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QUOTE(tracktion3 @ Nov 24 2009, 02:32 PM)
I mention used the same BDPlayer with both output ( HDMI and RCA) from BDPlayer. I only have 1 player.
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when you output thru the RCA cables the BD player has already done the conversion to analog. When u send it thru the HDMI (unless u send a PCM) the conversion is done in AVR.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 24 2009, 02:44 PM)
tracktion3,

when you output thru the RCA cables the BD player has already done the conversion to analog. When u send it thru the HDMI (unless u send a PCM) the conversion is done in AVR.
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Well, as I mention, it is about convinience and cheaper solutions. With only 1 (BD/DVD/CD) player, how to get the best out of it? So I used both cables. HDMI will be utilized when I watch movies, concert etc. So when I play movies( BD or DVD), the audio it bitstream to my AVR thru the HDMI. Audio quality not jeapordize.

When I play Audio CD with my BD player, I play thru my RCA L/R. At the AVR, I choose AV1 where my RCA cable is connected from my BD player. With this, I'm getting my audio playing thru a better RCA vs a "digitally design" HDMI cable. I choose this because Audio CD by it self is analog. This is of course my own interpretation. I can be wrong and there could be a better way. smile.gif
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Audio CD is analog?????

I tot only cassette tapes and Vinyls were analog, since CDs are considered digital media, or am i off here?
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QUOTE(wackojacko @ Nov 24 2009, 03:07 PM)
Audio CD is analog?????

I tot only cassette tapes and Vinyls were analog, since CDs are considered digital media, or am i off here?
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No u're not off. CDs are digital...
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 24 2009, 03:08 PM)
No u're not off. CDs are digital...
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My apology.. is digital... but is a PCM format already.... smile.gif
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but u can still send PCM signals via HDMI wat.....or for BD wids PCM soundtracks also u use ur RCA cables then??
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QUOTE(tracktion3 @ Nov 24 2009, 03:15 PM)
My apology.. is digital... but is a PCM format already.... smile.gif
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And PCM is also digital. Somewhere along the line that needs to be converted to analog. That is where a DAC comes into play. When you send out the signals using the RCA cable from ur BD player, the conversion is already done. Then ur AVR (depending on the AVR) might or might not apply room correction and will send the signals to ur speaker to output. When u send the CD audio stream thru HDMI, the conversion takes place in ur AVR.
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crazy?? ask people to compare HDMI vs RCA analog for what? I tot comparing different brands of digital HDMI cable? apple to apple mah.. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ Nov 24 2009, 03:28 PM)
And PCM is also digital. Somewhere along the line that needs to be converted to analog. That is where a DAC comes into play. When you send out the signals using the RCA cable from ur BD player, the conversion is already done. Then ur AVR (depending on the AVR) might or might not apply room correction and will send the signals to ur speaker to output. When u send the CD audio stream thru HDMI, the conversion takes place in ur AVR.
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thanks for the clarification. I just feel the different somehow when I play CD thru the RCA.


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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 24 2009, 05:56 PM)
crazy?? ask people to compare HDMI vs RCA analog for what? I tot comparing different brands of digital HDMI cable? apple to apple mah.. tongue.gif
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my apology, is not actually comparing it directly... is just a side topic from the original one. the idea is of this post is to mention that all same category HDMI performed the same. tongue.gif

The comparison is a suggestion to get the best of audio CD sound from a BD player.

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hehe! so to get best audio CD sound from BD player is to use analog ar?
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QUOTE(ar188 @ Nov 24 2009, 10:35 PM)
hehe! so to get best audio CD sound from BD player is to use analog ar?
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good question !!!!

that again depends on the BD player and AVR (analog and Digital input modes)

if BD player, supply inferior analog components out then of course using HDMI is better

unlike the OPPO 83 SE, pioneer LX series.... the analog out, will justify itself

also how capable is the AVR circuit in its DAC for HDMI and analog tongue.gif

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bd60 using analog to play music cd sounded like crap. too bloody bright rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 24 2009, 11:19 PM)
bd60 using analog to play music cd sounded like crap. too bloody bright rclxub.gif
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Boss, you have your Marantz CD6003 to rely on tongue.gif

The normal BDP or DVDP usually do not fare well when plays CD.
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I cant even listen for 5 mins if using my Dune to play audio CD....
even PS3 better than it but it still darn flat and boring sound from PS3...
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QUOTE(arremie @ Nov 24 2009, 11:19 PM)
bd60 using analog to play music cd sounded like crap. too bloody bright rclxub.gif
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As what sifu htkaki said, u already have sooooooooooo good CD player, why use BDplayer?

MY case is diffrent mah... budget and entry level. I hardly listen CD at home. Mostly in my car anyway. So, the easiest solution is RCA which somehow is ok for me, not bright.

I understand thet PCM is the last format before DAC in the BDP. Since Audio CD already in PCM format, so sending it directly thru RCA after DAC and go direct to AVR as analog with the least "conversion" to provide the best result. But I guess as some sifu mention here, depending how good is the DAC in my Pana BDP60. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(tracktion3 @ Nov 25 2009, 11:08 AM)
As what sifu htkaki said, u already have sooooooooooo good CD player, why use BDplayer?

haha no la. just info for u guys only. bd60 can make ur ear bleed tongue.gif
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