathay dont need for DCA license coz cathay prefer hong kong license and they oredi adopt part66. so rock might moving out to make his lwtr useful. the other guy in Berjaya is very berjaya la. become anak emas oredi

kabadi, any useful tips tak?

the bigger EASA part 66 licence advantage is it accept worldwide....
DCA licence just some contry accept it like arab...jer x laku...

heheheh usefull tips u should ask the rock and the golden boy from berjaya ..huhuhu me still a lil bit malas ...but for me the easiest way is toyol ..hahahahah just kidding ...caip...the question evolve from there if u have the courage read it ...like u read pedang setiawan or pendekar laut (best comic ever)..huhuhhuhhhu

ya MR Haider always tell us to read CAIP coz a lot of question come from there....
MAS also have golden boy what!!!! usop and wan. very hardworking boy always see them reading books...

wahhh good news....
MIAT will get approval EASA next year..
so maybe it can conduct part 66 licence there.. who know....
no need to go to UK...
bangganye aku jadi student miat

tp one thing aku tak puas hati laaa
why HJ ZUL (MAS) suka condem MIAT...
he think TAME dia tu bagus sgt keerrrr

aiyaaa,,, tokey lu mayak tak puas hati ke ...its normal people like to judge that they is better than the other ...... experience usually brings the iissue here .....but what to do they are the bos ....huhuhuhhh not for long huhuhhh...is this true dude if this is true ...DAMN GOOD laah

if true, kena sambung belajar la..heheh. but again, i think DCA has to adopt EASA first. if not, who gonna conduct the exam?

ashraf,
this just a general remarks k. MAS always think they are the best. they live in their own cocoon and couldnt be bothered with what the others are doing. Earlier they wanted to 'kill off' pelangi air, berjaya air, transmile air, AIROD, AA included. With the exception of pelangi air, look at the other local airlines. how they prosper.. i make this remark because i was from MAS...

yahhh.. they always the best...hmmm...

EASA is an international body so if true MIAT get that approval, it does not to wait for DCA to convert to EASA. maybe MIAT can be another places for people around asia to take EASA part66 license..
if true.. it will become national proude what???

P/S: wei tokey u can edit your post lor if ya wanna add something...

... by the way jazzy this is something of a night mare to miat student some of us didnt waant to work for mas for this reason ...they discriminate us ..its was troublesome every action to them from miat student is wrong as if we are like bangla ...yup i also had second thought because of this right now im feeling somehow kinda regreting my choice ...but this is just the begining let them laugh first ...i and my frend will try our best to tell to them that they are wrong we also got potential ... n got what it takes to certify a airworthy a/c.... maybe ...maybe

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 21 2006, 10:29 PM

You have my sympathy, Kabadi. Unfortunately this is how MAS view the 'outside world'. They are 'the best' and nothing else come close! What a laugh...

Do not be despair to all MIAT students. Get your diploma, LWTR, whatever and work elsewhere.. if I were you, I'd work somewhere else and be paid better than the peanuts the pay you here... further more the cost of living is getting higher and higher... you get my drift...

BTW, by now you would have known that 100 A320 for AA is confirmed and 30 more on option. Where would you think AA going to get engineers/technicians etc?

People. Let's clear this up.
DCA will NOT be converting to EASA 66. They will/may adopt EASA 66 WITH variations. The issuance of AMEL/LWTR as per Section L BCAR by DCA is still in force. This was indicated by the Director of Airworthiness, DCA himself during a dialogue sessions between DCA and the industry about 2 weeks ago... Currently they are still 'carefully' studying the implications of adopting EASA 66 and are NOT in a 'rush' to do it.
However nothing is stopping you to prepare for the EASA 66 implemetation/adoption. Just 'several' modules to include on top of your Section L syllabus, right?

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 22 2006, 12:17 AM

now i must forget all about the problem and study smart to grt the lwtr license. that is much more important.

eheh..lwtr plak? why not part66?

on the other hand, i notice as i read more about it, an electrical degree holder can get more exemption than mech degree holder in part66. aero degree may get most exemption. comparing the syllabus with MIAT, in my opinion, miat dip in avionic holder can get the same exemption as aero deg holer. that's a lot oredi. this is just a theory based on the syllabus tho.

weh tokey ko nie nak study mane nie pening lorr.....

to jazzy..yup is been my plan to make use the free and the rebate ticket from mas i will be using it for my easa exam if my lwtr doesnrt succeed huhuhhu its okay if im not allow to be an raspecfull lae there i can go else where with my lwtr or cat B1 ..huhuhuuhu ... just my stepping stone there huhuhuh bythewy jazzy what batch are u dude ????

study dua dua lol
if i get Part 66 EASA, i also need to pass malaysia airleg before can convert it .. tell me if i wrong??

good work kabadi! i wanna wish you and the others too (ashraf included) all the best.

what batch? whoa.. so very senior. The Lease Planning Manager, if you know him or who he is, was my batch.

waaa jazzy what batch are u from...give number..
now you working where hah...got license

so after i finish my dip ill be taking lwtr licence from miat is it?

provided that miat keep its nose clean, yes, any miat dip student can sit for lwtr... and dca is consistently auditing them..
1st batch lwtr done, 2nd batch coming, 3rd batch...hmmm...

i m still a licenced engineer, therefore, I should have the licence, right!
I think I hv replied to what batch I was from...

working at same plece is good if i can see u jazzy and learn from your experience....

well, i share my experiences with those who want to learn. come to think of it, most licensed engineers would do the same.

btw, who is from MIAT here? I know a few 'names'. I will be in MIAT this 26th.(wednesday). I wanna drop in to look at the setup there...

i am first batch of miat, previous call nothrop rice and my batch were the first batch that MIAT submit to take DCA license..
among 48 of us only 3 student pass DCA at first try... i fails both aurleg and engine not too bad just i get 74% (MR Haider told me) and most probably will retake this sept...
kabadi also same batch with me....
now we already working at MAS.....

OMG we got an lae here what an honor ..huhuhuhuh by the way are u an instructor huhuhuh i got the feeling u are someone that i know huhuhuhhh

P/s: yo jazzy can get work schedule signature from u ka huhuhh ...bole la

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 25 2006, 12:24 AM

this is a good chances.... our LAE is here

im just below them one batch. gonna go for exam next august perhaps..so 2nd batch of lwtr. this time, a lot less candidates...just around 15..maybe less and first time for rotorcraft

Please avoid from chatting in this thread, instead hold a proper discussion. 1 liners such as # 49 is considered spamming, and will be warned if it is further repeated. Thank you.

The honor is mine just to be able to share experiences and view here in Low Yat's forum. Initially I was just curious and wanted to know what's going on but could not help it when things are being 'misquoted', misinterpreted and down right totally wrong.

I can be an instructor because I am qualified and was 'helping out' APR when they started in Taman TTDI Jaya awhile back...and I do remember preparing a group of MIAT/Northrop Rice students for their oral... the first batch.

Surething, if you need someone to countersign your work schedule, I can sign, provided they are in order and you are ready to answer my questions with regards to what you have written. Basically just make sure that you have covered the BCAR Section L. Have done the basic work for the trades that you are applying. You dont have to do ALL but it is also acceptable if you can observe the work being carried out.
It would be good if your have a 'C check' experience on any type of aircraft, preferably the B737s as this is considered 'basic' aircraft. Ensure also if you are going for an airframe license, you have participated in the flight control rigging. The same for engine license. Mandatory things to have is the engine change, rigging and EGR ( Engine Ground Run). Participating in any troubleshooting would be an advantage! Please take the trouble to have this included in your work schedule!

Please also bear in mind, that the objective of having the oral examination is not to check your knowledge as you have passed the written examinations, but to see if you are COMPETENT enough to exercise the priviledges given to you as a 'Licensed Aircraft Maintenance Engineer'.. that all....





This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 25 2006, 09:29 AM

man... i really like to participated in those job but usually we were put to cargo or cabin where man power is needed ...cant demand much since we are new but saw some lae and and trainee do it but still just seeing it without practical seems still blur....


about answering the question i get nervous when being question huhuhhuhuhuh

This is NORMAL when you're a trainee/apprentice. You are like a 'cheap labour' therefore you will do mundane things like removing floorboards, cleaning, some servicing, more panel removals, sealant removal/application etc.. don't worry about it...everyone goes through the same thing!

You have to take your own initiative, stayed back, come during the weekends etc, at your own time. Especially when there are special work to be done. Normally they will do this outside normal shift hours, like static rigging, power rigging, gear rigging and retraction (a/c jacking/dejacking included) etc. Volunteer yourself and work for 'free' if need to be. They wont say no to 'free labour' Best thing is get an engineer or senior technician to be a 'big brother'. This makes life a lot easier to a trainee. Remember the experience gained cannot be found or bought anywhere else. You're in MAS, use every opportunity to gain the experience and the necessary kowledge! Remember, NO ONE will spoon fed you anymore.
Anyway, you only have to do this probably once. Once you got your work schedule filled.. you're closer in submitting your application and even closer in getting your license... need I say more?

There's a trick in answering questions... whether you know or not the answer is another story... learn boy, learn!

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 25 2006, 07:32 PM

care to share the secret huhuhhhhhu

Actually there no 'secret' to it... open your eyes and ears. One important thing about being an engineer,any engineer, is that you must be sharp and observant. I can't teach you this. This is part of your character, if you have them, you'll make one hell of an engineer!

And please do read a lot. I mean A LOT! How many times have you read over the CAAIP? Honestly, if have less than 13 times, you're NOT ready.

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 25 2006, 07:38 PM

i only finish once reading CAIP, that why larr i fails that exam. i sometimes cofusee what shold i read....
now for engine turbine engine i just read:-
1- the jet engine (rolls royce)
2- jeppesen powerplant
3- jeppersen gas turbine engine
4- Glenco gas turbine (just borrow from MAS library)
5- TOYOL
CAIP jarang2 baca

is it enough??
any suggestion of good books...

i also think to come to work on weekend just to see a people work on engine...

yyo tokey use edit la ...... haahahah caip huhuhh the words there kinda like law words to much pusing huhhhuh bytheway any other book taht resemble caaip for our reading huhuhhuhuh...

to tell u the truth i sense that aura when meeting a good engineer ... they are very good indeed somehow felt like they were former xmen member huhuhh with mutant power huhuhuhu

ashraf,
these would be sufficient in order to prepare for your exams, however, how well do you understand what you have read? basically they all tell you the same thing, more or less. a gas turbine engine is a gas turbine engine! what make it work?

Do you understand about constant pressure cycle? charles law?boyle's law?universal gas law? how they are related in gas turbine applications/operations? A simple question here: Whats an engine and whats a power plant?

What is meant by 'flat rated engine'? If by now you are unable to explain these in your own words..... i see problems coming your way dude!

TOYOL helps but please DO NOT rely on them!

"CAIP" jarang2 baca<--- trouble brewing....

This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 25 2006, 09:22 PM

what i understand about flat rated engine is engine which are derated at specific power bcoz of the condition of airplane that can handle limit force only. it relay on condition of the aircraft....

Unfortunately, this is NOT the right answer. If you're going for your engine exams, you should start to worry....

ya... i feel worry right now... so what is the right answer???
maybe wrong interpretation kot...

.... huih simple question ... but answer huhuhuhhh

my try ..from my logic laa... an engine that cannot produce it proper power production due to the limitation applied to it from the manufacturer... it is apply because on how the operator decide maybe to preserve more fuel??? my try loorr

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 28 2006, 06:29 PM

Aha! big mistake. using logic. and also, this is NOT an english language test!

OK, about flat rated engine.

A flat rated engine will be rated like x thousand pounds of thrust at ISA+15.
eg, 22000 lbs. of thrust at ISA+15. Meaning, the engine is GUARANTEED by the manufacturer to produce the rated thrust (in this case 22000 pounds) as long as the temperature is NOT MORE than 30 deg. celsius.(ISA+15), hence the 'flat rating'. Simple right? IF you know the basics, yes!

Now, next question: what happened if the temperature is above 30 deg. celsius?

BTW, are we deviating from the topic? Maybe we should start a thread for LWTR questions huh?




This post has been edited by jazzy939: Jul 28 2006, 08:42 PM

my answer is after that engine exceed 30 deg celsius, 100% of thrust cannot be obtain and will result in engine overtemperature. bcoz the concept of flat rated engine is to enable engine produced a constant rated thrust aver a wide range.and important thing is not to damage the engine

is it the answer???

i think we are not deviate fro topic bcoz all are about license. question also part of licence kan????

heheheh my english huhuhuhhh...hmmmm the thrust will increas but the effect will be at the engine it will some how overdo the engine causing a shorter life to it due to the manufacturer that have rated the engine means like a 1.3 version of neo with a 1.6 neo huhuhhhu trying without wing uhuhuhuhhhhh...


P/s : no worry jazzy this is a thread to discuss about aviation espeacially maintenance huhuhhhhh by the way the post will help people understand more huhuhhh about our story huhuhuhuh... by the way mod if this thread kinda sux just msg us yaa (to mod ) we will cool it down

This post has been edited by Kabadi84: Jul 29 2006, 12:43 AM

uwaa..byknye ilmu...lek kabadi gemuk slow2..

ashraf/kabadi,
i'd say your answer is not acceptable. your answer is still based on your logical reasoning and (mis)interpretation of the question.
For a start, I suggest you better start learning the approach how to answer properly. It all starts with your train of thoughts... compose the facts,then layout the answer. They don't teach you this, NO?

please,polish your english! Its a prerequisit that you can read/write and speak proper english...

my7 answer is based on what have i read in a book about rated engine. soj azzy could u tell us what are athe actual answer.????
i also want to know a correct answer...

Haha! Thats too easy. You have to do better than that ler.

The intention here is to tell you that, whatever that you know/read at this point of time is (to my point of view) is insufficient for you to go thru the exam, particularly the ORAL. You need to be good, no, you need to be darn good! Got my point?

yah i understand... so can you tell us what is the answer...

well, thats for you to find out!

Let's throw you another one.

Describe Brayton Pressure Cycle.
How does this related to the gas turbine engine?

alamak ..huhuhhh know but mcm basic je this but wanna contruct a good sentesnse for you aaa sifu huhuh currently sruggling to remeber n understand air leg arrgggghh.....
btway wanna ask jazzy is mmoe a document that follow standard do their have spesific standard stated by dca ?? for example air asia ?? do they have similar standard of mmoe like mas mmoe ????? plezz jazzy help mee huhuuhh

ooops, then you better concentrate on your airleg dude!

MMOE? There is no standard or format but the mandatory requirements are laid out in the AN. Now, which AN is that?

But more importantly, why is MMOE important? What is so significant about having an MMOE?

wow...reading all of this make me realize that i got to work damn hard... prepare to sacrifice everything!!!!

yah ... the important thing is SACRIFY..
forget the rest and just cocentrate to licence...
hmm....

why i do ask this because some of the card jobcard irc ..bla bla ...have some part refer mmoe ...as for in stance in CRS the certifeable word are coded as to refer to mmoe 5-5-00 if i not mistaken if mistake mr jazzy plez rectify huhuhuhuh ... to me those word are like authorization word woldnt it mean it is a need to do that in a standard manner ?? as i learn mmoe need dca approval taht whay i ask ?? huhuhhuhuh


to answer some of the question ... an yang cite pasal aoc kot jap usha an jap an hahah an68 kan huhuhuhhu ...mmoe for my understanding is like the resume of the company to have hold of AOC it need to have all the info of the company how they handle things as far as our concern thins that involve maintenance huhuhuhhuh

scold me if im wrong im still need to learn more

poor me, i'm an avionics man who sit lwtr engine trade

so there are 2 questions left ;
1st. what happened to the engine if the temperature is above 30 deg. celsius and 2nd. Describe Brayton Pressure Cycle.
How does this related to the gas turbine engine?....

*others go and find the answers....

amir hang jawabkan la brayton cylce tu...hish ... malas la tu .... brayton cycle tu tell how they explain constant pressure engine which is turbine engine ..its the relation of pressure versus volume of the thing inside the engine.....air kot huhuhhuhhh .... how it relate from intake,compression,combustion,and exhaust ...

ya la engine ada 2 type
1.otto cycle
2.bryton cycle

ottocycle is a concept for pistone engine where constant volume is applied. manakala, bryton cycle is a constant pressure engine.
in ottocycle a complete cycle happen in one places but for turbine engine, all the cycle occur continously in deffrent area e.g compressor, combustion,turbine and exhaust.

p/s to ahaw :- nak seribu daya, x nak seribu dalih, sedangkan a/c cleaner pun boleh jadi engineer, takkan kita TJT x bleh kot

YAKIN BOLEH!!!!!
PASTI BOLEH!!!

Good work ashraf. I'm impressed!

Now, this is HOW you would answer such a question!

simultaneously kan? kan? hehe..penting tu ayat tu..

waliu maintainence guy oso need tostudy so complex stuff?

If you need to maintain 'complex stuffs', surelyyou need to know and study one, right?

yes its true... if you make a mistake you probably will kill about hundred people on board....

and your career in aviation!

Both are so scaryy...buty nvrmind if u love the job u will do it with dedication huhuhh and responsibility huhuhuhuhuhu

ayak double post

This post has been edited by ahaw: Aug 8 2006, 07:32 PM

1. roughly, brayton cycle can be expressed with the help of a working cycle diagram...

a Turbine engine working flow represent as working cycle on a pressure - volume diagram. ok first, starting from Point A represents air at the atmospheric pressure that is compressed along the line AB.
from b to c, heat is added to the air by introducing and burning the fuel at *constant pressure *(diff. from piston engine which is constant volume) thus increase the volume of air.
from point c to d the combustion gases expand, part of the expanded energy (combustion gases expand) is turned into mechanical power which is done by turbine and the rest discharge at high rate thus giving the thrust.

2. for the flat rated engine this is the first time i heard about it.... anyway jazzy can you briefly explain about International Standard Atmosphere + 15/ ISA+15 ? i cant answer the the effect of the temperature rise to the engine, because i dont really understand what it mean....

anyway thats from me

*some say, you can get the result (easa part 66) exam 2 weeks after the exam date.... is it true?

This post has been edited by ahaw: Aug 8 2006, 07:35 PM


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wahh with picture... good explaination...
this is one of DCA engine essay question...
GOOD LUCK AHAW

waaaaa a nice picture of brayton cycle ...hhohohohoho weh otto cycle got tak??? huhuhhuhh

ahaw,
very good explanation of the brayton cycle...

about the ISA+15. Okay, think in this manner: The temperature is now higher(hotter). When the temperature is high, what is the affect on the air properties?
If these properties of the air changes, what will be the effect on the engine thrust?

engine thrust also change... because one of factor affecting thrust is temperature right..

dude just went for my exam ..... 24 august ..... all i can say is huhhuhuhh the question is a lil bit hard laa..but the airleg was okay ...only the engine mcq was a lil bit hard ....huhuh pray for me yaa my frend..... by the way what is reduxing dude ... there one question asking what is reduxing ....huhuhu to all my frend cepat cepat la gie exam the quuestion are starting to change it is starting to get a lil bit confusing huhuhuhh okay ...ahaw and mr ashraf gambate gambate .....


p/s: i was supprise there were a lot people try for this eventhough they are quite old ....respect to them and it was very encouraging them to give me some nice advise huhuhh come guys lets strife for successs huhuhuh

apply already.... good luck Kabadi84

@jazzy : ok