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TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 08:11 AM, updated 15y ago

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first of all, ths is my first post in lowyat.net and i would like to share with u bout my egpu setup. tongue.gif
however, i just roughly go through everything and if u find that it is interesting, pls find attached web link for more detailed information.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-sof...xperiences.html

my machine
laptop: dell vostro v130
cpu: intel i5 470um 1.33ghz (ultra low voltage)
igpu: intel hd graphics
egpu: gtx 550ti (second hand item, 89au)
diy vidock: PE4H+PM3N (around 100us)
driver: Verde 275.33 + nando's nvam.inf (modded nvidia optimus driver)

parts needed for ths egpu setup:
1. (DIY Vidock) PE4H+EC2C/PM3N
EC2C is for express card slot
PM3N for mpcie slot
http://www.hwtools.net/Adapter/PE4H.html
2. a power supply
3. amd/nvidia graphic card
nvidia(fermi) + intel 4500MHD/HD/HD3000 + modded nvidia optimus driver = gaming with laptop internal display
nvidia fermi desktop card: GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx, GTX5xx

here is my laptop with egpu + internal lcd, testing with crysis 2. sorry for poor skill and video quality, i just simply captured.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jIb2jurRIU

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however, the performance is lower if compared to desktop setup due to the the bottleneck effect of my cpu (1.33ghz) and some sort of bla bla pcie connection, pls find the attached link for more detailed information. anyway, thank you so much for giving me ths chance to share my experience with lowyat-ian and sorry if there is any inconvenience made. tongue.gif

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post Sep 3 2011, 08:15 AM

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So cool.. drool.gif drool.gif


Added on September 3, 2011, 8:16 amroughly how much it will cost for egpu setup??

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TSkimchoo
post Sep 3 2011, 08:27 AM

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em... i bought the diy vidock parts (PE4H+PM3N) around 100US included postage from taiwan . the gtx 550ti i bought it from ebay, second hand item and it costs me 89AU. anyway, it is much more cheaper than the ordinary Vidock : D
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:46 AM

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kimchoo: ur lappy doesn't come with any GPU? just intel HD only? so total how much u spent?
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:52 AM

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yeap, no gpu but the intel HD graphics. around 100us for that diy vidock parts and 89au for gtx 550ti .
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:09 AM

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gt ppl sell this at garage sales if not mistaken.. external gpu...
so ts, how ur gaming performance then? heat? kinda interest to noe oso.. XD
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:44 AM

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oh ya , someone selling the real Vidock in garage sale. it did boost the gaming performance few times if compared with just igpu alone like intel hd graphics in my vostro v130. em.. playable framerates in crysis 2 with "very high" setting and maxed out setting in bulletstorm even with 2x anti-aliasing. and my notebook cpu is quite hot actually, hitting 80c semetimes : D . anyway, u cant expect very high performance from my egpu setup, the intel i5 ulv might be the one that slowed everything down. haha
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:55 AM

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and the PCI-E x1 as well...
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post Sep 3 2011, 09:57 AM

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QUOTE(astria @ Sep 3 2011, 09:55 AM)
and the PCI-E x1 as well...
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yeap!! exactly ! rclxms.gif
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:09 AM

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One thing I dont like about DIY Vidock is that it looks kinda messy, and its hard to find and buy PE4H+EC2C/PM3N in my area here. I dunno whats that.

If me, i'll buy Vidock...although expensive a bit...
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:10 AM

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accumulate the dust only.
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post Sep 3 2011, 10:12 AM

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QUOTE(joanneway @ Sep 3 2011, 10:10 AM)
accumulate the dust only.
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Anyway, its a good attempt, and at least we get to play some high end games on our old lappy... biggrin.gif
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true also.
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post Sep 3 2011, 11:44 AM

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laugh.gif it look nice if not look messy... the wire make headche...
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post Sep 3 2011, 02:46 PM

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eGPU Configurations
A. PCIe x1 link.
This setup only require one PCIe x1 port. This can be either mPCIe port or ExpressCard (34mm/54mm) slot. There are two flavors of PCIe x1 link setup:-
  1. Raw PCIe x1 link setup.
    Any notebooks can support this setup. However, eGPU will perform worst on any pre-Sandy Bridge (SB) notebooks with this setup. This is because of the PCIe x1 bandwidth on pre-SB notebooks is only 2.5Gb/s at each direction (5Gb/s concurrent). eGPU will perform better on SB notebooks because PCIe x1 link speed is 5Gb/s at each direction (10Gb/s concurrent). However, SB notebooks can only utilized this using newer PE4L v2.0 or PE4H v3.0 which will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
  2. PCIe x1 + Optimus = x1.Opt or x1.2Opt
    Opt=Optimus will provide PCIe data compression which boost performance over PCIe x1 link. Optimus only possible if your notebook have either active Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics or Intel HD 3000 or Intel GMA x3150 (e.g. Asus Eee PC 1015PEM netbook) iGPU. Combination with either of these iGPU & Nvidia Fermi (Nvidia GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx & above) desktop graphic card, you will be able to do x1.Opt setup. x1.Opt will provide way better performance than raw PCIe x1 link setup. It's equivalent to PCIe x2 link setup & on certain games, way better. You also will be able to get acceleration on internal LCD but the performance will almost half because graphic card need to transmit the frames through PCIe x1 link, the same link which notebook use to transmit data to eGPU for processing. The PCIe data compression provided by Optimus will reduced/eliminate any lags during gaming. You will get full performance if using external monitor (~80% compared to desktop).

    SB notebooks chipset support PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s x1 link. The performance is equivalent to PCIe 2.5Gb/s x4 link. The PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s compliant kit will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
B. PCIe x2 link.
This setup require two PCIe x1 ports. This can be either combination of ExpressCard + mPCIe slot OR two mPCIe ports. x2 link setup only possible with either of these combinations:-
  1. PCIe port#1 & port#2.
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  2. PCIe port#3 & port#4.
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  3. PCIe port#5 & port#6.
You can use AIDA64 software to check the PCIe port numbers, for example:-
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Remember, the PCIe port(s) that is/are reported "Empty" doesn't means they are available physically. You need to check them yourself. mPCIe port(s) usually located at the bottom of your notebook, in HDD/RAM compartment. For ExpressCard slot, you need to connect, for example, ExpressCard to eSATA/USB adapater to know the ExpressCard PCIe port number.

This is an example of x2 link connections; PCIe port#1 (WWAN) & port#2 (WLAN):-
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This setup provide performance equivalent to x1.Opt setup, except the internal LCD support/acceleration. External monitor is a must for this setup since notebook doesn't have compatible iGPU to project frames to internal LCD. You can use either ATiAMD or Nvidia graphic card for this setup.

C. PCIe x4 link.
This is rare setup. This setup require 4 PCIe x1 ports; PCIe port#1 + port#2 + port#3 + port #4 OR PCIe port#5 + port#6 + port#7 + port #8. Only some notebooks have PCIe ports arrangement that can support this setup, e.g. Dell Studio XPS 1645.


NOTE: x2 & x4 link setup are not possible on SB notebooks due to hardware/BIOS limitation.


ExpressCard (34mm/54mm)
(Source: www.expresscard.org)
Comparison between CardBus & ExpressCard. Only ExpressCard useful for eGPU.
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eGPU vs. PCI space
eGPU will require 256MB of PCI space for it to work. TOLUD register defined available PCI space on notebooks. On some notebooks, TOLUD register is set too high which means there is not enough PCI space for eGPU. In this situation, the only way you can get eGPU to work is by reducing RAM to 2GB/3GB of RAM. With more RAM, eGPU will be detected but with Error 12 in Device Manager. To know the value set in TOLUD register, you can use Device Manager; set View to "Resources by connection" & expand the Memory tree; like this:-
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The first PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is what you're looking for. In the above example, the firs PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is 0xA8000000. The calculation is simple:-
0xA8000000 = 2818572288 (dec) bytes = 2818572288 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 2.625 GB

As long as TOLUD is equal or lower than 3.25 GB, you will have no problem using eGPU & 4GB or more RAM. You can use this table for quick calculation:-
  • E0000000 = 3.5 GB
  • D0000000 = 3.25 GB
  • C0000000 = 3 GB
  • B0000000 = 2.75 GB
  • A0000000 = 2.5 GB
Usually, even with low TOLUD, you can get Error 12 in Device Manager since the PCI space are, let say, scattered. For this, you can do PCI compaction using eGPU Setup 1.x. USD 25 license fee will be impose if you use eGPU Setup 1.x software with eGPU kit from any supplier other than HIT (Harmonic Inversion Tech).

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QUOTE(kimchoo @ Sep 3 2011, 09:44 AM)
oh ya , someone selling the real Vidock in garage sale. it did boost the gaming performance few times if compared with just igpu alone like intel hd graphics in my vostro v130. em.. playable framerates in crysis 2 with "very high" setting and maxed out setting in bulletstorm even with 2x anti-aliasing. and my notebook cpu is quite hot actually, hitting 80c semetimes : D . anyway, u cant expect very high performance from my egpu setup, the intel i5 ulv might be the one that slowed everything down. haha
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You can easily supercharged the ULV processor using ThrottleStop.

Anyway, kimchoo DIY eGPU setup is x1 link with Optimus which is better than PCIe x2 setup. With PCIe x2 setup the eGPU will perform roughly 80% from it actual capability. There is several video on youtube. You'd be surprise how well it perform on PCIe x2 or PCIe x1.Opt (with optimus).

This post has been edited by kizwan: Jan 19 2012, 03:01 PM
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post Sep 3 2011, 03:02 PM

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That's good news bro......cool...
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post Sep 3 2011, 03:53 PM

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oo..this is nice..

at least people who cant afford to buy good laptop to play games can use this DIY method and still be able to play new games witout a problem
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post Sep 3 2011, 06:43 PM

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QUOTE(viruz019 @ Sep 3 2011, 03:53 PM)
oo..this is nice..

at least people who cant afford to buy good laptop to play games can use this DIY method and still be able to play new games witout a problem
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It seems so complicated and hard to look after.
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post Sep 3 2011, 08:49 PM

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QUOTE(Ikmal91 @ Sep 3 2011, 06:43 PM)
It seems so complicated and hard to look after.
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Actually its simple provided your notebook support it. Looks messy due to cabling and TS use internal PCI-E connector instead the one provided by the notebook via PCI-E port.

Anyway, its great to see some local scene involve with egpu/vidock setup. Provided with decent laptop and external gpu, can easily reach 15k+ 3dmark06.
The difference with egpu and vidock is, vidock provide internal case including the wiring / jumper board in order for the card to operate. Plus, the setup automatically be remembered for the gpu used, plug and play. (not sure on egpu) (credits to ComputerCowboy from notebookreview)
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Attach some setup from egpu (GTX470) + VAIO Z (Intel HD + GT330M) by notebookreview user, yuuma.
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I can say its neat, and its like PMD approach which use by Sony for the flagship model, the new Z.
I love seeing this kind of technology. Its currently testing on Thunderbolt port, instead of already support port PCI-E.

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post Sep 3 2011, 09:41 PM

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QUOTE(Miyabi @ Sep 3 2011, 08:49 PM)
Plus, the setup automatically be remembered for the gpu used, plug and play. (not sure on egpu) (credits to ComputerCowboy from notebookreview)
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Not true for all notebook though. This depend on BIOS & system configuration/design. Plug n play on one notebook but not that easy on another. This is true for both VillageTronic's ViDock & DIY eGPU. As long as there is enough PCI space, ViDock or eGPU will work. Many notebook have higher TOLUD & not enough PCI space.
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hm... new direction for higher class netbooks/mini ultrabooks? and instead of a desktop GPU, still use a notebook GPU (is that what sony did?) so still a performance boost but smaller case.

Hm.... how much voltage can thunderbolt carry?
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cool I might just try it hmm.gif
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post Sep 3 2011, 11:26 PM

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haha.. cool man.. @@...

guyss..



i see in the future... al notebooks wil be 100grams..... normal voltage octa core cpu.... integrated shyt gpu.... ssd...


bek home~~~ woila.. plug in to gtx900... ..... thru PCI x100.... shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(IvanWong1989 @ Sep 3 2011, 11:26 PM)
haha.. cool man.. @@...

guyss..
i see in the future... al notebooks wil be 100grams..... normal voltage octa core cpu.... integrated shyt gpu.... ssd...
bek home~~~ woila.. plug in to gtx900... ..... thru PCI x100....  shakehead.gif
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gtx1k...
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post Sep 5 2011, 11:14 AM

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QUOTE(DoubleU @ Sep 3 2011, 09:47 PM)
hm... new direction for higher class netbooks/mini ultrabooks? and instead of a desktop GPU, still use a notebook GPU (is that what sony did?) so still a performance boost but smaller case.

Hm.... how much voltage can thunderbolt carry?
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The new Sony VAIO Z have the PMD aka Portable Media Dock where user can just dock it thru Lightpeak port on VAIO Z to use the AMD Radeon GPU on external screen or/and internal screen (Eyefinity). While on the go, the VAIO Z will using the Intel HD 3000 igp.

While the basic idea of eGPU /ViDock pretty much the same, the difference is the connectivity via PCI-E and customizeable external GPU. Tho, some issue user might face is unable to project back to laptop built in screen, resulting of the need of external display. And other thing, fps caps to 30 when using the built screen (Laptop -> PCI-E port -> eGPU -> PCI-E port -> Laptop internal display).

Not sure on voltage on Thunderbolt , but the thing can carry up to 20Gbps bandwidth.

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i really dun get it by using usb 2 or 3 does it utilize fully using vi-dock? better use other kind of plug.
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QUOTE(joanneway @ Sep 5 2011, 11:23 AM)
i really dun get it by using usb 2 or 3 does it utilize fully using vi-dock? better use other kind of plug.
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The eGPU / Vidock is connected via PCI-E port. It wont use any USB port. From the setup screenshot, you can see those bulky power supply for powering up the external gpu.
While Lightpeak will make use of USB 3.0.
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oohh.. hmm.gif might loss some only right. but still better than nothing. works like charm.
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post Sep 8 2011, 03:11 PM

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i already use this long time ago with my Dell Vostro 1310 + XFX Radeon HD 5670 512Mb. but now no longer used it, my laptop already sold biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(kimchoo @ Sep 3 2011, 08:27 AM)
em... i bought the diy vidock parts (PE4H+PM3N) around 100US included postage from taiwan . the gtx 550ti i bought it from ebay, second hand item and it costs me 89AU. anyway, it is much more cheaper than the ordinary Vidock : D
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cool....is it enough to buy tdiy vidock parts include amd radeon hd 6570(RM230) with budget around RM650?does this eGPU require external monitor like ordinary vidock?

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PE4H kit = USD91 + USD22 (postage) = RM360
ATiAMD Radeon HD 6570 = RM230
Total = RM590 (excluding power supply)

Radeon HD 6570 power requirement 60W (GDDR5) or 44W (DDR3). So, you can use 12V/75W or 12V/80W AC adpater.

External monitor requirement is depend on your notebook specification. Please post your notebook model/brand & specification.

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post Oct 17 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 01:22 PM)
PE4H kit = USD91 + USD22 (postage) = RM360
ATiAMD Radeon HD 6570 = RM230
Total = RM590 (excluding power supply)

Radeon HD 6570 power requirement 60W (GDDR5) or 44W (DDR3). So, you can use 12V/75W or 12V/80W AC adpater.

External monitor requirement is depend on your notebook specification. Please post your notebook model/brand & specification.
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Model:Acer Aspire 4743
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CPU:Intel i3-380M
RAM:4GB DDR3
GPU:Based(Intel HD Graphic)
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Your Aspire 4743 have Intel HD Graphics iGPU. So, I recommend getting a Nvidia desktop graphic card, e.g. GTS450 1GB GDDR5 (RM380). With combination of Intel HD Graphics & Nvidia Fermi desktop graphic card, you can do x1.Opt setup where Opt=Optimus. Optimus provide PCIe data compression which will boost performance over PCIe x1 link. With x1.Opt, you don't need external monitor. However, using external monitor will almost double the performance because monitor is directly connected to the graphic card.

Since your notebook doesn't have ExpressCard slot, you'll need to use the mPCIe port. Aspire 4743 schematic show that it have two mPCIe ports where one is occupied by wireless card. The PE4H kit you'll need is "PE4H-PM3N ver2.4 Package".

EDIT: You also can use "PE4L-PM3N ver1.5 Package" USD71 (RM221) + postage USD22 = USD93 (RM290).

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post Oct 17 2011, 04:04 PM

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ok...so,where i can get PE4H-PM3N ver 2.4?does lowyat shop e.g compuzone sell that item?
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You will need to buy it from Taiwan (on the website I gave you). Payment using PayPal.
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post Oct 17 2011, 06:22 PM

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using Paypal?hmmm...i dont have credit card...so how to pay it?
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No need credit card to open PayPal account. You can register PayPal account for free. You can topup your PayPal account using your bank account.
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ok...but one more thing....what type of power supply are suitable for GTS 450?can i use Power Logic 450W power supply for GTS 450?
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post Oct 17 2011, 07:07 PM

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^ more than enough bro. hmm.gif
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post Oct 17 2011, 07:22 PM

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tq very much...so...im going to order PE4L-PM3N ver 1.5 package...and how long i have to wait to get this thing after order it?
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After order they will ship the package in 5 working days. Usually it will take one week to arrived.

GTS450 power requirement is 106W. So, you can use 120W 12v 10A AC adapter. Will need to do little rewiring like this (for the 6-pin PCIe connector):-
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It more compact than ATX PSU.

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ok..tq...
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nick93,

Please post screenshot of the Device Manager. Set view to Resources by connection, then expand the Memory tree & take the screenshot. I need to check the TOLUD value on your notebook.
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First PCI Bus (with 8 digits memory address) is 0xC0000000 which means TOLUD is 3GB. With TOLUD equal or lower than 3.25GB, you will be able to use 4GB+ RAM with DIY eGPU.

*TOLUD is acronym for Top of Low Used DRAM Register. TOLUD defined available PCI space & usable system memory.

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 08:58 PM)
First PCI Bus (with 8 digits memory address) is 0xC0000000 which means TOLUD is 3GB. With TOLUD equal or lower than 3.25GB, you will be able to use 4GB+ RAM with DIY eGPU.

*TOLUD is acronym for Top of Low Used DRAM Register. TOLUD defined available PCI space & usable system memory.
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so...i can use eGPU or what?
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You should be able to use eGPU. I only checked whether TOLUD will be a problem or not.

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im trying to fund and look for a vidock. (Not DIY Vidock). I prefer the whole thing being cramped into a box which looks pretty neat....

but cant seem to find it in Malaysia

and i think the price is expensive without the gpu
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@nick93,

Just a reminder. DIY eGPU implementation on some notebook can be quite challenging. I have seen a few people give up. I will try my best to help you.

@wilsonphua,

The cheapest Villagetronic Vidock is USD199. For that kind of money, you will expected some sort of support from them but unfortunately, from where I see, they not doing very good job on this subject. They also provide instruction referencing the DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software which actually in violation of the license terms of that software. Anyway, iiee is selling his Vidock 4+ here.

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ok..but i dont know how to setup DIY Vidock on my laptop...it looks like complicated when i look at your pic...
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 11:38 PM)
@nick93,

Just a reminder. DIY eGPU implementation on some notebook can be quite challenging. I have seen a few people give up. I will try my best to help you.

@wilsonphua,

The cheapest Villagetronic Vidock is USD199. For that kind of money, you will expected some sort of support from them but unfortunately, from where I see, they not doing very good job on this subject. They also provide instruction referencing the DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software which actually in violation of the license terms of that software. Anyway, iiee is selling his Vidock 4+ here.
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i know that thread...but its quite old already and i think he already sold it
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nick93,

Familiarize with the connections. PE4L-PM3N ver 1.5 package have:-
  1. PE4L
    • This board is where you plugged in the graphic card. Interfaces - PCIe x1, USB 2.0, floppy power plug, AC plug & mini-HDMI port.
  2. PM3N
    • This is mPCIe card.
  3. PCIEMM-060A
    • This is mini-HDMI cable. This is use to connect the PM3N to PE4L.
      user posted image
    • This show the PM3N card is connected to mPCIe port (sorry, picture a bit blurry):-
      user posted image
  4. SWEX
    • This is ATX PSU power-on switch. Connect the PSU 24-pin to this.
      user posted image
Connect the floppy power connector from PSU to PE4L board (red circle). The PCIe x1 (blue circle) is where you connect the graphic card.
user posted image

GTS450 required one 6-pin PCIe power connector. This picture show the 6-pin PCIe power connector from PSU connected to graphic card (in your case only one).
user posted image


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i know that thread...but its quite old already and i think he already sold it
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Did you asked the seller? As far as I know, it is still available.

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post Oct 18 2011, 10:26 AM

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@kizwan...paypal said i need to link my credit card before make a purchase but i dont have any credit card and i already topup in my paypal account RM290...so how to paypal chechout without link credit card into my paypal account?

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@nick93,

This is common. You just register today, so the account is limited. I don't remember whether my account also limited or not after registering mine (earlier this year) because I didn't buy anything immediately. I only start buying using PayPal after a couple of months later. I don't have credit card too. Please wait, I'm asking my friend. He also got the same issue. Can you see the money in your PayPal account? You topup to USD currency, right?

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 18 2011, 01:16 PM)
@nick93,

This is common. You just register today, so the account is limited. I don't remember whether my account also limited or not after registering mine (earlier this year) because I didn't buy anything immediately. I only start buying using PayPal after a couple of months later. I don't have credit card too. Please wait, I'm asking my friend. He also got the same issue. Can you see the money in your PayPal account? You topup to USD currency, right?
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no..in malaysia currency..how to convert it?i need to buy immedietly coz in middle november..my class will start...so i dont have much time to wait a couple month... sad.gif
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You need to add USD currency in your PayPal account. When topup, you should choose USD currency because you're going to buy the product in USD. sad.gif

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already change it but no enough..hahaha...i need more 3 dollars...
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(NOTE: Please disabled popup blocker.) When topup, make sure to choose USD, enter the amount & click "Recalculate" to see the total in RM. After topup, you should see the money in your PayPal account (instant transfer) in USD currency:-
user posted image

This is how to buy the kit from BPlus (www.HWTools.net) - click the Buy button/image:-
user posted image

Review the amount & checkout using PayPal:-
user posted image

Regarding the PayPal asking you to link the credit card, my friend also got the same thing. I think your account still limited. Maybe need to wait a couple of days before you can use your account. I already asked my friend how long he wait until he can use his account. I'm still waiting his reply.

Using PayPal account is easy. Your account probably not cleared yet. Wait for several days.

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but money does not enough...in my account is $90.77....
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Because you topup to RM first then convert to USD. That is why it is advisable to topup straight to USD. You need to topup again until enough. smile.gif Also make sure you put correct home address in your PayPal account.

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 18 2011, 03:07 PM)
Because you topup to RM first then convert to USD. That is why it is advisable to topup straight to USD. You need to topup again until enough. smile.gif Also make sure you put correct home address in your PayPal account.
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alahai....thats mean i need to withdraw and topup it again...so have to wait 2-3 business day.... cry.gif cry.gif
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You didn't use the online topup?
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only mol point....not paypal...
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alahai....thats mean i need to withdraw and topup it again...so have to wait 2-3 business day.... cry.gif  cry.gif
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No need to withdraw the money from your PayPal account. Only need to add more money until the total is at least USD 93.

Please explain how you use mol point to topup PayPal.

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no...im topup using my bank account...but mol point same with paypal....if topup....minimum is RM50 OR USD50...but im only need USD3...i hope after 2-3 days i can use paypal without limit....btw....thank a lot bcoz helping me on this issue...i will follow your instruction to setup eGPU...and i will post my laptop with eGPU pic after i get all that stuff....thank you again biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Added on October 19, 2011, 6:30 pm@kizwan

how long i have to wait until i can use my paypal?

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@nick93,

I'm not sure. I'm still waiting reply from my friend.
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do you know who want to sell second hand PE4H/PE4L kit in this forum?i already found one person but he already sell it...
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@nick93,

I don't know what is wrong with your account. I think you'll need to call PayPal & explain the problem. Just say you want to buy product using PayPal balance, not credit card.
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its ok...i already link my debit card....one question..did pe4l-pm3n package come with mini hdmi or it sold separately?just wondering...
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The mini-HDMI cable is included in the PE4L-PM3N package.

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i interest on it also my laptop spec is
Model:Asus A42D
Spec:
CPU:AMD athlon II 2cores P320 2.1G
RAM:2GB DDR3
GPU:ATI RADEON HD 5470 1GB
anyone can help or i direct look out vidock GC?
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QUOTE(lawtm @ Oct 30 2011, 10:54 PM)
i interest on it also my laptop spec is
Model:Asus A42D
Spec:
CPU:AMD athlon II 2cores P320 2.1G
RAM:2GB DDR3
GPU:ATI RADEON HD 5470 1GB
anyone can help or i direct look out vidock GC?
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Your notebook doesn't have ExpressCard slot & most probably only have one mPCIe slot. So, you won't get good performance from eGPU since you can only do x1 link setup. Only with x2 or x1.Opt (Opt = with Optimus) will deliver good performance. x2 link required two mPCIe ports or [ExpressCard + mPCIe] with either these combination [PCIe port#1 & port#2] OR [PCIe port#3 & port#4] OR [PCIe port#5 & port#6]. x1.Opt (with Nvidia Fermi desktop graphic card) required either only one mPCIe port or ExpressCard slot with the notebook must have either Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics or Intel HD 3000. Opt=Optimus provide PCIe data compression which will boost performance over PCIe x1 link. In term of performance; x1.Opt > x2.

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hi i would like to know my laptop is applicable..
Model = Sony Cw 28
CPU = Intel Core i5 M 520 Processor
GPU = Nvidia GT 330m
RAM = 4gb ddr3
I have ExpressCard Slot i think


Added on November 14, 2011, 4:02 amowh.. im wondering if it can be in my laptop screen instead of getting a monitor


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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 01:22 PM)
PE4H kit = USD91 + USD22 (postage) = RM360
ATiAMD Radeon HD 6570 = RM230
Total = RM590 (excluding power supply)

Radeon HD 6570 power requirement 60W (GDDR5) or 44W (DDR3). So, you can use 12V/75W or 12V/80W AC adpater.

External monitor requirement is depend on your notebook specification. Please post your notebook model/brand & specification.
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I have a Toshiba M900, can you help me out please?
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QUOTE(santagirl @ Nov 14 2011, 03:57 AM)
hi i would like to know my laptop is applicable..
Model = Sony Cw 28
CPU = Intel Core i5 M 520 Processor
GPU = Nvidia GT 330m
RAM = 4gb ddr3
I have ExpressCard Slot i think


Added on November 14, 2011, 4:02 amowh.. im wondering if it can be in my laptop screen instead of getting a monitor
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I have a Toshiba M900, can you help me out please?
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What is the full specification? Does it have switchable graphics? I can only see both notebook have discrete graphic card but they are not useful for eGPU.

The reason why I asked for switchable graphics because if your notebook have it, then your notebook have either active Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics. If your notebook have any of the Intel GPU then you will be able to utilized ~80% of Nvidia Fermi graphic card performance on your notebook & you will be able to get acceleration on internal LCD. Of course, you will have much better performance if you use external monitor.

If your notebook have 34mm/54mm ExpressCard slot, that will be good too because you can connect eGPU via ExpressCard slot.

If your notebook don't have the Intel GPU I mentioned earlier, then you can't utilized eGPU unless if your notebook can do x2 link setup. x2 link setup will require connecting eGPU to two PCIe ports, either two mPCIe ports or ExpressCard+mPCIe. x2 only possible with either of these PCIe ports arrangement:-
- PCIe port#1 & #2
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- PCIe port#3 & #4
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- PCIe port#5 & #6
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@kizwan, ah crap I have a nvidea geforce 310M, and I do not have PCIe ports only have an expresscard 54... This means I wont be able to use an eGPU?
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You can use eGPU using mPCIe port. I'm sure at least one mPCIe port available on your notebook.

Now, since your notebook doesn't have active Intel HD Graphics, to get best performance from eGPU, you need to do x2 link setup. Your next task is to find out how many mPCIe port(s) available.
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mPCIe port is the express card port right, the one tht normally laptops tht have it got some plastic card-like thingy which is inserted into it. If thts the case, I only have one..
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Please take a picture & post it here.

If only one mPCIe port available, then definitely you can't optimized eGPU due to limited bandwidth. Graphic card will perform better with x2 link.

FYI, instead graphic card, you also can connect sound card using this method. You know, if you want to connect desktop sound card to your notebook, like this.

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Please take a picture & post it here.

If only one mPCIe port available, then definitely you can't optimized eGPU due to limited bandwidth. Graphic card will perform better with x2 link.

FYI, instead graphic card, you also can connect sound card using this method. You know, if you want to connect desktop sound card to your notebook, like this.
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Here are all the ports I have, on the other side I have a USB, charger and LAN port. Not ports at the front, back and bottom.

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Did you confirm that is ExpressCard slot? Look bigger though. Can you check mPCIe port? They usually located at the bottom, near RAM/HDD.
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How about acer ferrari one?
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Nah confirmed bottom has no ports at all, and yeah its an expresscard 54 thts why its big... So i guess i wont be able to do it eh
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QUOTE(Swordsmen @ Jan 19 2012, 08:54 AM)
How about acer ferrari one?
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eGPU will work on x1 link only using mPCIe port that currently occupied by Wifi card.
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Nah confirmed bottom has no ports at all, and yeah its an expresscard 54 thts why its big... So i guess i wont be able to do it eh
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Did you open the RAM/HDD compartment? Now we need to find out whether your notebook can do x2 link or not.
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Did you open the RAM/HDD compartment? Now we need to find out whether your notebook can do x2 link or not.


Oh I didn't, so I have to unscrew the little screw and open up the compartment into the HDD eh, alright will do it right now.

EDIT: Oh well no luck, after unscrewing I don't see any ports

user posted image
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So, I have a expresscard slot, HDMI, eSATA, 2 usb, earphone/mic jack... Would any of these be useful though I doubt they are.

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First picture show Wifi card connected to mPCIe port. Please check in AIDA64 what is the PCIe port number for Wifi card.

BTW, check out post #15 in this thread:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=45078530
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This is what I got from AIDA64, I suppose that the "empty" port is the one ExpressCard one. Does this mean I have to remove my wifi card in order to perform a x2 link? Sorry for being such a newbie keep asking questions, I'm really new to all these computer stuff... Really appreciate your help.

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Please see "PCIe x2 link" requirement at post #15: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=45078530

Your Wireless card is at PCIe port#2. This show, x2 link setup is not possible on your notebook because card reader is at PCIe port#1 & it's integrated (not removable). Even if ExpressCard is at PCIe port #3 or port#4, x2 link is not applicable on your notebook.

This confirm you can only do x1 link setup. eGPU will not be able to perform best on your notebook.

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Ahh, thr goes all my hope in an eGPU...

EDIT: Why does it have to be in proper numbers tho, eh 1,2 3,4 5,6

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Because that is how Intel design the chipset. It's explained in chipset datasheets.
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kizwan, can my laptop handle egpu?

this is my spec
Compaq CQ36-110tx
-2.26 GHz Intel Core i5-430M
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4550 switchable
-1 ExpressCard/34 slot

and how many TOLUD do i have? Attached Image

anybody here with this laptop had done this? thank you.
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QUOTE(afif900 @ Feb 20 2012, 04:08 AM)
kizwan, can my laptop handle egpu?

this is my spec
Compaq CQ36-110tx
-2.26 GHz Intel Core i5-430M
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4550 switchable
-1 ExpressCard/34 slot

and how many TOLUD do i have? Attached Image

anybody here with this laptop had done this? thank you.
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Have u actually read the previous posts? It has specified how to identify the mPCI-E Port on ur laptop and whether will it support or not.
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QUOTE(afif900 @ Feb 20 2012, 04:08 AM)
kizwan, can my laptop handle egpu?

this is my spec
Compaq CQ36-110tx
-2.26 GHz Intel Core i5-430M
-ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4550 switchable
-1 ExpressCard/34 slot

and how many TOLUD do i have? Attached Image

anybody here with this laptop had done this? thank you.
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Your notebook have switchable graphics (Intel HD Graphics + ATI Mobility Radeon HD 4550)? If your notebook have active Intel HD Graphics, then you can do x1.Opt setup using Nvidia Fermi desktop graphic card. Since your notebook have ExpressCard slot, you can use PE4L-EC2C (or here). If you buy from Harmonic Inversion (HIT), you'll get free copy of eGPU Setup 1.x software.

x1.Opt is referring to Optimus setup. This setup required active Intel HD Graphics & Nvidia Fermi desktop graphic card. Optimus provide PCIe data compression which boost performance via PCIe x1 link. In addition to acceleration support on internal LCD, you will get better performance when using external monitor.

According to your screenshot, first PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is 0xC0000000. This means TOLUD is 3GB. So, you can use eGPU with 4GB or more RAM.
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laptop had become desktop!! but good effort anyway
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oMG!! can't wait to try this..but first i need to collect some money first...thank you Kizwan!
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any where to get this locally? shop? thanks
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hi kizwan, can my laptop handle egpu?
Model = Dell Studio 1555
CPU = Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8600 2.4GHz
GPU = 512MB Ati Radeon 4570 (discreet with the Mobo)
RAM = 3gb
I have ExpressCard Slot 34mm
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QUOTE(benjaminl133 @ Apr 12 2012, 11:40 AM)
hi kizwan, can my laptop handle egpu?
Model = Dell Studio 1555
CPU = Intel Core 2 Duo processor P8600 2.4GHz
GPU = 512MB Ati Radeon 4570 (discreet with the Mobo)
RAM = 3gb
I have ExpressCard Slot 34mm
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Yes. In fact, your notebook support x2 link setup.

This is screenshot of PCIe ports when eGPU is connected to ExpressCard slot (PCIe port 4):-
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment...es-untitled.png

This is screenshot of PCIe ports after moving wireless card to another empty mPCIe port (PCIe port 3):-
http://forum.notebookreview.com/attachment...s-port3open.png

So, you can do x2 link setup using PCIe port 3 (mPCIe port) + PCIe port 4 (ExpressCard). You also can do x2 link setup using WWAN port (PCIe port 1) + WLAN port (PCIe port 2).

I believe Dell Studio 1555 PCIe ports arrangement is similar to Dell Studio 1557/1558. See my eGPU setup.
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Hi Kizwan,
thanks for the advice smile.gif

which u recommend to connect with is more easier and faster?
i scare it will lag and alot other complication as studio 1555 spec is lower than 1557/1558

i would like to connect with ati 6850 graphic card- what is the watt power supply require? izzit 500w

i need your help to provide me the link or prescription onto which to buy
don't wana spend money onto part that not necessary

is the setup and installation difficult?
i can't find any ppl post on youtube EGPU how to setup step by step

what i understand is from PCIE 16x adaptor connect to graphic card ->Connect the GPU to the ExpressCard ->Get a PSU powering your graphics card
is this step correct? will it auto configure to port 3?

i don't know how to configure it to
port 3 (mPCIe port) +

what is the next step after plugin from express slot to notebook,
do i need to install any driver?
hmph alot to learn
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Depend on the games. Some games required a lot of bandwidth while some are not. Considering your notebook specification, with x2 link setup, eGPU will perform roughly 80% from their actual performance.

HD 6850 TDP is 127W. TDP is not the actual graphic processor power consumption. Usually the actual power consumption is lower than TDP. However, power consumption can easily exceed TDP when you overclock & running power virus; Furmark is one of the example of power virus. It is not actually a virus but they're called by that name because of they can make GPU to consumed a lot of power than regular use. So, we can use TDP as our guideline when choosing power supply. For TDP 127W, you can use 130W - 140W AC adapter but you'll need to modified the connector because GPU use 6-pin/8-pin PCIe power connector(s). ATX PSU is recommended for eGPU.

For TDP 127W: (127W * 10%) + 127W = 139.7W
Calculated with 10% margin, the power supply you looking for can supply at least ~140W on the +12V lane. On the PSU, there is a sticker with writing on it where you should see +12V, +5V, etc. Look for the amperage (current) value for +12V.
140W / 12V = ~12A
So, the PSU should have at least 12A on +12V lane.

Look like you need PE4H + two PM3N or PE4H + EC2C (ExpressCard) + PM3N. You also need to buy two cables (default package only come with one cable).

I like to think eGPU is for enthusiast; who like to see what their notebook can do.

Your notebook should be able to boot with eGPU connected. I mean, connect everything, power ON eGPU & power ON notebook. Then you just need to install the graphic card driver. For x2 link setup, you will need to buy DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software ( http://forum.notebookreview.com/6295529-post641.html ).

Before you proceed, you will need to identify the PCIe ports. Install AIDA64. Go to Motherboard >> Chipset >> "South Bridge". Look where your WLAN device (broadcom) is connected to. Write down the PCIe port number. Then shutdown your notebook & open the HDD/memory compartment. Look for empty mPCIe port(s). Moved the WLAN card to another mPCIe port(s), boot your notebook & check in AIDA64 the PCIe port number for the WLAN card now. This process is important because you will know the PCIe port numbers for all of the mPCIe port(s). Remember for x2 link, you will need either PCIe port 1 + port 2 OR PCIe port 3 + port 4.

Again, this is for enthusiast. It can be difficult & overwhelming for some people.
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is this PSU work?
got the link from

http://www.mudah.my/NEW+20+Pin+24+Pin+ATX+...PSU-8010058.htm

shall i go to this link to buy
http://www.hwtools.net/adapter/pe4h.html

Unit price: USD 91 -> it come with
PE4H (PCIe passive adapter Ver2.4) x1
EC2C x 1
PCIEMM-060A x 1
External 5V/12V power supply cable x1
SWEX (ATX Power Supply Power-On Switch Ver1.1)

Can i follow as per below link?
Guide how to make it: http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-co...-adaptor-915616


Added on April 13, 2012, 1:31 pm=.= almost faint
need to purchase alot of stuff

DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software
oops need to pay USD$25

would you share with me the software 4.3MB smile.gif


Added on April 13, 2012, 1:32 pm=.= almost faint
need to purchase alot of stuff

DIY eGPU Setup 1.x software
oops need to pay USD$25

would you share with me the software 4.3MB smile.gif
do you use msn can i add you ?


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hello bros want to confirm if my laptop can support eGPU... chances is i can only do mpcie x1 coz i don't have slot...
my specs is as follow
Model: Asus X42jr
Processor: intel i7 Q740 @ 1.73
Ram: 4gb
Gpu: Ati Radeon Mobility HD 5470
OS: Windows 7 Home x64

no idea how to determine switchable graphics and etc.... any help would be greatly appreciated... main reason for doing is because the only thing that is killing my laptop is the GPU others are all performing quite reasonable for todays standard along my requirement..... just need the GPU boost to do some gaming on my free time rather than paying thru my nose for a new rig which i can't spend alot of time on....

thanks in advance !
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Your notebook have Intel i7 740QM which means your notebook doesn't have switchable graphics. So, the only way to get better performance from eGPU is you'll need to do x2 link setup. However, I believe your notebook doesn't have ExpressCard slot & it only have one mPCIe port. So, x2 link setup is not possible because it needs two mPCIe ports OR ExpressCard+mPCIe.
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I roughly know bout that and willing to reposition/disable wifi for that purpose... I saw on another website someone did it with the same laptop but the post is very old.
I can barely cope with low settings on mmo games ~_~
This is the only option to prolong my laptops lifespan lol!
Pls advice smile.gif
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Hi Kizwan.
firstly thank you very very much for your explanation. Yours solved all of my questions at once. So much better than all other explanation about PCIe.

but still i have some questions that i can't find out.
I am using dell xps 1645 and have these values for my PCIe.

PCI Express Controller
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #1 Empty
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #2 In Use @ x1 (Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200 AGN [8086-422C] [NoDB])
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #4 Empty
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #5 In Use @ x1 (Ricoh PCI-E Memory Stick Host Controller, Ricoh PCI-E SD Bus Host Adapter)
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #6 In Use @ x1 (Broadcom NetLink BCM5784M PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller)

You said that we have to use #1 & #2 or #3 & #4 etc.. to use x2 links right?
but according to the values of my computer, 3# does not show up. Is that express card slot? and Why can not i use #1 and #3 (if this is express card slot) to do x2 link?

Oh and
Can I use any graphic cards such as gtx 580, 570 or other good ones better than gtx 560, if i have a good enough PSU?
the reason why i ask you is that most of people left the review with gtx560, and have not seen anyone using better ones than that.. so i doubt that there is limit for the eGPU.

Thank you so much again!
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No one can advice more?
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QUOTE(jamiedha @ Apr 22 2012, 11:30 AM)
Hi Kizwan.
firstly thank you very very much for your explanation. Yours solved all of my questions at once. So much better than all other explanation about PCIe.

but still i have some questions that i can't find out.
I am using dell xps 1645  and have these values for my PCIe.

PCI Express Controller
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #1 Empty
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #2 In Use @ x1  (Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200 AGN [8086-422C] [NoDB])
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #4 Empty
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #5 In Use @ x1  (Ricoh PCI-E Memory Stick Host Controller, Ricoh PCI-E SD Bus Host Adapter)
PCI-E 2.0 x1 port #6 In Use @ x1  (Broadcom NetLink BCM5784M PCI-E Gigabit Ethernet Controller)

You said that we have to use #1 & #2  or #3 & #4 etc.. to use x2 links right?
but according to the values of my computer, 3# does not show up. Is that express card slot? and Why can not i use #1 and #3 (if this is express card slot) to do x2 link?

Oh and
Can I use any graphic cards such as gtx 580, 570 or other good ones better than gtx 560, if i have a good enough PSU?
the reason why i ask you is that most of people left the review with gtx560, and have not seen anyone using better ones than that.. so i doubt that there is limit for the eGPU.

Thank you so much again!
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Sorry for replying late. I'm super super busy lately.

First thing you need to know about the AIDA64 report on the PCIe ports is it only report enabled PCIe ports. Second thing you need to know is, even though the PCIe ports are listed in AIDA64, it doesn't means they are physically available. Referring to your notebook PCIe ports layout, for sure you can't use PCIe port #5 & PCIe port #6 because these are integrated devices, you can't disconnect them.

The reason why PCIe port #3 is not listed are because it is disabled. To determine whether PCIe port #3 is available or not, you can moved the wireless card to another available mPCIe port(s) & check again in AIDA64 where your wireless card is appeared now. Write down the PCIe port number for that mPCIe port. The rule x2 link setup only possible using PCIe port #1 + #2 or PCIe port #3 + #4 or PCIe port #5 + #6 are according to Intel chipset datasheets. It already proved to be true & only applied to Intel chipsets. BTW, ExpressCard slot is at PCIe port #4 according to this post. That guy is connected eGPU (ATI Radeon HD 6950) to ExpressCard slot.

You can use any graphic card you want. Just remember, base on the notebook specification, you can do x2 link setup. There will be two cables running from underneath your notebook but it will give much better performance than x1 link setup using only ExpressCard slot.
QUOTE(Rakozes @ Apr 23 2012, 09:37 AM)
No one can advice more?
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Like I said in my previous post, only x2 link or x1.Opt setup can deliver better performance. x1.Opt setup is not possible on your notebook because your notebook doesn't have Intel HD Graphics iGPU. Also, it is unlikely you can do x2 link setup either because your notebook is likely only have one mPCIe port. Please read this post for more information:-
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=45078530
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do the setup is complicated?

watch the wire in the pic really make me sick
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do the setup is complicated?

watch the wire in the pic really make me sick
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thank you so much ! smile.gif


Added on April 26, 2012, 3:39 pmHI. I actually have one more question.
Im buying N570GTX Twin Frozr III Power Edition/OC which requires around 480W. Then, would any PSU over 500W be good enough to run it?
Oh also Which one do you recommend me to use 560, 560ti, or 570?

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Hi all, very nice thread!!

I'm trying to figure out if a x2-setup or 1xE would be possible for system: acer aspire 5738ZG.

When opening the bottom cover I can see two mpci-e ports. As I swapped my wifi card (from p2) it showed up on p3.
My understanding is that I can't use p2+p3 for a x2 setup?

Since p3 are free, maybe a 1xE could be done if p4 is empty (and physically connected)?
What is/could be the advantage of x1E over 1x and how do I implement it?

Thanks in advance.
Regards,

/Niclas

EDIT: If x1E would be possible on port3, would that force p1 to be x2 which would disable p2 (where my wifi is connected)?

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Sorry for replying late.

Because of design (Intel chipset) limitation, you can't do x2 link setup with p2+p3. You can do x1E setup using ATI or older Nvidia desktop GPU. Nvidia GT(S/X) 4xxx & onwards unable to take this advantage. Also because design limitation, when you enabled x1E on p3, p2 also disabled. Which means you can't use wifi when eGPU is connected.
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Okay.
I have an Acer aspire 5732Z

Intel T4500 processor

Intel GMA4500M GPU

4GB RAM

Windows 7 64bit

Graphics rig:

PE4H 2.4a + PM3N

Zotac Geforce 210 Synergy edition 1GB DDR3

I plug everything in and get 3 green lights on the PE4H and a green and a red light on the PM3N in the mini PCI port that the wireless card used to use.
If I start the pc with the whole rig plugged in, the PC doesn't start up at all. I get a black screen and the laptop just doesn't do anything.
If I plug it in after I have started up the PC, all the lights come on correctly and the card gets a bit warm, so I know it is receiving power, but the computer does not find the card. Even if I go into the device manager, searching for new hardware does not work.

What can I do?
I have no idea why it isn't finding the card.

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Sep 3 2011, 02:46 PM)
Usually, even with low TOLUD, you can get Error 12 in Device Manager since the PCI space are, let say, scattered. For this, you can do PCI compaction using eGPU Setup 1.x. USD 25 license fee will be impose if you use eGPU Setup 1.x software with eGPU kit from any supplier other than HIT (Harmonic Inversion Tech).
Kizwan,

I've tried to purchase PE4H (& the included DIY Setup 1.x) from Harmonic Inversion Technology, but it seems they don't ship to Malaysia. Is there any other way to get the Setup 1.x software?

My experience with the Harmonic Inversion:
1. I registered
2. I added PE4H to my cart
3. I clicked "check out"
4. I selected shipping address to Malaysia, and then I clicked "next"
5. In the select shipping method step, no shipping method listed in the page
6. I couldn't proceed further

Later, I tested by using false address in USA. In the select shipping method step, several shipping methods are listed there. I concluded that HIT doesn't ship to Malaysia.

What should I do?

Regards,

Haris
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Did you try contact them via phone or email? Most likely they will help you. Alternatively you can buy from www.hwtools.net from Taiwan but Setup 1.x is not included. Then you need to buy Setup 1.x from HIT for USD$25.
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Sep 1 2012, 12:21 AM)
Did you try contact them via phone or email? Most likely they will help you. Alternatively you can buy from www.hwtools.net from Taiwan but Setup 1.x is not included. Then you need to buy Setup 1.x from HIT for USD$25.
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No, I haven't called them since I can't speak English fluently. However, I've already sent them 2 e-mails, but they haven't replied yet. sad.gif
I notice I can buy PE4H somewhere else, but it's the included setup 1.x that makes me "sticks" with HIT. From where did you get your copy of setup 1.x?

Regards,

Haris
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Hmmm, just want to ask It's Y480 can be use this thing since it got switchable graphic which is HD4000 + GT650M?
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QUOTE(harissahlan @ Sep 1 2012, 03:42 AM)
No, I haven't called them since I can't speak English fluently. However, I've already sent them 2 e-mails, but they haven't replied yet. sad.gif 
I notice I can buy PE4H somewhere else, but it's the included setup 1.x that makes me "sticks" with HIT. From where did you get your copy of setup 1.x?

Regards,

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I got it while it was free back then. That is old version. The newer version have all bugs fixed & have a lot of improvement. Try contact nando4, see if you can get a coupon code (discount) for Setup 1.x.

QUOTE(sss2sssss @ Sep 1 2012, 10:28 AM)
Hmmm, just want to ask It's Y480 can be use this thing since it got switchable graphic which is HD4000 + GT650M?
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Yes, theoretically you can. Please go to DIY eGPU Experience forum for more information & to get better help.
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Sep 3 2011, 02:46 PM)
eGPU Configurations
A. PCIe x1 link.
This setup only require one PCIe x1 port. This can be either mPCIe port or ExpressCard (34mm/54mm) slot. There are two flavors of PCIe x1 link setup:-





  1. Raw PCIe x1 link setup.
    Any notebooks can support this setup. However, eGPU will perform worst on any pre-Sandy Bridge (SB) notebooks with this setup. This is because of the PCIe x1 bandwidth on pre-SB notebooks is only 2.5Gb/s at each direction (5Gb/s concurrent). eGPU will perform better on SB notebooks because PCIe x1 link speed is 5Gb/s at each direction (10Gb/s concurrent). However, SB notebooks can only utilized this using newer PE4L v2.0 or PE4H v3.0 which will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).


  2. PCIe x1 + Optimus = x1.Opt or x1.2Opt
    Opt=Optimus will provide PCIe data compression which boost performance over PCIe x1 link. Optimus only possible if your notebook have either active Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics or Intel HD 3000 or Intel GMA x3150 (e.g. Asus Eee PC 1015PEM netbook) iGPU. Combination with either of these iGPU & Nvidia Fermi (Nvidia GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx & above) desktop graphic card, you will be able to do x1.Opt setup. x1.Opt will provide way better performance than raw PCIe x1 link setup. It's equivalent to PCIe x2 link setup & on certain games, way better. You also will be able to get acceleration on internal LCD but the performance will almost half because graphic card need to transmit the frames through PCIe x1 link, the same link which notebook use to transmit data to eGPU for processing. The PCIe data compression provided by Optimus will reduced/eliminate any lags during gaming. You will get full performance if using external monitor (~80% compared to desktop).

    SB notebooks chipset support PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s x1 link. The performance is equivalent to PCIe 2.5Gb/s x4 link. The PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s compliant kit will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).


B. PCIe x2 link.
This setup require two PCIe x1 ports. This can be either combination of ExpressCard + mPCIe slot OR two mPCIe ports. x2 link setup only possible with either of these combinations:-





  1. PCIe port#1 & port#2.
    OR


  2. PCIe port#3 & port#4.
    OR


  3. PCIe port#5 & port#6.


You can use AIDA64 software to check the PCIe port numbers, for example:-
user posted image

Remember, the PCIe port(s) that is/are reported "Empty" doesn't means they are available physically. You need to check them yourself. mPCIe port(s) usually located at the bottom of your notebook, in HDD/RAM compartment. For ExpressCard slot, you need to connect, for example, ExpressCard to eSATA/USB adapater to know the ExpressCard PCIe port number.

This is an example of x2 link connections; PCIe port#1 (WWAN) & port#2 (WLAN):-
user posted image
This setup provide performance equivalent to x1.Opt setup, except the internal LCD support/acceleration. External monitor is a must for this setup since notebook doesn't have compatible iGPU to project frames to internal LCD. You can use either ATiAMD or Nvidia graphic card for this setup.

C. PCIe x4 link.
This is rare setup. This setup require 4 PCIe x1 ports; PCIe port#1 + port#2 + port#3 + port #4 OR PCIe port#5 + port#6 + port#7 + port #8. Only some notebooks have PCIe ports arrangement that can support this setup, e.g. Dell Studio XPS 1645.
NOTE: x2 & x4 link setup are not possible on SB notebooks due to hardware/BIOS limitation.
ExpressCard (34mm/54mm)
(Source: www.expresscard.org)
Comparison between CardBus & ExpressCard. Only ExpressCard useful for eGPU.
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user posted image
eGPU vs. PCI space
eGPU will require 256MB of PCI space for it to work. TOLUD register defined available PCI space on notebooks. On some notebooks, TOLUD register is set too high which means there is not enough PCI space for eGPU. In this situation, the only way you can get eGPU to work is by reducing RAM to 2GB/3GB of RAM. With more RAM, eGPU will be detected but with Error 12 in Device Manager. To know the value set in TOLUD register, you can use Device Manager; set View to "Resources by connection" & expand the Memory tree; like this:-
user posted image

The first PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is what you're looking for. In the above example, the firs PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is 0xA8000000. The calculation is simple:-
0xA8000000 = 2818572288 (dec) bytes = 2818572288 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 2.625 GB

As long as TOLUD is equal or lower than 3.25 GB, you will have no problem using eGPU & 4GB or more RAM. You can use this table for quick calculation:-



  • E0000000 = 3.5 GB


  • D0000000 = 3.25 GB


  • C0000000 = 3 GB


  • B0000000 = 2.75 GB


  • A0000000 = 2.5 GB


Usually, even with low TOLUD, you can get Error 12 in Device Manager since the PCI space are, let say, scattered. For this, you can do PCI compaction using eGPU Setup 1.x. USD 25 license fee will be impose if you use eGPU Setup 1.x software with eGPU kit from any supplier other than HIT (Harmonic Inversion Tech).

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You can easily supercharged the ULV processor using ThrottleStop.

Anyway, kimchoo DIY eGPU setup is x1 link with Optimus which is better than PCIe x2 setup. With PCIe x2 setup the eGPU will perform roughly 80% from it actual capability. There is several video on youtube. You'd be surprise how well it perform on PCIe x2 or PCIe x1.Opt (with optimus).
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Added on October 12, 2012, 4:08 pmwhere can i get 1.2 opt


Added on October 12, 2012, 5:27 pmi mean diy egpu setup 1.x


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can i doing this with my asus a53s series?
i really want to do this smile.gif
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Here is a link for this type of product but by going through Thunderbolt port rather than Expresscard slot (which is limited by the PCIe x 1 bandwidth).

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/pci-ex...rbolt,3263.html

Problem is of course there aren't lots of laptop with thunderbolt port.
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 08:00 PM)
nick93,

Please post screenshot of the Device Manager. Set view to Resources by connection, then expand the Memory tree & take the screenshot. I need to check the TOLUD value on your notebook.
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can u check my TOLUD value? icon_question.gif
i don't understand what u mean by first 8 digits memory address tongue.gif

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QUOTE(kamkemkimkom @ Oct 14 2012, 12:10 PM)
can i doing this with my asus a53s series?
i really want to do this  smile.gif
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QUOTE(kizwan @ Sep 3 2011, 02:46 PM)
eGPU Configurations
A. PCIe x1 link.
This setup only require one PCIe x1 port. This can be either mPCIe port or ExpressCard (34mm/54mm) slot. There are two flavors of PCIe x1 link setup:-

  1. Raw PCIe x1 link setup.
    Any notebooks can support this setup. However, eGPU will perform worst on any pre-Sandy Bridge (SB) notebooks with this setup. This is because of the PCIe x1 bandwidth on pre-SB notebooks is only 2.5Gb/s at each direction (5Gb/s concurrent). eGPU will perform better on SB notebooks because PCIe x1 link speed is 5Gb/s at each direction (10Gb/s concurrent). However, SB notebooks can only utilized this using newer PE4L v2.0 or PE4H v3.0 which will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
  2. PCIe x1 + Optimus = x1.Opt or x1.2Opt
    Opt=Optimus will provide PCIe data compression which boost performance over PCIe x1 link. Optimus only possible if your notebook have either active Intel GMA 4500MHD or Intel HD Graphics or Intel HD 3000 or Intel GMA x3150 (e.g. Asus Eee PC 1015PEM netbook) iGPU. Combination with either of these iGPU & Nvidia Fermi (Nvidia GT4xx, GTS4xx, GTX4xx & above) desktop graphic card, you will be able to do x1.Opt setup. x1.Opt will provide way better performance than raw PCIe x1 link setup. It's equivalent to PCIe x2 link setup & on certain games, way better. You also will be able to get acceleration on internal LCD but the performance will almost half because graphic card need to transmit the frames through PCIe x1 link, the same link which notebook use to transmit data to eGPU for processing. The PCIe data compression provided by Optimus will reduced/eliminate any lags during gaming. You will get full performance if using external monitor (~80% compared to desktop).

    SB notebooks chipset support PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s x1 link. The performance is equivalent to PCIe 2.5Gb/s x4 link. The PCIe 2.0 5Gb/s compliant kit will be available soon (Jan/Feb 2012).
B. PCIe x2 link.
This setup require two PCIe x1 ports. This can be either combination of ExpressCard + mPCIe slot OR two mPCIe ports. x2 link setup only possible with either of these combinations:-

  1. PCIe port#1 & port#2.
    OR
  2. PCIe port#3 & port#4.
    OR
  3. PCIe port#5 & port#6.
You can use AIDA64 software to check the PCIe port numbers, for example:-
user posted image

Remember, the PCIe port(s) that is/are reported "Empty" doesn't means they are available physically. You need to check them yourself. mPCIe port(s) usually located at the bottom of your notebook, in HDD/RAM compartment. For ExpressCard slot, you need to connect, for example, ExpressCard to eSATA/USB adapater to know the ExpressCard PCIe port number.

This is an example of x2 link connections; PCIe port#1 (WWAN) & port#2 (WLAN):-
user posted image
This setup provide performance equivalent to x1.Opt setup, except the internal LCD support/acceleration. External monitor is a must for this setup since notebook doesn't have compatible iGPU to project frames to internal LCD. You can use either ATiAMD or Nvidia graphic card for this setup.

C. PCIe x4 link.
This is rare setup. This setup require 4 PCIe x1 ports; PCIe port#1 + port#2 + port#3 + port #4 OR PCIe port#5 + port#6 + port#7 + port #8. Only some notebooks have PCIe ports arrangement that can support this setup, e.g. Dell Studio XPS 1645.
NOTE: x2 & x4 link setup are not possible on SB notebooks due to hardware/BIOS limitation.
ExpressCard (34mm/54mm)
(Source: www.expresscard.org)
Comparison between CardBus & ExpressCard. Only ExpressCard useful for eGPU.
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eGPU vs. PCI space
eGPU will require 256MB of PCI space for it to work. TOLUD register defined available PCI space on notebooks. On some notebooks, TOLUD register is set too high which means there is not enough PCI space for eGPU. In this situation, the only way you can get eGPU to work is by reducing RAM to 2GB/3GB of RAM. With more RAM, eGPU will be detected but with Error 12 in Device Manager. To know the value set in TOLUD register, you can use Device Manager; set View to "Resources by connection" & expand the Memory tree; like this:-
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The first PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is what you're looking for. In the above example, the firs PCI bus with 8 digits memory address is 0xA8000000. The calculation is simple:-
0xA8000000 = 2818572288 (dec) bytes = 2818572288 / 1024 / 1024 / 1024 = 2.625 GB

As long as TOLUD is equal or lower than 3.25 GB, you will have no problem using eGPU & 4GB or more RAM. You can use this table for quick calculation:-

  • E0000000 = 3.5 GB
  • D0000000 = 3.25 GB
  • C0000000 = 3 GB
  • B0000000 = 2.75 GB
  • A0000000 = 2.5 GB
Usually, even with low TOLUD, you can get Error 12 in Device Manager since the PCI space are, let say, scattered. For this, you can do PCI compaction using eGPU Setup 1.x. USD 25 license fee will be impose if you use eGPU Setup 1.x software with eGPU kit from any supplier other than HIT (Harmonic Inversion Tech).

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You can easily supercharged the ULV processor using ThrottleStop.

Anyway, kimchoo DIY eGPU setup is x1 link with Optimus which is better than PCIe x2 setup. With PCIe x2 setup the eGPU will perform roughly 80% from it actual capability. There is several video on youtube. You'd be surprise how well it perform on PCIe x2 or PCIe x1.Opt (with optimus).
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sorry kizwan i really dont understand on how to determine which type pe4H to buy and which type of egpu to configured.
and how to determine the TOLUD.

Acer Aspire 4750G
6gb RAM (upgraded)
i5 2410M
gt 520m with intel HD graphics


Fakhril99
post Apr 11 2013, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(kizwan @ Oct 17 2011, 01:22 PM)
PE4H kit = USD91 + USD22 (postage) = RM360
ATiAMD Radeon HD 6570 = RM230
Total = RM590 (excluding power supply)

Radeon HD 6570 power requirement 60W (GDDR5) or 44W (DDR3). So, you can use 12V/75W or 12V/80W AC adpater.

External monitor requirement is depend on your notebook specification. Please post your notebook model/brand & specification.
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CPU - Intel Core i3-2370
RAM - 4.0gb
GPU - Intel® HD Graphics 3000
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post Apr 22 2013, 04:26 PM

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Sorry guys. I'm not active with eGPU project at the moment, almost one year now.

Fakhril99, I recommend using eGPU if your notebook have either express card slot or thunderbolt port. If not you will have to use the mini-PCIe slot which is not convenience. Express card slot or thunderbolt port would allow you to disconnect/connect eGPU without extra effort.
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post Apr 22 2013, 10:28 PM

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@ http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2784293
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post Jun 6 2013, 02:26 PM

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Let us make this thread active again

I have intergrated gpu,


Aida64:

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Will it work? I also have Express card port, which would you recommend? Express card or mPCIe?

I don't mind about the wireless card because I can use my USB wifi modem which can get more signal notworthy.gif
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post Mar 4 2014, 06:04 AM

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Hello all, and thanx all the comunity forum.

I have this one:

Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E330 i3-3120/4GB/500GB/13.3" updated >> Lenovo Thinkpad Edge E330 i7-3612QM/8GB/250GB SSD/13.3"
Corsair GS700
Ati Sapphire HD 5850

I think I need PE4L-PM060A or PE4H-PM3N-060B (the PE4L is cheaper), I don´t know if I´m right. The PE4L is the best option in my opinion.

I read a lot of guides, I´m a little confused with a lot of material, manuals, etc.

This is the service manual show can connect msata and wan in pcie port, i dont sure if is posible conect the PE4L-PM060A in this port without remove the original WIFI card.

http://download.lenovo.com/ibmdl/pub/pc/pc..._0b48602_04.pdf (page 69)

Is this a option too?

http://eshop.sintech.cn/laptop-mini-pcie-t...vete-p-948.html

Thanx a lot, and sorry my inglish, I´m spanish.
danialzaidi
post Jun 26 2014, 11:05 PM

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Hello guys,

I have a PE4L-060A to let go, anyone?

Still in very good condition.
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after reading this i am thinking i can bring back to life some of the older notebooks with i7 processors but only have integrated graphics brows.gif
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post May 14 2016, 08:06 AM

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hi , it works on MSI GT60 2QD ? im looking for thunderbolt dock one ..

 

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