10 years ago we enjoy CS free at CC you will see every server is full 24 hrs 7 days after Sendi Mutiara has take over the business, things start to change. CC are unwilling to forked out addition license fees, as a result they were sued and most have to close down. At the end of the days, many youngster were forced to switch to online or other web games as a result CS wand.

Back in the old days where PLAM ruled, there are many big CS clan mushrooming in Malaysia. But soon, these kids has grown up and are start to blend to society as study and working class. Most clan has disbanded. Remember NBTD, EDTS, SynD, NKAA, Boy3, FMJ, Red, NCT and many more CS clan which faded. Who is killing E-Sport, it is becoming clear what happen when Sendi Mutiara start to mess up with all the CyberCafe like a gangster seeking for protection license fees, they threatened and extort cybercafe owner to pay up the license fees. As a result, most CC find ways to avoid this menace that is to completely remove this game.

There isn't much league happening after FMJ, as most of these leader has quit CS to pursue others interest. The most outrageous thing, there is no CS team to represent Malaysia, which is a shame and is not unexpected. Even Pakistan and Indonesia send some CS team there.

Having a CS team to represent Malaysia is something the CS community can be proud of, but too bad, we are far behind than Singapore. We have the talents but the local authority has denied us our priviledge and rights. We have been denied of alot compare to kids growing up in Singapore. Most of these CS players are chinese, and most of these CC owners are chinese, they see a trend where the CC owners is earning alot from CS, 24 hours and 7 days a week. Sendi Mutiara is an arms or secret police to crushed this. They crushed the CC operator and then these has crushed the local talented kids who frequent the CC to play CS.

In the end, we only have Online CS community but don't have a healthy CS community.

RIP CS.

Hope 2010 we can have a good and healthy CS League back.

I remember scolding a lot of bad words when CS 1.3 no more crosshairs for unzoomed sniper.

Good times.

whats the point of all this? are you encounraging piracy? it wasnt because they wanted to force them in paying licensed fee, its because they started out as a pirate.

look at those cyber cafe that still could survive from that time, thats probably because they started with original? Malaysia was already lucky that most of the time only MS / EA is doing thier job. There is plenty of other software company out there which might be out of reach at the moment.

If you care to spend a little time maybe 10-20mins go to www.steampowered.com & look at the cyber cafe partner licensing program. its shamefull that the whole malaysia only had less than 10 cyber cafe sign up on that. browse to singapore, atleast 100 cyber cafe is sign up for that program, which you know how much times singapore is smaller than malaysia?

it was malaysian's mentality that kill them self, not because ppl force them.

it's obvious what the point of this post was. don't bring your political/race-politics bullsh*t here.

oh btw, cs was still around even after steam was implemented. 2007 was still lively for cs in malaysia. cs started "dying" this year, but not just in malaysia. international companies shut down and tourney's were canceled. must be sendi mutiara's fault eswc shut down.

Life goes on dude, nothing lasts forever.

"it was malaysian's mentality that kill them self"

What is democracy? Give me liberty or give me death. Man are born free.

No doubt having a license is proper, but how can you pay each month to those thugs who don't even do anything, the bosses are visiting massage parlor & spa & driving porsche & mercs & having private jet and living like a king, they are not in the business of developing game or hiring professional to manage it or channelling the funds back to the community by organizing competition, why you must pay them each month? Don't feed the pigs! It is a blessing that Malaysian learn what is best for them. Greed has killed the community and denied our basic rights & priviledge as a human being who deserve equal treatment like any of the kids in developed countries.

Singaporean can afford because their G is smart to channel back the funds they earn from offshore and export back to the nation.

Malaysian can't afford because the G only care abt. its members. As a result March 8th is the karma or fruit in return from the people. What you read on paper and see on tv everyday, these leaders have to convince the Rakyat that they are for all, and that they are 1Malaysia but in actual fact, why do they have to constantly harp about these after 52 years of independence, aren't the Rakyat already knew if they are already that good?

So it has proven they have to use their propaganda to spread lies. And thanks god now, Rakyat realized Dictatorship must not survive but what is happening now to Perak? 1Malaysia 2Perak 3Katak. So there are some group of people who robed Rakyat choice and destroy some democracy up north. What can you do as a human? keep quiet and let watch what is coming next.

This is not politic, and not saying who is right or wrong. Politicians are actor and actress, but the Rakyat is the one who is suffering.

License is good if they channel back the funds to organize event back to promote the gaming community, not pay the license to get few free magazine subscription.

Back in those days, it was so fun to go for various LAN centre and pit against each other. These kind of CC no longer existed, there used to be 4 or 5 up north including IMAX, but now it is all closed. These CC have 100-200 PC, if all is using the original Software and Game License there won't be able to afford to charge customer RM 1-2 per hour which is the market rate now.



This post has been edited by snoxd: Nov 6 2009, 10:56 AM

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Can't believe it you are actually paying for it, why not learn how to fish rather than asking for another man to fish for you?

Long live Malaysian CS!

@snoxd

What the !@#$, since when we started mixing the Malaysian Political scene with the Malaysian Counter-Strike scene.

Dude, just cause you cant hack it out in the real world, dont be finding excuses and phantom menaces to make scapegoats.

If you have time to b**** and whine about how bad things are, on a forum, you obviously aint doing enough. Actions speak louder than words. Your revolution aint gonna start from the bed ...

If Freedom is been denied, freedom to enjoy games such as counterstrike in CC. There is only 1 culprit that is the gangster Sendi Mutiara who has destroyed the community.

When counterstrike training camp is abundance, there are so many CC mushrooming and there are many pro sniper and pro AK born from practice in these training camp. It was so fun with many tournament, and league during the peak day of CS in Malaysia. Some unknown team even beat GBR in one of the occassion.

What happen now, it is fading, most of the talent has switched to something else. For CS to prosper and new pro players to nurture to represent Malaysia, there need to be free access for these in CC. What is the point charging high cost on pretext of license fees? i mean 1 time license to Sierra should be enough, even Microsoft original they pay 1 time license. How the hell, CS for Cyber Cafe must pay every month, this will definitely burden the owner. Many talents are hidden in those village CC unfortunately, these hidden talents no longer can practice or enjoy CS due to their village CC unable to afford every month license fees.

Some pro are odd job workers, after work they head to CC to play CS till morning. Therefore, now these group are been denied the chance.

Where got a company such as Sendi Mutiara charge every month they are not in the business of game developing or software developing, they are merely the instrument to leech and exploit from CC owners. Somehow, it is strange even ORIGINAL MICROSOFT only charged one time license not monthly. What CC owners get are 1 or 2 years free subscription to PC magazines, that's like what value you get in return for paying license fees monthly to Sendi Mutiara so that they don't report you? therefore, is like paying a protection money rather than paying for the license deserved to these game developers.

This is an obvious sin against humanity, against CS community and against Malaysian CS players pro or non pro who have the burning ambition to fly our Jalur Gemilang in WCG2009 to make our country proud. Now what you want to say to Sendi Mutiara! Good job you've done it, everyone pay proper license fees the country is clean, and clean from corruptions, monopolization and exploitation?


This post has been edited by snoxd: Nov 9 2009, 11:29 AM

IINM, Sendi Mutiara are not in charge of the license for CS anymore. e-club is and its part of Valve Cybercafe programme which includes other games as well.

This concept is just a repackage, but the aim and objective is against humanity and against the CS community.

They are diverting the CS in order for them to have a firm grips on the monthly license fees collection. This is a good strategy but is bad for CS community. All talents we have today are been diverted, there will be lack of focus, those outside the valve license scope do not benefit, as they will probably pay for Dota license ONLY. Therefore, CS is basically Dead as not many talents can be groom to replace the retired PRO.

That should explain why there is no established team participate to represent Malaysia in WCG2009 the tradition is been cut off somehow. No new clan after disbanded are willing to fork out money to join as most PRO CS already retired and is on DOTA or other game. All new players focus on Dota as the license for CS not many CC can afford and people who play are not many.

When you ask 10 people whether they play CS 7 years back, probably 7 will said yes but now they play Dota or other online game. Compare to long time ago, the CC is for CS only some has no ADSL, and there are many CS clan organizing competition and many talented or legend were born during those era.

Still remember the Klang Mamak Tournament? PLAM V, NBTD, EDTS, NKAA

Miss those great time which is fading, nobody is doing anything now to see how it crumbles.

I must insisted i do not tolerate piracy but what you call if every month there is fees is this exploitation much worst than piracy? why 1 time license is not available but have to pay every month or every year? is like pool of fund throwing and someone else gaining.

This post has been edited by snoxd: Nov 9 2009, 11:43 AM

Why is it only "against the CS community" if its also implemented for other games? Sendi Mutiara also seems to be nickel and diming the Dota scene as well (More aggressively than the CS one at that)

And what makes you think a one time licensing fee will be cheaper than an ongoing one? If it is indeed one time, it'll probably be exorbitantly high if its to be one-time, which is even more harmful for startup cafes than ongoing fees.

Startup cafe normally have a capital, these cost are amortize over period of time the Cafe existed normally 5 or 7 years. If on monthly you are directly impacting on the overheads which directly impact on the revenue. There are difference between what can be amortize and what can't.

But what if the one-time fee is averaged to cover a monthly fee of 5 years? Isn't that the same thing, except that instead of being able to run a cafe first and then trying to recoup your cost over time, you have to bring forth an insanely huge capital in the beginning?

Also, the Valve program isn't charged per game. Its based on ALL their games and future ones. So, if the fees are charged on a one time basis per game, you'd have to shell out a huge sum everytime a new game comes out.

Bottomline if the amount goes to Valve 100% there is no point to argue, as you are paying for the intellectual the problem is these middle man (cronies) what are they doing? Sometimes it will be disguised as well. Look at how Indonesia can be successful? No doubt Malaysian hired a lot of Indonesia construction workers, and maids, but their RYL community is not messed up like what we have here.

Looks like we should support Singapore so that they can bring pride to SEA.

Counterstrike 1.6 WCG 2009
A Player
Millenium(France) Group Favorite
4glory(Serbia)
parallax(NewZealand)
AEON.gamesense(Singapore)

B Player
PointQualify
Blight.ca(Canada)
EXECUTIONERS(Indonesia)
Firegamers(Brazil)
fnatic(Sweden) Group Favorite
wNv.Cn(China)

C Player
PointQualify
[mTw](Denmark) Group Favorite
PowerGaming(Finland)
Sequential(Australia)
VatosLocos(Greece)
Virtus.pro(Russia)

D Player
PointQualify
DuskBin(HongKong,China)
H2K_Gaming(Sweden) Group Favorite
Protos(Georgia)
XtremeLungiz(Bangladesh)

E Player
Point Qualify
[k23](Kazakhstan)
esq.Wind(Korea(South))
Simplex(Macedonia)
TeG_RO(Romania) Group Favorite

F Player
Point Qualify
Makeway(India)
mousesports(Germany) Group Favorite
SnG_maxigame.by(Belarus)
tp.uSports(Russia)
Turmoil(USA) Group Favorite

G Player
Point Qualify
Again(Poland) Group Favorite
F.azer.Z(Azerbaijan)
Nextlevel(Indonesia)
Tyloo(China)
UMX(ChineseTaipei)

H Player
PointQualify
_u5_(Pakistan)
HellRaisers(Ukraine)
LOH_(UnitedArabEmirates)
NSD(India)
Team_EG(USA) Group Favorite

Look at Singapore Past since 2001
2001
AH_sg
Qing Di Chan
Wei Sian Tan
Muhammad Taufan Putra Johannes
Ji Jia Yeo
Ze Nan Lau

2002
[GBR]Grudg3
Chia Dewei
Tong Gui Yang
Toh Ghim
Hoo Bai Ming
Li Zeng Cong

2003
RageFaction
Ian Wong
GuanChung Lee
Jared Tay
Justin Lim
Billy Low

2004
[GBR]Grudg3
[GBR]Squall_sg Toh Ghim
[GBR]tduck_sg Li Zeng Cong
[GBR]kazuya_(sg) Chia Dewei
[GBR]Monster_sg Kenneth Yeo
[GBR]Randy_sg Randy Lai

2005
Titans
StrykerX Prasad Paramajothi
KarMa Stanley Aw
taufaN Taufan Putra Johanne Muhammad
techducK Zeng Cong Li
Monster Kenneth Yeo

2006
ExsequoR
Spitty Christopher Seaton
Matrix Alvin Tan
Randy Randy Lai
Myztery Daniel Seaton
Xavier Xavier Goh

2007
Titans
Monster Kenneth Yeo
StrykerX Prasad Paramajothi
Randy Randy Lai
Squall Toh Ghim
Kazuya Chia Dewei

2008
ExsequoR
xqRnic nicholas ho
xqRmyztery Daniel Seaton
xqRisac Chua Weijie Isac
xqRzul zul omar
xqRspitty Chris Seaton

2009
AEON.gamesense
alvin tan
Toh Ghim
daryl chua
Lim Jing Jie
Mark Low

In Singapore it is like a CS League where clan are consistent and having some lineup. Once Malaysia also have all these talents even more, if i can recall there was a time when a Malacca clan beat GBR. But the clan is already disbanded this also happen to many old clan. Long time ago if CS has competition at CC in Malaysia like Seremban, GBR will send their team here, and FMJ will also be there to defend the pride of Malaysian.

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Added on November 9, 2009, 5:20 pmSingapore players are pretty consistent participants.

[GBR]Squall_sg Toh Ghim AEON.gamesense 2009
[GBR]Squall_sg Toh Ghim Titans 2007
[GBR]Squall_sg Toh Ghim [GBR]Grudg3 2004
[GBR]Squall_sg Toh Ghim [GBR]Grudg3 2002
[GBR]kazuya_(sg) Chia Dewei Titans 2007
[GBR]kazuya_(sg) Chia Dewei [GBR]Grudg3 2004
[GBR]kazuya_(sg) Chia Dewei [GBR]Grudg3 2002
[GBR]Monster_sg Kenneth Yeo Titans 2007
[GBR]Monster_sg Kenneth Yeo Titans 2005
[GBR]Monster_sg Kenneth Yeo [GBR]Grudg3 2004
[GBR]Randy_sg Randy Lai Titans 2007
[GBR]Randy_sg Randy Lai ExsequoR 2006
[GBR]Randy_sg Randy Lai [GBR]Grudg3 2004
[GBR]tduck_sg Li Zeng Cong Titans 2005
[GBR]tduck_sg Li Zeng Cong [GBR]Grudg3 2004
[GBR]tduck_sg Li Zeng Cong [GBR]Grudg3 2002
alvin tan AEON.gamesense 2009
Billy Low RageFaction 2003
daryl chua AEON.gamesense 2009
GuanChung Lee RageFaction 2003
Hoo Bai Ming [GBR]Grudg3 2002
Ian Wong RageFaction 2003
Jared Tay RageFaction 2003
Ji Jia Yeo AH_sg 2001
Justin Lim RageFaction 2003
KarMa Stanley Aw Titans 2005
Lim Jing Jie AEON.gamesense 2009
Mark Low AEON.gamesense 2009
Matrix Alvin Tan ExsequoR 2006
Qing Di Chan AH_sg 2001
StrykerX Prasad Paramajothi Titans 2007
StrykerX Prasad Paramajothi Titans 2005
taufaN Taufan Putra Johanne Muhammad Titans 2005
taufaN Taufan Putra Johanne Muhammad AH_sg 2001
Tong Gui Yang [GBR]Grudg3 2002
Wei Sian Tan AH_sg 2001
Xavier Xavier Goh ExsequoR 2006
xqRisac Chua Weijie Isac ExsequoR 2008
xqRmyztery Daniel Seaton ExsequoR 2008
xqRmyztery Daniel Seaton ExsequoR 2006
xqRnic nicholas ho ExsequoR 2008
xqRspitty Chris Seaton ExsequoR 2008
xqRspitty Chris Seaton ExsequoR 2006
xqRzul zul omar ExsequoR 2008
Ze Nan Lau AH_sg 2001

This post has been edited by snoxd: Nov 9 2009, 05:26 PM

remember warnet? located at ss2 and ss3.
no internet, just offline games such as cs, oni, cc, starcraft.
ppl even hv to queue for a pc.

i remember my first clan to enter tourney at cc near Jaya supermarket.
the league is death match gameplay. map: de_dust. the opponent: NBTD!
wtf. haha. my team even camp at t base. i miss the old times yo.

i miss CS 1.1 bunny hop.

NBTD

ahh my good old days there...

I remember klangmamak tourney cos there was a fight there. History of CS gaming in Malaysia littered with so many stories, some good and some bad.

It used to be a norm to see friendly 5v5 matches everywhere and sometimes CS players were willing to travel even up to Ipoh to have matches with friends and whatnot. Some clans even offered sidebets like Zerau in Klang as incentives to attract matches.

I still remember watching PLAM and NBTD hanging around on the Silver Surfer SS15 FFA servers all the time. I sat next to dimsdale once and it was damn entertaining to watch him scold campers then charge in with a para on cs_militia. And there was alot of "MCH " to punctuate his playing as well.

Even so, the CC's had their price wars, even in SS15 particularly where you had that odd case when a fierce owner was halau-ing players out from other cafes. GlobalNET cafe owner was threatened by Sendi Mutiara reps, etc. Just too many weird experiences.After Silver Surfer SS15 got raided, that kind of marked the end of the era for older gamers like me.

Ah, fun and games while it lasted but working life called and the majority of us answered.

Luckily though, I've even managed to run in to some of the old 'hantus' from the CS scene on LYN.