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post Jun 8 2006, 11:38 AM


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Now with AM2 out and Conroe due in July, I think it's about time we started having a discussion and benches in terms of bandwidth for DDR2 modules. I've been searching around on the net and there hasn't been a properly collected DB of DDR2 overclocking.

Do share with us your results and screenies. Even if you're running it on P4

In order for a recognised database, please include links to CPU-Z's verification page for your rig and post screenshots of SiSoftware Sandra bandwidth test (Unbuffered)

Ranking will be done in terms of DRAM speeds obtained. Not processor clockspeeds or percentage of gain. However in the event of equal frequencies, I'd like a screenshot of bandwidth utilising preferably SiSoft's Sandra (Unbuffered)

1. pcmoddingmy: AMD 3000+ Orleans F2|DFI Infinity NF UltraII-M2|2 x OCZ 1GB PC2-8000 Titanium Alpha VX2@ 2.44v| DRAM: 540.8Mhz
2. Benny Lodewijk: E6600|Asus P5W DH Deluxe|2 x ADATA DDR2-800 512 (Elpida GE-E chips @ 2.4 volt) DRAM: 500Mhz
3. Soulfly: AMD 3000+ Orleans F2|BIOSTAR Tforce 550|1 x Corsair VS DDR2-667 (Elpida chip) @ 2.2v|DRAM: 450.4Mhz
4. irenic: Intel E6300 444x7 1.375vcore|Gigabyte GA-965P-DS4 |1024x2 Mushkin DDR2 800 with green heatspreader (dunno what chipset)
@ddr2 4-5-5-15 2.1v|DRAM: 444Mhz
5. Tone: P4 631 3Ghz|Abit IL8|2 x Micron 512mb DDR2 667Mhz| DRAM: 394Mhz


Some known DDR2 chip list....

Crucial
Ballistix DDR2 Pc2-5300 (2.2V) 667 @ 3-3-3-12 [Micron BT-3, B6-3]
Ballistix DDR2 Pc2-6400 (2.2V) 800 @ 4-4-4-12 [Micron BT-37E, B6-37E, B6-25F]
Ballistix DDR2 PC2-8000 (2.2V) 1000 @ 5-5-5-15 [Micron BT-3, B6-3]


Corsair
Corsair XMS2 Twin2x 4300C3/PRO 533 @ 3-3-3-8 [Elpida]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2x 5400C4 667 @ 4-4-4-12 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 5400C4 Rev5.2 667 @ 4-4-4-12 [Micron D9DQW]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 5400C4 667 @ 4-4-4-12 [Nanya]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 5400UL 667 @ 3-3-2-8 [Micron D9DQT]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 6400C3 800 @ 3-4-3-9 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 6400C5 800 @ 5-5-5-12 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 8000UL 1000 @ 5-4-4-9 [Micron D9DQT]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 8500 1100 @ 5-5-5-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 8500C5 1100 @ 5-5-5-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
Corsair XMS2 Twin2X 8500UL 1100 @ 5-5-5-15 [Micron D9GMH]


G.Skill
G.SKILL DDR2 F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ (2.0V - 2.1V) 800 @ 4-4-4-12 [Micron D9GMH]
G.SKILL DDR2 F2-8000PHU1/2GBHX (2.2V - 2.3V) 1000 @ 4-4-4-5 [Micron D9GKX]


Kingston
Kingston Value RAM DDR2 PC2-6400 (1.8V) 800 @ 5-5-5-16 [Micron D9GKX]


Mushkin
Mushkin DDR2 EM2-6400 (1.8V - 2.1V) 800 @ 5-5-5-12 [Aeneon]
Mushkin DDR2 XP2-5300 (2.1V - 2.3V) 667 @ 3-3-3-10 [Elpida]
Mushkin DDR2 XP2-6400 (1.9V - 2.1V) 800 @ 4-3-3-10 [Micron D9GMH]
Mushkin DDR2 XP2-8000 REDLINE (2.2V - 2.3V) 1000 @ 4-5-4-11 [Micron D9GMH]


OCZ Technology
OCZ EB DDR2 PC2-4200 Platinum Rev.2 Limited Edition (2.0V) 533 @ 3-2-2-8 [Micron BT-37E]
OCZ EB DDR2 PC2-5400 Titanium (2.1V) 667 @ 4-2-2-8 [Micron BT-3]
OCZ EB DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum (2.1V) 800 @ 4-3-3-8 [Micron BT-3]
OCZ EL DDR2 PC2-6400 Platinum XTC (2.1V) 800 @ 4-5-4-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
OCZ EL DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum XTC (2.1V) 1000 @ 5-5-5-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
OCZ EL DDR2 PC2-8000 Platinum XTC Extreme Edition (2.1V) 1000 @ 4-5-4-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]


Patriot
PATRIOT DDR2 5300LL (1.8V) 667 @ 4-4-4-12 [Elpida, Micron D9GMH]
PATRIOT DDR2 6400LL (2.1V) 800 @ 4-4-4-12 [Micron D9DQT]
PATRIOT DDR2 7200LL (2.3V) 900 @ 5-5-5-15 [? ? ? ? ? ? ?]
PATRIOT DDR2 8000LL (2.3V) 1000 @ 5-5-5-15 [Micron D9DQT]


Super Talent
SUPER TALENT DDR2 6400 800 @ 4-3-4-8 [Micron D9DQT, D9GKX]
SUPER TALENT DDR2 8000 1000 @ 5-5-5-15 [Micron D9DQT, D9GKX]


TeamGroup
Team Xtreem DDR2 PC2-5300 (2.0V - 2.2V) 667 @ 3-3-3-8 [Micron D9GMH]
Team Xtreem DDR2 PC2-6400 (2.0V - 2.2V) 800 @ 4-4-4-12 [Micron D9GMH]
Team Xtreem DDR2 PC2-8000 (2.1V - 2.3V) 1000 @ 5-5-5-15 [Micron D9GMH]

===============================================


Memory ICs manufactured by Micron:

D9GKX B6-25E
D9GMH B6-3
D9GCT B6-37E
D9DQT BT-3
D9DQW BT-37E
D9GMG BN-3
D9DCN CB-37E
D9DCL CB-3
D9CHM BP-37E
D9DCD CC-37E

1.BT - legendary fat body. Discontinued product. Can take very low latencies with high voltage.
2.B6 - first 80nm chips. usual OC 950MHz 4-4-4
3.BN - ~ equals to B6 but are used in 256MB sticks
4.СB and others - nothing special. Max OC ~800 4-4-4

Suffixes (binning levels):
-5 200 MHz 4-4-4
-5E 200 MHz 3-3-3
-37E 267 MHz 4-4-4
-3 333 MHz 5-5-5
-3E 333 MHz 4-4-4
-25 400 MHz 6-6-6
-25E 400 MHz 5-5-5

Source (http://forums.overclockers.ru/viewtopic.php?p=2893524#2893524)

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post Jun 8 2006, 11:40 AM


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..and also, did anyone identify any DDR2 that has great overclockability? Not just in term of speed, but the timing as well....

Which DDR2 to get for overclocking?

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XS have few benchies on D9-fatboys chips.. guess its a micron
[XS] The ultimate overclocking DDR2 memory list!
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post Jun 8 2006, 12:04 PM


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my contribution:

system setup:
P4 631 3Ghz
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2 x Micron 512mb DDR2 667Mhz

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post Jun 8 2006, 12:13 PM


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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jun 8 2006, 11:40 AM)
..and also, did anyone identify any DDR2 that has great overclockability? Not just in term of speed, but the timing as well....
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Timings and rated Mhz are actually divided in 2 for general reference to DDR. It'll be easier to look at it that way. The advantage DDR2 has over DDR is that the bandwidth has increased significantly if clock to clock (For example DDR 400 Vs. DDR2 800)

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XS have few benchies on D9-fatboys chips.. guess its a micron
[XS] The ultimate overclocking DDR2 memory list!
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thanks for posting but I had a look at it before this. It's just a list of possibly clockable modules but we need a proper database of proven clocks like those currently available for DDR's (e.g. screenshots, settings and stuff) like tone has posted. I wanna start gathering an OC'ed database

and thanks tone

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post Jun 9 2006, 02:28 AM


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wouldja believe Corsair hit PC10,000 already, with DDR2 clocked all the way up to 1,200MHz? still in pre=pro though, but probably out in the next couple months.
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QUOTE(eBola @ Jun 9 2006, 02:28 AM)
wouldja believe Corsair hit PC10,000 already, with DDR2 clocked all the way up to 1,200MHz? still in pre=pro though, but probably out in the next couple months.
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True but with current limitations on chipsets, I'd wanna see benches on AM2 for bandwidth actually. TonyOCZ hit 7k unbuffered and 11.7k buffered in his Sandra benches already
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where are the intel ddr2 guys?

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can i ask newbie question? ddr2 is hotter than ddr or not when oc? sry since that i still use ddr so i wanna make my new pc soon... thx..
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QUOTE(azrko @ Jun 14 2006, 01:13 PM)
can i ask newbie question? ddr2 is hotter than ddr or not when oc? sry since that i still use ddr so i wanna make my new pc soon... thx..
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Generally, no as DDR2 as per JEDEC specification works at a VDIMM of 1.8v wherelse DDR works at VDIMM of 2.6v. So in conclusion, DDR2 runs cooler comparably when OC'ed unless you plan to whack harder voltages then active cooling is recommended
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from what i read, it's cooler compare to DDR

but i might be wrong as well if it only applies to certain ddr2 chip only

Anyway.... regarding the Micron's D9 chips...

from what I understand, D9 is just a code for Micron's DDR2 chips. the superior one was the 'fat body' D9 chips. but how does the normal D9 chips overclock (which are not fat body)?

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hermm.. so ddr2 is better than ddr meh?? i'll check later on my budget... hahaha biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jun 14 2006, 01:18 PM)
from what i read, it's cooler compare to DDR

but i might be wrong as well if it only applies to certain ddr2 chip only

Anyway.... regarding the Micron's D9 chips...

from what I understand, D9 is just a code for Micron's DDR2 chips. the superior one was the 'fat body' D9 chips. but how does the normal D9 chips overclock (which are not fat body)?
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hence my intention to start a DDR2 database. To get as many feedback possible about all available DDR2's prefereably by chip

QUOTE(azrko @ Jun 14 2006, 01:48 PM)
hermm.. so ddr2 is better than ddr meh?? i'll check later on my budget... hahaha biggrin.gif
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In terms of bandwidth, yes actually. Just don't expect very high DDR speeds. The highest known so far is 250Mhz
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ADATA DDR2-800 512 x 2 Elpida GE-E chips @ 2.4 volt

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i will post the mem b/w later
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got something to ask here....

Does it mean that DDR2-800 will run at 400MHz FSB if no divider is used? meaning it is not only twice the frequency of the normal DDR400, but also twice the data rate per clock, since DDR2 is supposed to carry 2 times more data... which makes it 4 times more bandwidth compared to a DDR400?
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if a system is running with both FSB and DRAM in synchronous, the memory will run four times the speed of the FSB (actual speed).

ex:

Intel 200MHz FSB (800MHz quad pumped) : DDR2-800 = 1:1

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QUOTE(soulfly @ Jun 21 2006, 03:49 PM)
if a system is running with both FSB and DRAM in synchronous, the memory will run four times the speed of the FSB (actual speed).

ex:

Intel 200MHz FSB (800MHz quad pumped) : DDR2-800 = 1:1
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for example, DDR2 PC6400 (DDR2-800)is supposed to run at 400MHz, so meaning if my FSB is overclocked to 400MHz, and with a 1:1 divider, the memory will also run at 400MHz, right?
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QUOTE(victor_hoh @ Jun 21 2006, 05:33 PM)
for example, DDR2 PC6400 (DDR2-800)is supposed to run at 400MHz, so meaning if my FSB is overclocked to 400MHz, and with a 1:1 divider, the memory will also run at 400MHz, right?
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Precisely if you're running 1:1 in terms of dividers. The added gain would come in terms of bandwidth as DDR2 will carry 4 bits of data per cycle compared to 2 bits on DDR
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oi oi ..... Team Xtreem DDR2-667 <---- value for money... good overclocking!!!

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