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read the article here lo .

This post has been edited by Geminist: Nov 20 2009, 03:24 AM

good try for fresh, oz can get exp more from young..

lol.

If my father is a millionaire, I wouldnt understand the value of money as I do now and thus I would not know how to earn it and make it grow.

But i do have to agree with one thing, insurance companies do provide excellent training when it comes to marketing.

Another choice would be to join marketing/advertising companies. Some MLM companies also provide excellent marketing training.

This post has been edited by tineagle: Nov 19 2009, 02:55 PM

That's the 'Virtue in Poverty' type of thinking. I don't buy that mentality anymore; I was born poor. I was lucky enough to grow up with people from both ends of the financial spectrum. There are people born rich do business well; 1 example- you know him as the hubby of Melania Knauss. There are people born poor that do business well, there are also people born rich who do business bad (the one you have in mind) and there are those born poor who do business bad.

yes, what one does in his/her life is entirely up to the individual regardless of origin.

What I meant was that the way a rich man appreciates the value compared to a the way a poor man does is different.

How will you know what you are missing if you have had it all this while? This is the rational I am going with in my statement, and can be applied for many other aspects of life as well.

star1982,

That is a lame way to promote your blog in this forum. There is a rule here that doesn't allow members to promote or advertise anything in this forum. If you genuinely have a good piece of information to share, please do post the whole article here and not redirecting people to your blog/site.

This post has been edited by Geminist: Nov 20 2009, 03:24 AM

Well its not a requirement to become wealthy/success in biz oneself just that your upbringing will dictate how you enjoy the wealth. If I don't know Im missing something and life is pretty good, then I guess that life works. For myself after given the chance to travel out of country for work and education, I see there is a difference in thinking and viewset compared to others who stay at 1 place. Others who stay at 1 place (say Msia) seems to be content and happy where they are. Do they (or you) know what you are missing? Does it even bother you if don't know that you don't know? Usually no, because you don't know. But it doesn't make much diffference since they (or you) live a grateful life.

I've been to longhouses, kampung, small towns, towns, and big cities. Each of the families or people I spend time with are generally comfortable where they are. People still fall in love, do their best to earn their piece of life, and have good fun among friends. Though we can sometimes see difference in lifestyle (that we can 'improve') I think imposing our beliefs of how it 'should' go, its not the way.

indeed, excellent marketing training.

which goes as far as:

Friend = money, vice versa

network = money vice versa

i see a lot of mlm friends loose their lifetime buddies within weeks.

This post has been edited by ahnien: Nov 19 2009, 11:15 PM

Off topic, but I am certainly glad I am not your friend.

hmm... i offended mlm agents?

he was being sarcastic?

Not at all, I am just being honestly thankful that I don't have friends like tineagle that tells me:

"Nicholas, I am glad to be your friend because friends equals money, and vice versa".

I am just glad to have friends that have stood by me both in poverty and in wealth, that's all.



This post has been edited by Nicholas Chan: Nov 20 2009, 02:14 AM

Nicholas,

Either that, or he is saying something like:

"I'm glad to have you as a friend because I can get the monetary benefits from your friendship".

Things that can't be compared to money are: Family and friends.

ok, ya...but you quoted ahnien, so... you gave him a shock there

most MLMers view their networks as money anyway. hopeless liao

lol?
excuse me, but i never said that.

all i said was that there are MLM companies that provide good marketing training. I wouldn't expect those who have not met such companies to understand.

somehow people have a fixed mindset that mlm = evil

everyone should experience mlm in my oppinion. there is much to be learnt from it, good and bad.

(btw, i am not an mlm agent/member. just sharing my experience and oppinion.)

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Added on November 20, 2009, 9:04 am
honestly, if anyone could loose a 'lifetime buddy' in a matter of weeks, then they weren't much of a friend to begin with.

This post has been edited by tineagle: Nov 20 2009, 09:04 AM

Indeed, just like everyone should touch a bonfire once even though it is historically shown to burn and injure you, or to jump down from KLCC once without a parachute even though it is historically shown to kill anyone who tried that.

If we refuse to learn from the mistakes of the past and call repeated follies as "you never know, you never try", it's the same as saying "doing the same things, expecting to get different results"; that is no difference from insanity.

Finally, I wasn't aware there were no other proper alternatives to learning marketing skillsets, such as doing marketing work in a proper MNC, going through classes, working as a commission agent, be involved in a non-profit events and marketing planning, work with a startup's marketing team, just to name a few of whatever I can pull from the back of my head. Just because one doesn't see beyond one's nose, does not equate to a lack of far-better and relevant alternatives.

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Added on November 20, 2009, 9:11 amOf course, if my buddy refuses to buy my crap, or my mother refuses to bankroll my MLM frontloading goods, they were NEVER EVEN fit to be my friends or family! They refuse to SERVE ME and my selfish, self-serving interests! How dare they!

Wow. I am indeed truly impressed by your logic. Apparently no one can and should get upset by being constantly harassed and annoyed by people whom they give respect and see as friends and family, but in return are just seen as MERE PROSPECTS, meant to be used, dumped and ignored if not.




This post has been edited by Nicholas Chan: Nov 20 2009, 09:11 AM

i do not have to prove my point. clearly you have never experienced it for yourself to understand what i am trying to say, and instead you make hyperbolic references that do not relate to the subject.

you are also just stereotyping the assumption that mlm is bad and bound to fail. it is a business, much like any other business out there and therefore has its own success/failure rate.

besides, i'm not telling people to get into the mlm business. people get to defensive when they hear the word 'mlm' without, more often than not it blinds them from the real message.

I am simply saying, the training you can attain from there, such as knowing how to structure your pitch, using impulse.. etc(much like what you could learn from insurance training or other training) is worth attaining.

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Added on November 20, 2009, 9:18 am
MLM never thought them to do so. They were simply blinded by money and oppurtunity(you'd be surprised what people would do in turn for money).

This greed comes from within themselves, and was not instilled upon by the company what so ever.

If you have had bad experience with mlm-ers, dont whine about it. Again, i am not at all recommending doing the business!

This post has been edited by tineagle: Nov 20 2009, 09:18 AM

You are also assuming I have never been involved in MLM in any form or capacity in my entire life, while I didn't assume ANYTHING you said, rather I quoted off factual examples instead of attacking a person's perceived lack of experience/knowledge.

The entire system of a successful MLM is based on 2 premises, drop-off rate and greed. If you ever structured and executed an actual functioning MLM, you would understand what I mean. A business exists based on profits made off value creation, an MLM exists based on profits made off user greed, ignorance of economics and undue stock movement.

Defensive or annoyed, there is a difference.

Structuring a pitch? Come over to Cradle Fund and I can listen and guide you on your pitch, even if I am not around, there are other mentors that can do so.

Structuring products for impulse buying? Not hard to learn on how to do so by working in any full time marketing/sales role, unless you are telling me a full time job that is focused teaches you less than a half-baked "part time" attempt learning from similarly clueless individuals.

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Added on November 20, 2009, 9:29 amIndeed, so the trainings that I seen and heard in Malaysia (and elsewhere) where people are literally coerced by their "mentor" to call their friends and family in front of them out for "pitching" so as to be courageous, or the instances where people are taught to relate everything in their lives to MLM in mega seminars, all those are not taught; those speakers were merely talking the words family/friends/wealth/health without actually meaning anything.

I don't need to have bad experiences with MLM-ers; let's put it another way, you don't see people speaking bad about technology startups, or tyre shops, or mamak shops, or reload shops, or LAN shops, or import/export companies, or venture capital firms, or logistics companies, or supermarkets AS A WHOLE. Go figure out why.

BTW, quoting factual examples is whining? So what would you call people who cannot put facts together and open their mouth without reason?




This post has been edited by Nicholas Chan: Nov 20 2009, 09:29 AM

funny you never mentioned insurance companies in your list.

insurance agents can be just as annoying or harassing as mlm agents, so does that mean you never buy insurance in your life?

there are so many different businesses out there, and mlm like such is a business. you may not agree with their approach, but the fact remains that they do provide marketing training. and for some people, the chance to attain such training is a chance of a lifetime. To stay in the business or not, is another thing.

Not everyone gets the oppurtunity to be highly educated and be employed in million dollar companies. To individuals as such, their best bet at life in the business world is attaining knowldge for various sources. Having an OPEN mind and approach on things and being able to test and verify for themselves what works best.


i dont know, but i do know what i'd call people who open their mouth accusing people of saying something they did not.