Forumer you are complaining against: naijaguy http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showuser=246238

Item being sold/bought: Fake Beats by Dr. Dre

Original thread link: http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1203008&hl=

Date of transaction: 1/11/09

Details of the complaint : On the 1st of Nov, both of us agreed to meet at Masjid Jamek LRT station at 2 p.m. Okay, I went with my fren and we reached at 1.45 p.m. However, the seller haven't reached yet. So we waited patiently, yet at 2.10p.m, the seller still haven't showed up so I txted him and asking him where he was. He said he's reaching soon. After that, me and my fren decided to go to McDonald to wait for him, my fren is kinda pissed off ady bcoz the seller was wait and he's going to Low Yat to book his iPhone 3Gs. At 2.30p.m the seller has finally turned up and due to time rush, I just picked up the beats and tested whether it's in working condition or not and then I paid the seller and took off to Low Yat.

However, when I went home and did a proper examination on the beats. The condition of the beats is really bad, as if the unit has been used for quite a long time ady with scratches everywhere, the 'b' word printed on it has worn off and the chrome side had faded, there're a lot of earwax collecting inside the right hand side of the earpiece(which contradict with seller's claimed that he jus opened and tested the unit) I immediately txted the seller telling him that I'm not very happie with the condition since he said it's new unit. However, seller said that the IEM is really new one and willing to show me the another beats IEM that he had to prove that mine is actually the new one, he also claimed that he had done quite a lot of successful trades over the LYN and I started to believe him that he's a genuine seller and telling the truth and the poor condition of the beats might just be the poor quality control from Monsters, partly also because he's speaking nicely, I did apologized to him that if I did sound harsh in anyway before pls do forgive me.

So I picked up the "new" beats and cleaned up all those wax collected inside( believing the seller that those ear wax accumulated when he opened and tested) changed the eartips from the smallest size eartips to the largest eartips(the largest eartips always fits best). I tried to play few songs and this is when I felt smth really had gone wrong. The bass coming out form the IEM is not as strong as it supposed to be and the highs is too much that it's hurting my ears. This isn't supposed to be the quality that the beats should hv bcoz beats are supposed to hv very strong bass with very warm sound signature. So I tried google and checked whether there's such thing as fake Monster products or not and I'm very surprised to see that there's actually fake one running around the market. So I compared my earphones with the one described online and I found out that mine is absolutely fake product Original unit should hv serial number on the 3.5 mm jack and there're supposed to be words " tour" carved on the cable(mine of coz tarak xD) The monster words printed is also protruding out like cheap products~

I was very pissed and txted the seller and asking him to refund me immediately coz this unit don't even worth RM50 IMO yet I'm paying RM300 for it =.=''' The seller called me back and said that he dunno that his unit is fake one and said that he bought it for $115 over ebay which now I really doubted that he's telling the truth, yet he said that he'll tried his best to solve the prob and will call me back today to settle the prob. Yet, there's not even a call from the seller, not even a SMS from him so I decided to txt him. I'm proposing two choices, first, I told him that if he's willing to refund me, I'll post the earphone back to him and I'll bear the postage charge myself and once he received it, I'll forget about everything, he can sell it to whoever at whatever price, I won't gv a damn. If he refused to do so, I'll take the fake beats to police station and reported him for cheating me(selling fake products) and get him nabbed and jailed, called his uni dean to get him expelled from uni and reported him to Monster company.

Seller's answer was: he did not sell the fake product to me purposely, claimed that he bought the item as ORIGINAL and sold it as such( Well said, didn't I ask you to google to compare urs and the website or youtube then you will know what's I'm saying) He's saying like I intentionally changed his unit to fake one to blame him. 2ndly he said he couldn't refund me at the moment(what the hell happened to my RM300 in less than 24 hours? LOL)and he said he did not appreciate ppl threatening him( Yes, I do mean to threaten you otherwise will you budge even a single bit?) and so here comes the dispute against you dear my foreigner scammer. I will report the case to police station tho I dunno whether they will accept this case or not, but I'll definitely call up ur Uni dean and try my best to get you expelled bother eventho I won't get back my money )

Story ends~

Seller's detail:
Name:chukwudi barrah
Contact number:0149602713
Living place: Somewhere at Damansara Perdana
Seller's FB acc: http://www.facebook.com/oPt1muSpRimE
Seller's blog: http://outofnaija.tumblr.com/ ( Contained nudity content, not for minors~)

Would appreciate anyone that can help me to dig out more info regarding this guy while I'm looking for his photo to share with you all from his FB frens Photos of the counterfeit Beats will be uploaded later.

Is it beats genuine? http://twitpic.com/l8jdo

Mind to explain, Mr chukwudi barrah ?

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 5 2009, 06:14 PM

You inspected the item at MCD before paying for it.
We sat there for about 10 minutes. during which time
You also tested the unit on your apple iphone and ascertained you were satisfied with the item.
You offered to pay RM20 for the sony headphones and i refused.
if i was going to sell you a fake, used earphone, you don't think the least i could have done would have been to clean the unit totally?
I did buy the item for USD$115 on ebay as are almost all items i own.
they do not accept returns or refunds
And it was sold to me as original.
I did not in any way imply that you changed the unit to a fake one.
I have never before heard about the existence of fake units of monster beats by dr.dre until you mentioned it last night.
i check and i think that you are correct, it is indeed a fake unit and
i did not intentionally sell you the fake unit.
what happened to RM300 in 24 hours? That's a good question.
i did not sell the item to save the money.
like i said, even if i want to, i can not afford to refund the RM300.
i'm really sorry but the sale is final.
I just realized you posted on one of my topics,
i try my very best to always purchase quality items
the photos of the sony headphones carry a sony seal. it was bought from sony center.
my sincere apologies for any inconveniences caused,
thank you.

Well, Come on brother, you're late for 30 mins and you expected me to spend time checking every details of the earphone? You told me the unit is new that's why I didn't inspect the item thoroughly, you urself are advertising on the sale thread that they're new. Do you know the definition of "NEW"? Do you really expect me to be able to differentiate a product that I've nvr seen it b4 in my life whether they're genuine or not? Don't be silly man. Ebay don't accept ur refunds that's ur own business as you told me you bought it 2 months ago and now only u realized it's fake and you can't get the refund from them. I bought it from you for less than 24 hours and straight away come to you and you're telling me you can't refund me? Since you urself also admit it's fake now, you should hv refund me instead of asking me to do whatever i like, which I will. Is that how you called yourself as genuine seller? Gosh. I did offer RM20 for ur Sony since before this you're offering me RM350 for beats and sony, and now I'm asking for RM320 for both, is that too much to ask? My pissed off told me I should ask for 30% discount FYI bcoz u r late for 30 mins. Also, did i force you to sell it to me at RM320? No i obviously don't since you rejected my offer. Just by saying apologize for inconvenience caused you're expecting me to gv u the RM300 and do nothing? You wish man~ I'll report this to the police station since now you admitted it's fake and yet refused to refund, most prob they will accept the case I hope, by then, happie explaining to Police Malaysia. Oh ya, ady contacted most of ur frens, most prob will dig out ur Uni info soon. Unless you refund me, otherwise, get rdy to go to jail, get sued by Monster or get expelled from ur Uni, my friend. Gd luck~

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 2 2009, 10:04 PM

Aiyo kena con Ah, itu budak memang pandai. Jual brng palsu. Tak apa, kita cari sampai dia keluar to tunjuk ajar dia kaw kaw

hope this can end in a good situation..

Type in English my fren. The seller is foreigner i reckon , don't think he'll understand Bahasa. I offered him to just refund me and I'll just keep quiet and he can keep his gd reputation yet he refused, I even offered to post the item back to him and I'll bear the charge(would b around RM20 based on the weight) just looking to settle the case in peace. now I'm really pissed off n might sound very rude after this.

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Added on November 2, 2009, 10:16 pm

Eh, Akmal from sem 3? xD It's not I don't want to settle it, but seller insisted that he won't refund, what can i do? report rite? Should I report to Police or Consumer service I wonder? Or both so that they will take it seriously?

I've been in LYN for quite some time and deal with a lot of ppl. I don't really wish to bring this case to dispute zone coz it will affect the person involved , just wanna solve the problem which is just as simple as refund me. yet he force me to do this.

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 2 2009, 10:23 PM

To the seller nick name naijaguy, I pmed you many times, please refund the guy that you sold him fake goods. Police is

going to go deeper to dig you out from your shit hole, wherever you are, please look behind, we are after you every night,

don't sleep so sound. BEWARE Ghost will follow you to hell.

Swt, I think seller is working in restaurant somewhere in Cyberjaya yet he told me he's a student~ yet to be confirmed.

Seller owned smth tat worths $495 http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1078166&hl= , Sony Earphone http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1095011&hl= that worth RM98, also he's an iPhone 3G(s) user yet he can't refund my RM300 If he said he didn't sell the earphone to keep the RM300, I wonder where the money goes?

More of his profiles: http://akeputtipan.hi5.com/friend/20479837...h--Profile-html
http://www.flixster.com/user/chocho81
http://www.facebook.com/people/Satty-Barrah/746425397 His sister I think or somehow related to him Wanna pay her a visit ?

@Adam~ This friday I'll go to Sri Petaling police station to report the case, so let's just let police handle it after that,I'll b happie if you guys wanna go and "greet" him. So scammer, don't blame me if you can't go back to ur own country, you hv time until this thursday to make a wise decision, ur future is in ur hand~

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 3 2009, 01:58 AM

Bro, i m not trying to make thing worse.. but i just speak my mind.

As a buyer, u should check the item properly, i know that u and ur fren is such in a hurry, but thats the point of COD. U have option to refuse to buy it since u dont have much time to check over it, yet u still bought it after doing a short test.

From my point of view, once u pay him and he handed u the beats, the deal closed. He didnt even provide any personal warranty (i cannot see in his ad)..

U ask seller



Dont shoot me, i have to admit that i rarely doing this either. But to me, as a buyer, we have to check on that properly before purchase.. its not a CAP AYAM item, its an expensive item and we should know well about the stuff before we pay. And, what the assurance to deny the fact that we as a buyer might change the stuff with the fake one (dont get mad as i just trying to tell u the situation), thats why we need to do all the checking when COD. take it as a lesson bro.

I dont have a problem with the acts u gonna do to him. As i said earlier, i just want speak my mind. Ppl usually will easily take the victim side blindly. Yet, i didnt claim that its anyone fault. Hopefully u guys can solve it in a right manner.



This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Nov 3 2009, 02:52 AM

Hv you been to the Mc Donald beside Masjid Jamek? It's a one hell of a noisy place. Do you really expect me to be able to do a proper audition at that place? I want to do the COD at my place initially and seller actually promised to come but he FFK last minute so I've to meet him there. Also, read the rule and regulation, imitation products are prohibited at the first place, yet he's selling it. Why it's called imitation, bcoz they look like real one in order to fool ppl. You can't really diff the fake one without comparing it to real one, honestly, do you really know anything about earphone stuff? Based on what you say, you're basically saying that I can create a sale thread and COD with other ppl and fooled them again. If the buyer dunno and paid me, then it's their fault? I won't be held responsible?

@Codex, if you're reading this, pls help me to trace this guy out, his handphone no is as above. I really couldn't bear with him ady. I'll pay you accordingly.

Edited: Sry for my wrong choice of words used.

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 3 2009, 06:45 PM

You didnt get what i mean actually. All in all, u still can opt to not to purchase. yes, i admit i m not into audiophiles.. but i m doing over hundred transactions already. I never think of u to open sale thread to fool other ppl. The choice in your hand. Thats the point.

Yes, we cant really differentiate the fake one without comparing with the real one, i m not saying that u need to have a real one to differentiate, what i mean is at least u learn about it (the thing is u learn about it when u surf thru the net, and u still realize it is a fake one without having a real one in hand right?)

Yet, if what u say is true, yes, you definitely have the rights to do what u think u need to do. Cool and chill out. Thanks. And Good luck in getting your money back.

This post has been edited by Apis_LuaLua: Nov 3 2009, 03:13 AM

I bought it bcoz I tot it's original. I had done a lot of trades over the year as well (check my tradelist) but I don't see anything related to this. Imitation handphone are easier to recognise jus from the software and sometimes outlook, but earphone, it's not really that easy, even if i gv this one to some ppl they won't even know that it's fake unless you've listened to high end earphone before then you will be able to tell. Regarding the warranty, when I was meeting him, he said he will ask Monster Malaysia about it, coz he ordered it from US. he still took out the warranty card inside that showed 1 year warranty for me to believe.

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 3 2009, 03:18 AM

Bro, this Naijaguy still a guilty person here since he admitted that the item is fake already. Just chase him. My comment above was just about a lesson we need to learn. Thats all. Gudluck and i believe that codex will give a hand.

Yes, that's what really make me angry, since he ady admitted it's fake product, he should hv refunded me, I won't mind if he returns the money to me little by little if he really can't return it in one shot, yet he chose to run away rather than facing his mistake, and said "sale is final" This is the first time I heard seller purchased fake product, sold it to his buyers and asked the buyers to take the buyer's fault~ still dare to call himself as genuine seller... LOL.


This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 3 2009, 05:04 AM

Naijaguy, I've 2 solutions here:

1) You sent me the Sony headphone and pay me RM180(you can pay me by installment, we will discuss how the payment goes). I'll send the beats back to you when you had paid up the sum.
or
2) You gv me the Sony headphone and pay me Rm80(pay by installment as well), I'll keep the beats earphone too.

Since Apis_LuaLua said that I'm partially wrong, so fine I'll bear some loss with you. If you wish to settle this peacefully, think about it as this will be my last toleration with you. You will not get into trouble, I'll get some of my money back n prepare for my exam. This is the best way I can come up with, I'll give you until this thursday night to think about it. PM me ur decision. If I don't receive ur reply by Thursday night, then I'll proceed to report you on Friday.

If anyone of you feel that my proposal is unfair to the seller in anyway, tell me ur suggestion here.

This post has been edited by chingwooi: Nov 3 2009, 05:24 AM

I think i really want to laugh out loud.
I do not "work" in a restaurant in cyberjaya, i own and manage a restaurant in cyberjaya, which in no way concerns you.
Also, those of you on harsh terms already. I do not know nor you me.
The word "nigger" was probably regarded as insulting many years ago. not anymore.
I refuse to stoop down to your level.
Still please do restrict your use of derogatory words.
I talked to my legal counsel today and you actually have no case.
A transaction was carried out.
You tested and were satisfied with the quality of the product sold.
Transaction concluded....
You then called and say that wax was found in the earbuds. I owned up and said it was probably me.
but truth is, it could very easily have been you also.
I could also easily have denied the item as being fake, as i have never had reason to believe fake beats by dre headphones exist until you pointed it out, but i did not because in all honesty i did not know the item was a fake.
You asked me at the LRT if i had used a monster product. I have never used or owned a monster product before. I could not tell the fake from the original until you pointed it out.
I have no reason to be scared of you or anyone else.
But to be fair, you have been nice up to a point and you even made me an offer.
I'm making you a counter offer.
I will not sell you or anyone else my sony headphones, i'd rather give it to charity.
So, my counter offer is; we share the loss; you keep the unit and i refund you a percentage of the payment.
i intend to refund RM100 pending your agreement. Thank you.

i know that you are stomping mad, but shouldn't a medical student like yourself, practice some self restrain from uttering such racial, derogatory slurs?

the least expected out of your prospective job, is to be at least less racially motivated?

Well since YOU OWN a restaurant and can afford to talk to a legal counsel, refunding rm300 should'nt be a problem r8? & its stated in your thread your selling BRAND NEW BEATS BY DRE, not brand new FAKE beats by dr dre. if u didnt know it was fake,now u know it is,so its your RESPONSIBILITY as a seller to refund the buyer. He already tested and was satisfied with the product since he only took 10 minutes to test it,because he believed you were a genuine seller, who's selling only genuine products. Are you implying here that it's not wrong to sell fake products if u didn't know it was fake in the 1st place?

I do not in any way imply that i am correct but
I have just received several messages from a few people on Facebook that they received messages from a Yeoh Ching Wooi
claiming that i sell fake PRODUCTS
from my point of view Mr. Yeoh Ching Wooi is implying that i purposely sell not one, but several fake items on the Lowyat forum.
In case Mr. Yeoh Ching Wooi does not realize, that amounts to Vilification/Defamation of Character in the court of law.
I have offered to refund a percentage of his payment. I would need for him to contact all the people he had previously contacted on Facebook and retract his statement immediately. Thank you.

Legal counsel eh..?

I suggest you one thing TS. If he do not want to refund or admit fault. Just report it to Monster about imitation products he selling.

When there's is a case in court, just let him deal between him and Monster. Most probably at that time, even his 'legal counsel' can't even help him.

Most probably you will lose the money you paid for, but if the company intend to sue him, then he will lose far more money than what you have lost.

This post has been edited by a13solut3: Nov 3 2009, 02:56 PM