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post Nov 30 2010, 05:59 PM


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What they should do is:

BREAK THE MONOPOLY FOR ALL LANDLINE CONNECTIONS!
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post Nov 30 2010, 06:00 PM


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like hell our opinion matters
being able to monopoly this industry, they can do anything they want...
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post Nov 30 2010, 06:19 PM


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They getting more and more user why can't increase their bandwidth purchase?

The corruption and degeneration is there. As long as corruptionist still there, we can't do anything.
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post Nov 30 2010, 06:22 PM


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if singapore small country can afford competition, i dont see why a monopoly on copper and fiber optic local loop is good for this country,...

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post Nov 30 2010, 07:00 PM


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Even in Australia they are not happy with broadband caps.

Caps on broadband use are holding us back


While I absolutely detest the use of the phrase "there is no free lunch" especially when it's being used to justify daylight robbery, I do agree with what the author above says - paying for bandwidth is fine. Getting gouged for it is another matter.

Not everyone is a 24/7 downloader, torrenter and the sort. Some are also using bandwidth for their small business, telecommuting, home office et cetera. If you are going to gouge them just for trying to make a living I don't see how the rakyat or the economy of these people are being helped.

Sure there is the Unifi BIZ 5 package, but is it available everywhere? You know the answer.

A limit of 175 - 200GB for the top Streamyx package and less than RM 1 for each additional gigabyte is fair and sane. This is 2010 and not 1990. Bandwidth costs should be going down, not up.
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post Nov 30 2010, 08:23 PM


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wow i got the official response.

you guys are not going to like it.

i'm still digesting it. standby.

From the office of Izlyn Ramli, VP of Corporate Comms.

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Telekom Malaysia Bhd ™ wishes to clarify on our Fair Usage Policy (FUP) and address several comments in the blogosphere on allegations of a  ‘hard cap’ for international bandwidth being enforced by TM.

Firstly, we apologise for the inconvenience that our customers are currently facing on our internet services.

We would like to assure all our customers that it is not, in any way TM’s intention to enforce any ‘hard caps’ on our customers.

As a matter of principle, however, TM needs to abide by a FUP to ensure that the network caters to all customers in a fair manner, and this has been in place for a few years for Streamyx which is a contended, best effort service. This means the Streamyx network is catered to be shared by everybody at any point in time to ensure everybody gets a “fair share” of the bandwidth. Currently UniFi is not affected, as it is a new premium service.

The Streamyx “Fair Usage Policy” is available on our website (http://www.streamyx.com/customer_care/customer_care.php?id=customer_care_fair_usage_policy) and it basically describes the list of specific heavy usage activities (like P2P and gaming) that will be managed during peak periods.

As you all know, this kind of bandwidth management or FUP is a global and common telco and celco industry practice. It is already in place in Malaysia amongst the mobile broadband players and aimed at making sure our broadband service is fast and reliable whenever in use.  It is designed to benefit all users, especially normal or non-heavy users during peak periods, so that all can enjoy higher and fair browsing and surfing speed.

In general, TM’s FUP and implementation is aimed at providing an optimum internet experience to all Streamyx customers by rationalising the internet speed during peak periods (3pm – 1am).

Of late, our traffic profiles are changing quite rapidly, and we are noticing that network congestion can hit different parts of the country at different times of the day or week. When congestion hits, depending on the usage patterns, customers subscribing to the same package but generating different traffic patterns may experience different levels of service performance.

In an effort to ensure a fair distribution of resources amongst all customers at all times, whenever congestion occurs, TM’s network is able to calculate how many users are active at any given time and allocate dynamically the resources across all customers with active sessions.

In rare cases of heavy congestion, we ensure that no customers may get below a minimum threshold of international bandwidth, but there is no ‘ceiling’ to the bandwidth each customer can get.

The problems some customer are experiencing now may have stemmed post a successful pilot of a new traffic management model we ran a few months before, following which we went nationwide about 3 weeks ago. Clearly there is room for improvement and we are working hard to resolve this.

As dynamic allocation of bandwidth requires some specific settings that need to be fine tuned area by area, we elicit and welcome feedback on the experience in different parts of the country at different times of the day. We have set up a special email account where you can send your readings for our review: impact@tm.com.my effective 1 December 2010.

From our analysis, the current traffic patterns are, for most part, in line with our expectations on traffic management, and the speeds being delivered should suffice for a smooth internet experience.

Where the internet experience falls short, we will further investigate both individual cases and the service in its entirety to address specific concerns that they may be facing, and will respond to these customers directly.

Rest assured, TM takes note of all customer feedback to continuously ensure improved customer experience end-to-end.

From a market communications perspective, the FUP awareness campaign is already ongoing and we will further clarify as to the rules we are implementing – and why.

In fact, a bloggers briefing has already been scheduled for 17 December post our engagement with LYN and Kambingz earlier. About 40-50 selected bloggers will be invited to represent the wider blogger community to keep them abreast with our efforts to improve service delivery and customer experience overall, and to seek constructive feedback on these efforts. We hope to address, or at least start to address many concerns at this forum.

We thank you for your continuous feedback and ask for your kind understanding and patience as we work to deliver on our commitment to service quality and overall customer experience.

TELEKOM MALAYSIA BHD



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post Nov 30 2010, 08:34 PM


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QUOTE(Tentris @ Nov 30 2010, 08:23 PM)
wow i got the official response.

you guys are not going to like it.

i'm still digesting it. standby.
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All the more reason to drag TM to consumer Tribunal. They like banks like to think they can get away with anything using disclaimers. I assure this is not the truth. Parking lots and credit card bank have many disclaimers and many are not applicable when challenged in court.

Anybody gonna send reports to impact@tm.com.my ? Maybe cc to mcmc too?

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post Nov 30 2010, 08:50 PM


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another load of excuses to save cost and not increase national bandwidth.

we pay for our service eg 1mb and i think we should get 1mb (or close to it) 24-7 should we choose to do so.

dont give us crap like peak hours everyone slows down. collect money from all individuals but dont wanna invest in infrastructure to cater for additional customers.

suckers we are.. monopoly situation. i just saw the billboard, 1.4 million users can't be wrong... well, maybe we are... yes we are...

malaysian consumers always at the losing end.
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post Nov 30 2010, 09:00 PM


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guys, read the post carefully, look between the lines.

they deployed a traffic management program in the last couple of weeks.

the program basically failed and instead of helping distribute the available bandwidth equally across all users, especially during peak hours, it is throttling everyone on a consistent and widespread basis which is exactly not what was intended.

e.g.

during peak hours, there are 200 users sharing 100MB of bandwidth speed.

the program is supposed to give each user 0.5MB, right?

the program has bugged out and is giving everyone 0.1MB of speed instead, and "reserving" the remaining 50MB of speed unused.

All the grief has been a huge bug, completely unintentional. They are trying to give everyone a good service by evenly distributing the available bandwidth, but they ended up accidentally screwing everyone up.

I have spoken to them directly, and i've suggested a rollback; undo the program they deployed, and take it back for further testing before sending it out again.

It worked during their testing and pilot, but obviously once its out in the open, it fails.

All of this isn't a big conspiracy or whatever, its just a plain old fashion mistake.

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QUOTE(Tentris @ Nov 30 2010, 09:00 PM)
guys, read the post carefully, look between the lines.

they deployed a traffic management program in the last couple of weeks.

the program basically failed and instead of helping distribute the available bandwidth equally across all users, especially during peak hours, it is throttling everyone on a consistent and widespread basis which is exactly not what was intended.

e.g.

during peak hours, there are 500 users sharing 100MB of bandwidth speed.

the program is supposed to give each user 0.5MB, right?

the program has bugged out and is giving everyone 0.1MB of speed instead, and "reserving" the remaining 50MB of speed unused.

All the grief has been a huge bug, completely unintentional. They are trying to give everyone a good service by evenly distributing the available bandwidth, but they ended up accidentally screwing everyone up.

I have spoken to them directly, and i've suggested a rollback; undo the program they deployed, and take it back for further testing before sending it out again.

It worked during their testing and pilot, but obviously once its out in the open, it fails.

All of this isn't a big conspiracy or whatever, its just a plain old fashion mistake.
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Can we ask for rebates because of this bug that has made all of us suffer for more then a week?
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post Nov 30 2010, 09:03 PM


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unlimited but got FUP
false advertising!
wjy not not put full msg or only FUP???
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post Nov 30 2010, 09:05 PM


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Then they should have announce it instead of leaving us to wonder what is going on and give us a date as to when it will be resolved before we cave their heads in.
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QUOTE(Tentris @ Nov 30 2010, 09:00 PM)
guys, read the post carefully, look between the lines.

they deployed a traffic management program in the last couple of weeks.

the program basically failed and instead of helping distribute the available bandwidth equally across all users, especially during peak hours, it is throttling everyone on a consistent and widespread basis which is exactly not what was intended.

e.g.

during peak hours, there are 200 users sharing 100MB of bandwidth speed.

the program is supposed to give each user 0.5MB, right?

the program has bugged out and is giving everyone 0.1MB of speed instead, and "reserving" the remaining 50MB of speed unused.

All the grief has been a huge bug, completely unintentional. They are trying to give everyone a good service by evenly distributing the available bandwidth, but they ended up accidentally screwing everyone up.

I have spoken to them directly, and i've suggested a rollback; undo the program they deployed, and take it back for further testing before sending it out again.

It worked during their testing and pilot, but obviously once its out in the open, it fails.

All of this isn't a big conspiracy or whatever, its just a plain old fashion mistake.
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There is no bug, they mentioned that its been successful and they are going to keep it. Let me quote you the relevant sections.

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The problems some customer are experiencing now may have stemmed post a successful pilot of a new traffic management model we ran a few months before, following which we went nationwide about 3 weeks ago. Clearly there is room for improvement and we are working hard to resolve this.

They mentioned its successful, and then instead of saying "error", "mistake" or "bug" they said "room for improvement", which means its working for them and they just need to tweak it a little. This is further backed up in the writing where it says.

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From our analysis, the current traffic patterns are, for most part, in line with our expectations on traffic management, and the speeds being delivered should suffice for a smooth internet experience.

There you go, this sort of throttling is what they expect.

Its so easy to read between the lines to see what they're really saying, anyone need me to dissect it out line by line?
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post Nov 30 2010, 09:09 PM


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This response from TM really dissapointing. Why cant they just announce that they are doing a test instead of secretly conducting it? Why are they so scared to announce it?
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This response from TM really dissapointing. Why cant they just announce that they are doing a test instead of secretly conducting it? Why are they so scared to announce it?
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Because they are afraid people will sue them for capping download speeds.
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QUOTE(ButanicaBanzai @ Nov 30 2010, 09:09 PM)
This response from TM really dissapointing. Why cant they just announce that they are doing a test instead of secretly conducting it? Why are they so scared to announce it?
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Their argument is that they did announce it with the existence of the FUP.

The FUP, they argue, gives the right to do whatever they want to control traffic.

Does Petronas tell you when they change the type of pumps they use at the petrol stations? of course not. same thing here apparently.
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My goodness what a wordy reply with lots of corporate babble.

So even if they implement the FUP properly I'll have no clue what speeds I'm going to get at any given time. This isn't considered reliable anymore, instead this is unpredictable.

I'm going to say this again... how to run a business in this country?


"Kau tak suka sila keluar?" ... and they continue to wonder about the brain drain.... smile.gif
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i will say apply FUP on peak hour on certain file will be more reason able.

So every one get their reason able speed and Downloader still can download at minimum speed w/o burden other user.
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QUOTE(Tentris @ Nov 30 2010, 09:11 PM)
Their argument is that they did announce it with the existence of the FUP.

The FUP, they argue, gives the right to do whatever they want to control traffic.

Does Petronas tell you when they change the type of pumps they use at the petrol stations? of course not. same thing here apparently.
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At 1.85/liter, with RM 18.50 do you get 10 litres one day, and 2 litres the next, whether they use the latest pump or scoop it with a bucket?
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Well, at least we manage to force them to response I guess
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