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TSmeiiseenei
post Apr 23 2010, 04:59 PM, updated 6y ago

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Hi,

I'm a Malaysian student in The Netherlands and am enjoying it! Are there others around as well?

Not many people are aware that many 'big' international companies such as Shell, Unilever, Philips, ING etc. are actually Dutch.

Education here is definitely hands-on and you not only learn theory, you also learn how to apply it. Holland is relatively new to Malaysians but it's really starting to get popular. Why not differentiate yourself from Australian/American/ UK graduates?

Benefits:

i) very practical, you learn a lot of soft skills
ii) get experience with companies
iii) great student body, very international yet close at my school
iv) open people, English is widely spoken
v) central location, cheap flights to cities like London (bought once for 20 euro,return! sometimes can get for 5 euro...), Prague, Rome etc.
vi) study grants provided by some schools
vii) can start after SPM for certain courses (4-year courses. No use taking certain diplomas/SAM/Pre-U etc as you may not get exemptions)
viii) safe, very low crime rate

and particularly attractive for some Malaysians:

as a graduate from a Dutch uni, you are allowed to stay an additional 1 year to look for a job after graduation.

Cons:

i) no 2+1, 3+1, 2+2 or whatever available yet.
ii) Limited availability of English programmes
iii) Not many Malaysians here (this could be a pro as well!)

If you're already studying in NL or are interested in studying in NL, do leave a message here/PM me:)

Information on scholarships and courses can be found here: Nuffic

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Mar 2 2011, 04:29 PM
imsushi92
post Apr 23 2010, 05:52 PM

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is lowyat a showing off place?
TSmeiiseenei
post Apr 23 2010, 06:09 PM

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Er.. if you post in the Apple Iphone section, are you showing off?

The Netherlands is not a popular place for Malaysians yet so if people are studying there, it's nice to know there are other Malaysians around. Likewise, if someone is not aware of The Netherlands, they can actually ask questions here.

As I said, price-wise, it's similiar to Australia, maybe even cheaper. All-in expenses (tuition, living costs, rent, books, entertainment etc.) is about 10 000 euro.

I still don't see how I'm showing off. I'm funding my education by MYSELF. My parents do not contribute a single sen towards my tertiary education (which I don't mind as they are old and it's my choice to study abroad).
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post Apr 23 2010, 06:12 PM

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so, which uni are u studying ? what course are u doing ? whats the medium of instruction ?
TSmeiiseenei
post Apr 23 2010, 06:19 PM

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Hey Ultraman,

I'm a student at Arnhem Business School. It has a pretty good business programme. The IBMS (International Business Management Studies) is ranked at #1 for something like the 6th time already, but the others (Communication, Logistics, Finance & Accounting and Human Resources) are pretty good as well).

Medium of instruction is English.

Student population: +- 50% Dutch, 25% German, 10% Chinese, 15% everything else (I'm the only Malaysian at my school but another will be starting in September).

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 23 2010, 06:19 PM
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post Apr 23 2010, 06:33 PM

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are u scholared? compare to uk, is it expensive?
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post Apr 23 2010, 06:34 PM

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Yah, other European countries are good alternatives. However, one must be able to secure employment in Europe after graduation otherwise the investment is lost. Many of these European schools are good but they are hardly recognised outside of their respective countries/EU, so if you can't find a job and return to Malaysia or go elsewhere to work, you're pretty much screwed. This is particularly true if you're doing programs in business/commerce.

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post Apr 23 2010, 06:42 PM

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I believe TS is just here trying to offer some help. And at the same time promoting the education there.
Come'on. cut him some slack.
I think he has gone thru alot esp since he's funding his tertiary education in oversea himself.
If he's showing off like u said, then let him be. Besides, to be able to self-fund is not easy.
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post Apr 23 2010, 06:46 PM

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kasutdidi: Compared to UK, much cheaper. I think UK is about 15 000 pounds per year. Non-EU students at my school pay about 10 000 euro (this is for an average quality of life). Some students share a room and spend less.

feynman: It might be harder to get an interview in Malaysia as employers are not familiar with Dutch degrees (I think Dutch companies should be quite open to it, though!) but I'm pretty sure that once an interview is secured, a Dutch educated student will have no problems in getting the job (Dutch schools emphasize a lot on soft skills).

Once someone has worked in NL, there's a possibility of working in the UK/Belgium/other European countries without visa issues as well. After 5 years with a work permit (maybe less, not sure if years spent studying will be counted), a foreigner will receive PR for the entire EU. Can also apply for citizenship lah but have to give up your Malaysian passport lor.


Added on April 23, 2010, 6:55 pm
QUOTE(imsushi92 @ Apr 23 2010, 06:37 PM)
another show-offs, i wonder why malaysian that went abroad becomes so full of themselves. why cant you go to netherland or stuff website to see if there is a malaysian society or so.
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Ever thought of the possibility that there is NO Malaysian society as Holland is not popular with the Malaysian market yet?

Look kiddo, I AM proud I am funding the study by myself. You have no right to make me feel bad about that.

Now, please go do something constructive with your time.

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post Apr 23 2010, 06:57 PM

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how did you figure to study there? are you scholared?

how near is sweden and holland? and really in english ah? i tought all dutch conducted
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post Apr 23 2010, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(meiiseenei @ Apr 23 2010, 06:46 PM)
feynman: It might be harder to get an interview in Malaysia as employers are not familiar with Dutch degrees (I think Dutch companies should be quite open to it, though!) but I'm pretty sure that once an interview is secured, a Dutch educated student will have no problems in getting the job (Dutch schools emphasize a lot on soft skills).

Once someone has worked in NL, there's a possibility of working in the UK/Belgium/other European countries without visa issues as well. After 5 years with a work permit (maybe less, not sure if years spent studying will be counted), a foreigner will receive PR for the entire EU. Can also apply for citizenship lah but have to give up your Malaysian passport lor.
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Yeah, maybe but nothing is certain in the interview. We can't say because one is education in the low countries one will get a job. That's illogical. Not just Malaysia, if you go to any other country, you will encounter the same problems when applying for jobs. You might not even get called for an interview because you are from a relatively unknown university. That's why I said, it is very important that you find a job in Europe after graduation, otherwise it will be difficult to find a job that you want elsewhere. Once you break into Europe, then you are safe. As mid-career job hunts are way easier if you have the experience and have been working in Europe. You would have perfect mobility in Europe and can quite easily find jobs in HK or maybe North America. The crucial part is at the start of one's career.


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post Apr 23 2010, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(kasutdidi @ Apr 23 2010, 06:57 PM)
how did you figure to study there? are you scholared?

how near is sweden and holland? and really in english ah? i tought all dutch conducted
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Well, actually, it was because my boyfriend is Dutch. I am not an excellent student, just average. I do receive a small student grant. At my school, non-EU students can get a small tuition grant (ie. tuition for 2010 is 6500 euro but students only need to pay 4000 euro, if they receive the necessary amount of credits lah but it's not hard).

Yes, it's in English. Some courses are only available in Dutch la. It depends on which course you are interested in. My school recently started teaching Automotive Engineering in English but don't know about the standard. Life Sciences is partnered with Universiti Malaya if I'm not wrong.

Sweden and Holland are not faraway (About 2 hours flight, 40 euro with Ryanair) but considered different part of Europe lah. Holland is in Western Europe, Sweden is in Scandinavia. Policy-wise similiar though. Holland is also a country with mannnnyy socialist policies;) Holland's direct neighbours are Germany and Belgium. Capital of The Netherlands is Amsterdam.


Added on April 23, 2010, 7:12 pm
QUOTE(feynman @ Apr 23 2010, 07:02 PM)
Yeah, maybe but nothing is certain in the interview. We can't say because one is education in the low countries one will get a job. That's illogical. Not just Malaysia, if you go to any other country, you will encounter the same problems when applying for jobs. You might not even get called for an interview because you are from a relatively unknown university. That's why I said, it is very important that you find a job in Europe after graduation, otherwise it will be difficult to find a job that you want elsewhere. Once you break into Europe, then you are safe. As mid-career job hunts are way easier if you have the experience and have been working in Europe. You would have perfect mobility in Europe and can quite easily find jobs in HK or maybe North America. The crucial part is at the start of one's career.
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Yup, agreed. I am going to do my internship in Europe and hopefully Dutch employers will want to hire me when I graduate.

This post has been edited by meiiseenei: Apr 23 2010, 07:12 PM
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post Apr 23 2010, 07:21 PM

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how did u get a place ? did u do a-level? your bf is a dutch? u mean since u in malaysia u already knew him?

i wish to go sweden. but still duno leh. no scholar. no money oh laugh.gif
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post Apr 23 2010, 07:29 PM

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Place is not hard to get. This is typical in European countries. Getting in is not hard as the policy is everyone deserves an education ,provided they have the necessary qualifications (in this case, means either an STPM or SPM cert lah).

The hard part is not quitting or getting kicked out. If you don't receive the necessary amount of credits, you WILL get kicked out (although someone I know hired a lawyer last semester and he managed to get in again...). My class of 33 lost 10 students in the first year. Out of about 270 students, only about 60 received all their credits within the first year. That sounds more difficult than it is but actually, it's nothing la. Malaysians shouldn't have a problem due to the different studying cultures.

Sweden's cool as well. My school exchanges with a few unis there (study abroad is required in the 3rd year. Lasts 4-6 months).

Yalah, money is always an issue. I worked as a maid (okla, not really maid but almost) for 2 years to help fund my studies

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post Apr 23 2010, 07:40 PM

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Sweden used to be free but no longer. But still affordable.
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post Apr 23 2010, 07:46 PM

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hah? u mean a maid back in malaysia ah? man, that's cool u know. that's never a job anyone should jocking of. btw easy only, house chores only. but u really sure few months working as a maid enough to fund ur flight ticket?

yah i know getting a place not that hard compared to our ipta which is very much limited places. because few friends already got their places abroad. just that scholar still sangkut, they need to wait until they get money to fund theirselves kot. where do u best suggest i go find money ah? rob bank also in my list u know thumbup.gif

credits as in the cgpa? that bad ah?
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post Apr 23 2010, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(kasutdidi @ Apr 23 2010, 07:46 PM)
hah? u mean a maid back in malaysia ah? man, that's cool u know. that's never a job anyone should jocking of. btw easy only, house chores only. but u really sure few months working as a maid enough to fund ur flight ticket?

yah i know getting a place not that hard compared to our ipta which is very much limited places. because few friends already got their places abroad. just that scholar still sangkut, they need to wait until they get money to fund theirselves kot. where do u best suggest i go find money ah? rob bank also in my list u know  thumbup.gif

credits as in the cgpa? that bad ah?
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Haha crazy, maid in Malaysia.. No way! Don't think can save any money hahaha plus can you imagine the abuse I would get...

I worked as a nanny in The Netherlands (and I still do it part-time). It's enough for me to pay my tuition and most of my living expenses. It's not easy to get a high wage but luckily my employer liked me and increased my pay to 12 euro an hour (which is more than Dutch people get) just for 1 child and zero housework (in fact, they cook for me! Can I just add that there is veryyy little/no hierachy in The Netherlands?). Really wonderful people and I am very lucky to have met them.

Frankly, I don't know how you can manage to save money hmm. Perhaps PTPTN loan? If you have amazing results, a scholarship might be possible. If you really plan on funding yourself and will receive no help, you definitely need to work full-time for a year or 2...

Credits is a unit of a study la. For example, Economics = 4 credits etc. (all depends on your school etc.)

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post Apr 24 2010, 12:17 AM

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come on...TS is just trying to share her experience in studying in Holland. What's wrong with you? >< Anyway, it is a cheaper destination as compared to countries like Aus/UK. When u meant 10k euro, is it per year?
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QUOTE(imsushi92 @ Apr 24 2010, 12:02 AM)
i just find you this kind of ppl super arrogant and dont know how to be humble, sigh, you make the world a worse place
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I just find you annoying. You butthurt is it? People got chance to go overseas, you don't have so you go on a trolling rampage ah? You actually make the world a shittier place.

Cannot meh? I'm also overseas, earn more money than you, know more people than you. You are poor so know your role and do what poor people do best. In chinese, 做下人。别吵。


QUOTE(Tom Welling @ Apr 24 2010, 12:17 AM)
come on...TS is just trying to share her experience in studying in Holland. What's wrong with you? >< Anyway, it is a cheaper destination as compared to countries like Aus/UK. When u meant 10k euro, is it per year?
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It's usually the case for all European countries barring the UK and Ireland. Fees range from 5k to 15k, depending on what you do and where you do it. The living cost however will be quite high. Most would ballpark 1k per month.
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Hey there smile.gif

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