Cant live without which software
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/735157

Top 5 Best software you ever used
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/632462

Both the topics above aren't the same!! Wake up la. Widen your eyes. Please check before you simply close the thread!
5 best software you've ever used doesn't mean you can't live without using the "5 best software"

Duh...

Wouldn't it be a lot better if you could PM the respective Mod / Staff to politely discuss about this issue first before bringing it up here?

Screaming here and there will just make yourself look ugly.

I believe most people would do this. Just because somebody posted "we already have sth similar", thread can be closed without your so-called "investigation"?

Farnie

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Added on July 5, 2008, 11:09 pmIt doesn't only show how inefficient you're also ....(no, I'm not gonna use that kinda word) for not reading the whole thread. It's not like the thread is 100 pages long, it's just 1 page for godness sake, if not for yours.

You MOD/STAFF always say you got no time to read all post, fine. Can't even check the first post properly first before closing?

Well, you are just assuming and jumped to the conclusion that ya thread is closed without any investigation done. Why don't you explain politely to the respective Mod and see how it goes? I believe that respective mod / staff have his own reason to close that thread.

Well, I've PMed him and invited him to join this thread. Let's wait and see what's the excuse he is going to give for closing the thread.

both threads weren't even started by you. if a moderating crew decides to let it be at a single thread, you can always enquire.

starting a thread here isn't necessary. to make it worse, your attitude pretty much sucks and it isn't helping.

just because a moderator decides to close the thread, that doesn't equate to ABUSING of POWER.

all in all -

1. your attitude sucks, you could've posted politely but you did not. it was as if that moderator had done something grevious to you.

2. you accused a moderator for abuse of power when you didn't even bother to PM your thoughts, which you could've done so, again in polite manner.

since you are behaving as if you're some sort of VIP and all, I'm closing this thread as I don't think you deserve any form of attention, seeing that you can't even conduct yourself properly in bringing up a point.

if those thread starters have no disagreement with the moderator decision, then i don't see any problem. if they do, they can drop a PM to the moderator who took action.

Look, there's a difference between an 'abuse of power' and a moderating decision. This is clearly a case of disagreement with a moderating decision pertaining to a thread. An 'abuse of power' would be where a moderator suspends or bans a user due to a personal issue with that forummer.

For the later, bring it up with the moderator in question politely via PM. For the former, PM myself or wKkaY.

For both, be polite because if you message any of us with this attitude, we'll ignore you or ask you to get lost.

Woh.. Do I have to conduct an English lesson here?

Obviously closing the thread above is totally improper. Why do you close this thread and not allow others to post their comments here? Also I don't see fariz giving any excuse(as we can see there's no reason for closing the thread) for closing the thread.

@goldfries,
Yes I'm not the thread starter. But can I ask a question? If you see a police whacking an innocent guy, will you not lodge a report?
If you don't lodge a report, you're coward because you are helping the police to abuse his/her power.
If you lodge a report, you're slapping your own face because you're not involved in the incident also.

be polite with us and we'll be polite to you

respect the moderating team and the moderating team will respect you.

the way you conducted yourself when you first posted this topic itself shows that you opened this thread not to give your opinion on the issue, rather it was opened to openly criticize a moderating decision based on your own understanding of the issue.

All action by the moderating team except those explicitly stated in the R&R, are not final, and you're welcome to request us to review it. The key word here is request in case you missed it. Don't come here with your attitude and demand us to "wake up" and "open our eyes" and expect to be treated back with respect.

it is as simple as that.

Well, I don't appreciate your complete lack of respect, rude tone and unfair judgements. It's all very abusive. You know what? The content of this thread is abusive and I'm not going to allow you to continue your abusive rant towards the moderating team.

You can call this an abuse of power, but really it's not. If you disagree, fine, you have that right. Just remember that you're equally at fault and share equal blame, if you really wanted anything good to come out of this, you should have shown some damn respect.

ok lets say i put aside all those disrespectful tone first and get to the main topic.

why the thread is close/merged? simple.

if you look at the replies, there are similar to one another. whats different between the 2 thread? one has a 5 software only cap and another doesnt. so what difference does it make? and YES, THIS DOES MAKE THE THREAD SIMILAR. so you better wake up and get your manners corrected.

se7en,
I believe this is not the first time incident of this kind happens. Just that many don't got the guts to voice out. The moderator who closed the thread will make himself a laughingstock.

fariz
Last Active: Today, 09:43 AM

Well, I did PM him and invited him to come to this thread. But it seems that he failed to do so. I don't mind a rude response actually but where's the excuse for closing the thread? Also, I didn't see any action taken to re-open the thread as it's very obvious that both topics totally aren't the same.

se7en,
I don't have to remind you that we, forumers, are actually indirect source of income of LYN. Without us, there will be no traffic, no ads which leads to no income. So having this, I would like you to think about this, if moderating team doesn't run the forum efficiently and effectively, simply closing the thread, will there be anybody interested in participating in the forum?


Simply because you dare not to face the fact. So yet again, closing down THIS thread.

dude,
ALL THEY ARE ASKING NOW IS SOME GOD DAMN RESPECT BEFORE YOU START MAKING YOUR REQUESTS AND CRITISIZING THE MODERATING TEAM.
cant you see that every mod that replied in this thread is emphasizing on the intonation of your posts?

Do you fail your English or your brain failed you to interpret??

Dude, it's totally not similiar!
The best software you've used before doesn't mean you can't live without the software.
One software can be the best software but doesn't mean someone can't live without it.

jiaxun,

I still feel both threads are similar in nature..

actually, why are you so angry about me closing it?

can you elaborate more?

I would like to know why you're so angry about it

see bro,
the way you answer back shows yr immaturity and disrespectful for others' opinion. why should the mod team give you a chance when you talk so rudely. OK, IF YOU THINK I FAILED MY ENGLISH I TRY TO PUT IT IN DIFF WORDS:

why should a teacher entertain a very rude and disrespectful student that calls the teacher to wake up and open their eyes? Whether the teacher is wrong or right, the way the student talked already made the teacher angry. so why should the teacher listen to the student then?

oh wait, maybe you never been to school thats why you failed your moral and civics

That's not the purpose of this thread. Please don't try to deviate from the topic.

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Added on July 6, 2008, 12:28 pm
Simply because both topics aren't the same yet you still say they're the same!

ok let me repeat my sentence... i said they were similar. just in case you didnt know...

similar means :"like sb/sth but not exactly the same"
same means :" exactly the one or ones referred to or mentioned"

so i guess fariz wasnt wrong in the first place...you are the one who changed his words.

I don't have to face anything other than your blatent disrespect for the moderating team and inability to comprehend equal responsibility. I'm only a mod, I am not in a position where I have the capacity to judge or punish a staff member, so I don't really care about what happened between Fariz and whoever else. However, I am still a moderator on this forum and have the capacity to take actions against YOU for your wrong doings.

Your posts in this thread have been offensive and disrespectful to me, the mods, staff, admins and every other member on this forum. You're abusing your ability to post as a member of this forum by posting in that manner. If mod's are judged by the way they conduct themselves as mods, you as a std member should be judged in the same way.



So you're saying that because you think you're justified in doing so, the rules no longer apply to you?

The topic replies format are similar but the topics still aren't same.

Do you like to eat durian?
Do you like to eat apple
Both topics above are SIMILAR as they are both fruits. But they're not the SAME!!
So, why does it have to be closed just because the replying format are SIMILAR? Right? Do you think that fariz closing the thread is appropriate?

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Added on July 6, 2008, 12:52 pm
If you want to continue penalizing me, suit yourself.

i believe the thread is closed because it is both the same question and its very general. UNLESS, you stated that :" which media player is best?" and another topic :" which anti-virus is best?" THEN only your durian and apple analogy works here.

fruits=software
durian=media player
apple=antivirus

with this, then only the topics will be different... the two topics that you linked both are asking for the same type of thing, which is softwares but by not stating anything in specific, most people who posted on the first topic will be posting the same thing on the 2nd topic. you get what i mean?

There is a question pop out from me. As TS said if we see some guy whacking innocent and as a passing by we shall lodge a police report. But the question now is, there are other forumer who posted there. Why they don feel the thread is "whacking" by moderator? And only you the one who feel it?

Reminding me? Is that a threat?

Well, you can be the first to lead the mass exodus of people who leave. Just FYI, i make enough money in my day job to run this site without a single ad on it. So, seriously, don't give me your half baked comments and sarcastic remarks that you're the reason we exist. You've only been a member of this community for a year and you're already acting all high and mighty? This is a community site built on respect, something which you clearly lack.

I wont warn you a second time after this to be polite when dealing with the moderating team, and the community in general. The next time, i'll just show you the door and remind you not to hit it on your way out.

I have reviewed the threads and I agree with the moderating decision. I also believe that most members agree with the decision.

jiaxun, you can argue all you want, but perhaps its wiser to start looking at yourself first. The only laughing stock here is you.

I guess TS should beware on what you said before you posting to threaten for the admin.

You as a member to join at there without paying one cent.

Frankly speaking, if you decide you won't come to surf Lowyat.Net anymore. I can say about that you are not so important because your appear won't affect so much for the whole community.

Sorry for my lousy english!

Dude,

It is all about respect. You should have perhaps tone down your 'voice' first and speak nicely with the respective mods.

There are few thousands surfers here who doesn't bother what you trying to say to implicate the mods / staffs / admins. We will continue to surf LYN like nothing happen as the mods here all have done a good job

If you decide not to surf LYN no more then it's all up to you and it won't hurt LYN a bit.

jiaxun,

A: Limewire is the best software for me...
B: I cant live without limewire because its the best software....

u get what i mean? both threads are definitely the same....just the way ppl reply are not same....

im agreed with mods...

It's easy anyway, if TS can gather both posters from the both threads and especially the specific thread starters to agree with him, than there might be a case.
If not, it seems to me like public enemy no1.

Thread Starter,

I expected a polite tone from you. If you did you might have gained some respect (as the old saying goes - give and take respect). I was traumatised by the statements. If they did wrong , there is a proper way to state it. You sounded like the staffer/moderator had committed a big offence and you are seeking justice in order to restore balance

Well , the admins have pointed it out and have clearly said that if you think that we (the moderator) have done something wrong. Then you can bring this issue up to the admins so that they can take action against the staff members or the moderating crew. Judging from the two threads , there isn't anything wrong with the moderator locking down the thread. The former topic (the one that got locked down) is pretty much like a Kopitiam style thread on a computer sub-section , plus we do have another similar thread as well. That is why the staff member locked it down as there is another thread which is still similar in nature (which is asking users feedback on softwares that they use [ (top 5 in other words software that you can't live without) ]

i have to agree that is two different topic

The best software is judge by the amount of ppl prefer to use ( Firefox example but u can live without it )

Software you cant live without are software for particular person ( if ure an ipod user u love your ipod u cant live without itunes because tats the only way to transfer your song and managing.

TS abit rude accuse the moderator and admin team but in future i suggest if possible can the admins and moderator pm the thread starter why it is close and ask for explaination if any thru pm. It might offend some people but with a clear explaination the person will understand why.


TS they might be wrong or right but it doesnt give u the right to scold and accuse ppl right?

at first glance i would have also closed the thread, but this obnoxious little troll actually has a valid argument.

it's really a difference in interpretation rather than learning to read nor the proper or improper wielding of power and that would have been subject to the intent of the original tread starter or the first post being been worded better.

top 5 softwares could have been the of 2008, 2007 or last month etc

softwares you can't live without would differ from user to user depending on, say, job function. eg. graphic designer would not be able to live without their photoshops, painter (windows) or xara, krita, GIMP (nix) while programmers can't live without their VStudio, borland c++, python, GTK etc.

still im with fariz, what the hell got you so worked up? ever heard of manners boyo?

I'm going to go ahead and close this.

Jiaxun, reopen only if you actually want to seek a solution to the problem and can post in a respectful and constructive manner. Otherwise, take your sand pounding elsewhere.

If the TS of the closed thread(or the one that was left open, or anyone else actually) wants to bring this case up, start a new thread and it'll be discussed there.