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post Aug 30 2009, 04:08 PM, updated 15y ago

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Condensed milk: Canned for good

2009/08/30

SONIA RAMACHANDRAN and CHAI MEI LING

You have added taste to the tea, coffee and chocolate drinks of many a Malaysian. A tasty spread upon their bread you have also been. For many children in the 70s, you were a delicious snack when they squeezed you directly into their mouths. But all good things in life must come to an end, write SONIA RAMACHANDRAN and CHAI MEI LING

IT is time we say goodbye to an old friend from yesteryears, the good old full-cream sweetened condensed milk.

There was a time when never a day would pass without seeing advertisements in the newspapers or television where condensed milk was spread on bread, added to drinks or drunk as a milk drink by itself.

Today, the full-cream sweetened condensed milk is missing from supermarket shelves, replaced by the now ubiquitous sweetened creamer.
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And why did it go off the shelves? It became too costly to produce for manufacturers.

It all began when the condensed milk was gazetted as a controlled item 37 years ago on Jan 20, 1972.

Controlled goods are essential items which the government keeps a tab on under the Control of Supplies Act 1961 so that there is a sufficient supply in the market.

At the same time, the prices of some controlled items are determined by the government to deter the indiscriminate raising of prices.

This is to ensure the people can continue to enjoy such goods at reasonable prices.

As such, condensed milk, being such a staple in Malaysians' diet, had its price fixed.

It cost just 75 sen in 1977 for a 397g can of full-cream sweetened condensed milk.

Even when the price steadily rose to RM1.75 in 1998, it was still affordable.

But as the cost of milk solids soared since the turn of the century, we began to see fewer and fewer cans of the condensed milk.


It remained in the market until around 2000 but was gradually phased out as it was no longer profitable for manufacturers to produce due to its high milk content.

A can of condensed milk, under the Food Regulation 1985, should have milk solids making up at least a third of its contents.

It also has to have at least nine per cent of milk fat.

And so, as the condensed milk slowly made its exit, the sweetened creamer took its place.

"Sweetened creamers became a substitute product when condensed milk went off the shelves," said Domestic Trade, Cooperative and Consumerism Ministry secretary-general Datuk Mohd Zain Mohd Dom.

What is the difference between the both, you may ask?

"The creamer is palm oil-based whereas the full-cream sweetened condensed milk is milk-based," said Zain.

A check at a hypermarket saw only sweetened creamers on the shelves.

While the price of full-cream condensed milk stayed at RM1.75 from 1998 until April this year due to the capped price, the price of sweetened creamer soared.

The cheapest was at RM1.99, with some going up to RM2.65.

The irony is that sweetened creamer has less milk, which should make it cheaper to produce.

Sweetened condensed milk was eventually taken off the controlled item list in April.

"It no longer was an essential item. The controlled price was unrealistically low that the industry was unwilling to sell it in the market.


"We now want to allow the price to be determined by market forces. It is also part of the government's objective to move away from price control," said Zain.

So does this bode well for full- cream condensed milk lovers?

Will manufacturers restart production now that pricing is free?

Who knows?

For now, Malaysians will see the condensed milk but the filled milk variant.

This filled milk is the same as the full-cream condensed milk in every way except that its fat content is made up of edible vegetable oil or fat instead of milk fat.

Looks like the creamy condensed milk that we grew up with will remain a thing of the past.



FOOD REGULATIONS 1985


Part viii — Standards and particular labelling requirements for food
Milk and Milk Product
l Regulation 95 — Condensed milk or sweetened condensed milk.

(1) Condensed milk or sweetened condensed milk shall be the product obtained by evaporating from milk, a portion of its water or by reconstituting milk constituents and adding sugar to the remainder.

2) Condensed milk or sweetened condensed milk shall contain not less than:
(a) nine per cent of milk fat;
(b) 31 per cent of total milk solids; and
© 670 International Units of Vitamin A per 100g.

l Regulation 99 — Condensed filled milk or sweetened condensed filled milk.

(1) Condensed filled milk or sweetened condensed filled milk shall in all respects comply with the standard for sweetened condensed milk except that the milk fat content is replaced by edible vegetable oil or edible vegetable fat.
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post Aug 30 2009, 04:12 PM

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no wonder my mom was always asking me to find for condensed milk not sweetened creamer whenever we were grocery shopping. they only have sweetened creamer nowadays
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QUOTE(michanz @ Aug 30 2009, 04:12 PM)
no wonder my mom was always asking me to find for condensed milk not sweetened creamer whenever we were grocery shopping. they only have sweetened creamer nowadays
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Ideal is the closest thing to condensed milk, but it is using vegetable oil instead of milk fat.
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Drink yourselves to diabetes. rclxms.gif
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post Aug 30 2009, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ Aug 30 2009, 04:18 PM)
Drink yourselves to diabetes. rclxms.gif
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Sugar added to drinks is easy to taste but once added to food like kuihs. laugh.gif You have no idea the amount that is needed to make it sweet. It's a lot!!!
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I think someone blogged about this a year or two ago (chanlilian?). Then the Nutgraph did an article. Now NST.

High time this is in the news. Malaysia has not been the same since condensed milk went off the shelves. I speculate that the rot that we see has something to do with this. whistling.gif laugh.gif

Bring back condensed milk. I don't mind paying more.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 30 2009, 06:55 PM)
I think someone blogged about this a year or two ago (chanlilian?).  Then the Nutgraph did an article.  Now NST.

High time this is in the news.  Malaysia has not been the same since condensed milk went off the shelves.  I speculate that the rot that we see has something to do with this.  whistling.gif laugh.gif

Bring back condensed milk.  I don't mind paying more.
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Now that condensed milk no longer listed as part of price control mechanism, it is just a matter of time for that, to return to Malaysian market...


I think Ideal is the closest one, but it is using vegetable oil.
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condensed milk on roti. thumbup.gif
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I drink plain tea. No sugar or milk or fake milk.
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QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 30 2009, 07:17 PM)
condensed milk on roti.  thumbup.gif
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If thousands or millions of Malaysians demand the return of condensed milk, i am sure it will make the producers in this country to reintroduce it.
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post Aug 30 2009, 07:22 PM

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I dun realised we dun have condensed milk now rolmfao..
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post Aug 30 2009, 07:24 PM

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"It all began when the condensed milk was gazetted as a controlled item 37 years ago on Jan 20, 1972."

Never taste it before then,I was never born to taste the condensed milk yet.
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QUOTE(minghao @ Aug 30 2009, 07:24 PM)
"It all began when the condensed milk was gazetted as a controlled item 37 years ago on Jan 20, 1972."

Never taste it before then,I was never born to taste the condensed milk yet.
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it was still available until the mid or late 80s.
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QUOTE(minghao @ Aug 30 2009, 07:24 PM)
"It all began when the condensed milk was gazetted as a controlled item 37 years ago on Jan 20, 1972."

Never taste it before then,I was never born to taste the condensed milk yet.
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"It remained in the market until around 2000 but was gradually phased out as it was no longer profitable for manufacturers to produce due to its high milk content."
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susu f&n bukan condense milk ke?
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oh even longer. think i was out of the country that time. haha.
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 30 2009, 07:26 PM)
susu f&n bukan condense milk ke?
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Nowadays, creamer.

QUOTE(joe_mamak @ Aug 30 2009, 07:27 PM)
oh even longer.  think i was out of the country that time.  haha.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condensed_milk#Substitutions

Make your own sweetened condensed milk.
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QUOTE(PVCpipe @ Aug 30 2009, 07:26 PM)
susu f&n bukan condense milk ke?
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Susu isian = Evaporated milk = Palm oil. Yeah U minum minyak sawit.
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Seriously, the creamer and filled milk tastes bad. It really sucks compared to condensed milk.
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finally i thought where my condensed milk go brows.gif
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yes yes, used to be only two choices:
condensed
evaporated

now every single food/drink have own 'milk'!
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Aug 30 2009, 04:19 PM)
QUOTE(Gr3yL3gion @ Aug 30 2009, 04:18 PM)

Drink yourselves to diabetes. rclxms.gif
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LOL! Good one.
Kita ni memang pecah rekod cepat mampus.
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I stopped buying creamer ages ago, since they replace the 'milk' with palm-based fats...

Nowadays it's either pasterurised milk or just plain coffeemate if I am broke (yes, i know coffeemate is powdered palmoil based creamer)....
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QUOTE(Faidzal @ Mar 29 2011, 12:08 PM)
I stopped buying creamer ages ago, since they replace the 'milk' with palm-based fats...

Nowadays it's either pasterurised milk or just plain coffeemate if I am broke (yes, i know coffeemate is powdered palmoil based creamer)....
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It is possible to make your own condensed sweetened milk, but not easy.
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ade condensed ke takde condensed ke rakyat malaysia mmg x reti control gula
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QUOTE(Kampung2005 @ Mar 29 2011, 12:12 PM)
It is possible to make your own condensed sweetened milk, but not easy.
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not economically feasible
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Ya. So many ignorant people buy creamers thinking it's the same condensed milk. They don't know they are drinking palm oil. I always tell my colleagues to not use creamer in the office pantry because it is just oil and zero milk.

To produce creamer from palm oil is just a simple process. Manufacturers make a huge profit from it. Although known brands buy high grade palm oil. There are brands which uses low grade ingredients. Please don't support this kind of business ethics.

My cousin used to work in a company selling raw ingredients. He told me to stop eating anything with palm oil and trans fat.
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So it means, there's no real condensed milk in our market?
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QUOTE(soundsyst64 @ Mar 29 2011, 12:38 PM)
So it means, there's no real condensed milk in our market?
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No. But you can get it in Singapore.

Singapore > Malaysia (for condensed milk)




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all are imported, but need to find in certain upmarket shops like mercato or cold storage....
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tak salah minum minyak... cuma mesti cut carb consumption la.... aku hari2 minum EVOO, 2 sudu besar setiap kali makan x bertambah jugak lemak.... -5kg dalam masa 1 bulan adala....
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Couldn't find it in Cold Storage. sad.gif

Think I would use milk and sugar instead.

Sick of "drinking" vegetable oil.
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what's so bad about vegetable oil to health?
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Duh who cares. I hate the taste. Too bad the sweetened creamers is still around. Should ban those as well.

I only take non-sweetened fillled milk like Carnation etc and suagr...so can easily control taste without overly sweet.

I remember one time...went to Malay stall eat ice-kacang...they put sweetened condensed milk instead of the Filled milk like Carnation/Ideal...WTF...wanna puke.

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QUOTE(pikacu @ Mar 29 2011, 12:50 PM)
what's so bad about vegetable oil to health?
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Don't you think it is gross to have oil in drinks?
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QUOTE(barista @ Mar 29 2011, 01:55 PM)
Don't you think it is gross to have oil in drinks?
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and lately gelatine/pork lard. lol.

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...08627&hl=kluang
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QUOTE(barista @ Mar 29 2011, 12:55 PM)
Don't you think it is gross to have oil in drinks?
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No i guess?
I don't take susu pekat/creamer/sweeten anyway.

As long as it is not endanger our health then ok already.
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i still see condensed milk around
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Sweetened condensed milk was eventually taken off the controlled item list in April.

"It no longer was an essential item. The controlled price was unrealistically low that the industry was unwilling to sell it in the market.

"We now want to allow the price to be determined by market forces. It is also part of the government's objective to move away from price control," said Zain.

Read more here.
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I want to cry; creamer makes my mom sick so we've been looking for condensed milk for ages cry.gif

Malangnya no longer exist....
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palm oil is a healthy oil that do not deserve the bad publicity created by competitor
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You can buy from Singapore. Got my stock there. Wonderfully tasty. Not like the fake shiet sold here
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QUOTE(beatlesalbum @ Mar 29 2011, 01:48 PM)
i still see condensed milk around
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Mana ada?

Sweetened condensed filled milk got lah.
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palm oil is a healthy oil that do not deserve the bad publicity created by competitor
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imagine if the creamer is made from lard. trololol.
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my milo ais is not the same anymore

taste more sugar dan real milo
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QUOTE(Matrix @ Mar 29 2011, 12:52 PM)
Duh who cares. I hate the taste. Too bad the sweetened creamers is still around. Should ban those as well.

I only take non-sweetened fillled milk like Carnation etc and suagr...so can easily control taste without overly sweet.

I remember one time...went to Malay stall eat ice-kacang...they put sweetened condensed milk instead of the Filled milk like Carnation/Ideal...WTF...wanna puke.
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nowadays they put sweetened condensed creamer instead sad.gif

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