Hi, i've just completed my final exams in June 08. I was doing a degree in Electrical and Electronics. My graduation will be on September. I was just wondering is it worth to do Masters or is it better to work first? My lecturers said that this is the worst time to find jobs due to the bad economy crisis.
I did my internship in Freescale last year and i thought of applying there. I have also applied for so many jobs through jobstreet. Besides that, i also applied for a few scholarships to do Masters.
Btw, my aunt knew someone in Cadbury and i got an interview. However, i am still doubtful whether i should accept the interview because i was told that i will be with a project engineer all the while and it seems to me it is an internship. It is a contract for 3-6 months. Furthermore, if i am not mistaken, this is more towards the food business. My degree is highly related to semiconductor.
Therefore, my worry is lets say if i take a job and i get a better job later, it's not that easy to quit right? MNC companies normally will accept fresh grads or do they give us training before accepting us? One more thing, is it better to be in the designing team or production team?
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
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Exactly like me. I'm going to finish my internship at Freescale tomorrow. 
I better save this thread and read it later on. And don't forget to update me with what you done after this.
Exactly like me. I'm going to finish my internship at Freescale tomorrow. I better save this thread and read it later on. And don't forget to update me with what you done after this.
Yes, maybe your lecturer is right. You could continue ur master, PHD then 2nd degree. Maybe the economy might be better by then 
QUOTE(LaiN87 @ Jul 3 2008, 01:37 PM)
^ Exactly like me. I'm going to finish my internship at Freescale tomorrow. I better save this thread and read it later on. And don't forget to update me with what you done after this.
Exactly like me. I'm going to finish my internship at Freescale tomorrow. I better save this thread and read it later on. And don't forget to update me with what you done after this.haha, which department are u in? That means u haven't completed ur studies right?
If you plan to work in Malaysia... don't take Masters... How often you see in the papers where they required Masters in EE... I only see 2-3 but most of them are Super BIG companies... imagine if there are 100ppl going for the interview just for one position...
but if you don't want to work in Malaysia then The Masters or PHD would help.. at least you have the edge in the western countries
but if you don't want to work in Malaysia then The Masters or PHD would help.. at least you have the edge in the western countries
QUOTE(kwl @ Jul 3 2008, 01:40 PM)
Yes, maybe your lecturer is right. You could continue ur master, PHD then 2nd degree. Maybe the economy might be better by then
But is it worth doing masters? The salary should be 200-300 more than a fresh graduate. Let's say after doing masters and some other engineering field is more interesting, then it is a waste right?
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:45 PM)
haha, which department are u in? That means u haven't completed ur studies right?
Haven't =P Next year April I'll be finishing. Maybe I should get your MSN later on. =) I'm currently in MSG dept. Never went in production or testing line even once. Lolz
QUOTE(heseoh @ Jul 3 2008, 01:45 PM)
If you plan to work in Malaysia... don't take Masters... How often you see in the papers where they required Masters in EE... I only see 2-3 but most of them are Super BIG companies... imagine if there are 100ppl going for the interview just for one position...
but if you don't want to work in Malaysia then The Masters or PHD would help.. at least you have the edge in the western countries
but if you don't want to work in Malaysia then The Masters or PHD would help.. at least you have the edge in the western countries
Yea, i had the same idea. Masters don't seem to be so important here for fresh grad. My plan is to work first and after a few years hopefully i can be transfered to overseas. Then i will do MBA with the experience i have. I think that is worth it.
QUOTE(kwl @ Jul 3 2008, 01:40 PM)
Yes, maybe your lecturer is right. You could continue ur master, PHD then 2nd degree. Maybe the economy might be better by then
If you're trying to be sarcastic, do it elsewhere. If you aren't i don't think it's wise at all. Having so many academic qualification with no job experience is basically useless.
It is not useless to have master, phd and 2nd degree.
With those kind of qualification its easy to go into lecturing and doing research for any university.
With those kind of qualification its easy to go into lecturing and doing research for any university.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:34 PM)
Hi, i've just completed my final exams in June 08. I was doing a degree in Electrical and Electronics. My graduation will be on September. I was just wondering is it worth to do Masters or is it better to work first? My lecturers said that this is the worst time to find jobs due to the bad economy crisis.
I did my internship in Freescale last year and i thought of applying there. I have also applied for so many jobs through jobstreet. Besides that, i also applied for a few scholarships to do Masters.
I did my internship in Freescale last year and i thought of applying there. I have also applied for so many jobs through jobstreet. Besides that, i also applied for a few scholarships to do Masters.
I have a degree in E&E too, i did my internship in Freescale R&D department too. I wonder are we in the same uni/college haha. But i graduated last June.
I will say that be prepared that most companies are cutting down on cost so the jobs are obviously lesser. However, there are certainly companies that are hiring. Just keep trying and you will get one. The main question is will you get something that you want.
I was thinking of doing masters as well and probably can get a scholarship but I didn't do it. reason? I don't see a point doing Master in engineering if i were to work in Malaysia in the engineering line. I have exp the life of an engineer in freescale and that is definitely not what i wanted in life. Hence, I did not pursue Msc. however i am more interested to get master in business/finance than eng. I dont see a future doing engineering in malaysia. Reason? I did a lot of design work and the eng jobs offered here are mostly manufacturing. Only a couple of comp are doing design work. The pay of an eng in Malaysia is also pathetic to me. you will probably ask me why i took eng.....it is because of scholarship
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:34 PM)
Btw, my aunt knew someone in Cadbury and i got an interview. However, i am still doubtful whether i should accept the interview because i was told that i will be with a project engineer all the while and it seems to me it is an internship. It is a contract for 3-6 months. Furthermore, if i am not mistaken, this is more towards the food business. My degree is highly related to semiconductor.
Therefore, my worry is lets say if i take a job and i get a better job later, it's not that easy to quit right? MNC companies normally will accept fresh grads or do they give us training before accepting us? One more thing, is it better to be in the designing team or production team?
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
Therefore, my worry is lets say if i take a job and i get a better job later, it's not that easy to quit right? MNC companies normally will accept fresh grads or do they give us training before accepting us? One more thing, is it better to be in the designing team or production team?
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
First question is why is there a contract of 3~6 months? Are they bonding you or whatsoever? An engineer grad can probably go anywhere, if i were you, i am more than glad that i am in a business line than a semicon line. heard of moore's law? haha, i believe that semicon is going down though.
You can always get a better job after you started working. You can always leave easily, most of the comp allows employees to leave within 1 week during probation. After confirmation, probably 1 month. However, if you are really good enough, the other comp that wants to hire you will either "buy u out" or wait for u for a month. So no worries about quitting after joining one comp. UNLESS YOU ARE BONDED!!!! So becareful with the agreements.
Different companies practice different things. I am working in a MNC, they usually take in freshies more than exp. However, some comp takes more exp than freshies too! it really depends on comp, demand and you skills. Well, some companies give training and some don't and it greatly depends on your job function as well. Training can be on-the-job or classroom training, it really depends. Rich companies can afford classroom trainings. no are no certain answers to these questions.
Production of designing team? For me, i hate production, day in day out same task, and the worst is 24hrs standby, boring job to me. Again, it depends on what do you want here.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:34 PM)
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
With a master you can probably fetch a few hundreds dollar more as compare to a degree holder. However, you are a few years older too! For me, if family is rich and you dont need to work to pay for the dues, by all means study. Alternatively, work and then decide what MASTERS will benefit you the most.
Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:34 PM)
Hi, i've just completed my final exams in June 08. I was doing a degree in Electrical and Electronics. My graduation will be on September. I was just wondering is it worth to do Masters or is it better to work first? My lecturers said that this is the worst time to find jobs due to the bad economy crisis.
I did my internship in Freescale last year and i thought of applying there. I have also applied for so many jobs through jobstreet. Besides that, i also applied for a few scholarships to do Masters.
Btw, my aunt knew someone in Cadbury and i got an interview. However, i am still doubtful whether i should accept the interview because i was told that i will be with a project engineer all the while and it seems to me it is an internship. It is a contract for 3-6 months. Furthermore, if i am not mistaken, this is more towards the food business. My degree is highly related to semiconductor.
Therefore, my worry is lets say if i take a job and i get a better job later, it's not that easy to quit right? MNC companies normally will accept fresh grads or do they give us training before accepting us? One more thing, is it better to be in the designing team or production team?
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
I did my internship in Freescale last year and i thought of applying there. I have also applied for so many jobs through jobstreet. Besides that, i also applied for a few scholarships to do Masters.
Btw, my aunt knew someone in Cadbury and i got an interview. However, i am still doubtful whether i should accept the interview because i was told that i will be with a project engineer all the while and it seems to me it is an internship. It is a contract for 3-6 months. Furthermore, if i am not mistaken, this is more towards the food business. My degree is highly related to semiconductor.
Therefore, my worry is lets say if i take a job and i get a better job later, it's not that easy to quit right? MNC companies normally will accept fresh grads or do they give us training before accepting us? One more thing, is it better to be in the designing team or production team?
Is Masters really useful now, or should i gain some experience in a related field and pursue it? I plan to do MBA later, but that will be few years from now, since experience is needed.
Really would appreciate if someone could advise me on this. Thank you.
Come to join in automation field. It is demand now for Project Engineer. Salary more than 3k...
My company wanna employ engineer:
Humach Engineering (M) Sdn Bhd
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:49 PM)
Yea, i had the same idea. Masters don't seem to be so important here for fresh grad. My plan is to work first and after a few years hopefully i can be transfered to overseas. Then i will do MBA with the experience i have. I think that is worth it.
1) I don't know how long it takes to do a Masters, but in UK it takes an extra year. If you're capable financially and your interest is in E&E, do it. In the near future, Masters will be the degree we see now, especially when you move oversea.
Also, don't forget a Masters contributes to your chartership in the future.
2) We plan all the time, sometimes things go according to plan but a lot of times they don't. What you need to make sure if you are putting yourself in a strong position, what seems good now may not be good in 5 years time.
3) Unless if you are in a senior management position or in consultancy, an MBA wouldn't do much good to you, much less if the MBA is from a sub standard university.
4) It's always easy for people to say they will do a part time study in the future, in 5 years time, you could have started a family and you could be living a comfortable life. Do you think you can still work hard by then when you have to divert your attention around so many things?
Try doing this when you start working. After you get back to home everyday, read a proper factual book for 1 to 1 1/2 hours and double the reading hours during weekends. This period of time is usually what someone needs in order to study. If you can keep up with this for half a year, then you have less to worry about when you need to study part time, else, do something or forget about it.
I believe in UK when u add another year, u will be given an MEng and not Msc. Correct me if i`m wrong. Msc usually takes 1.5 years or more.
Haha, true, dont plan too much when you dont walk the talk!
yeah, MBA is only good if you are doing MANAGEMENT stuffs..its name explained itself, Master in Business Admin. You can mix and match ur degree with what do you have it mind as your career goal. Top up with a finance degree if you want to work in a banking line. I have a friend who top an engineering degree with childcare qualification.
Haha, true, dont plan too much when you dont walk the talk!
yeah, MBA is only good if you are doing MANAGEMENT stuffs..its name explained itself, Master in Business Admin. You can mix and match ur degree with what do you have it mind as your career goal. Top up with a finance degree if you want to work in a banking line. I have a friend who top an engineering degree with childcare qualification.
Just study. No regret one. You'll move up career ladder faster
QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 3 2008, 05:14 PM)
I have a degree in E&E too, i did my internship in Freescale R&D department too. I wonder are we in the same uni/college haha. But i graduated last June.
I will say that be prepared that most companies are cutting down on cost so the jobs are obviously lesser. However, there are certainly companies that are hiring. Just keep trying and you will get one. The main question is will you get something that you want.
I was thinking of doing masters as well and probably can get a scholarship but I didn't do it. reason? I don't see a point doing Master in engineering if i were to work in Malaysia in the engineering line. I have exp the life of an engineer in freescale and that is definitely not what i wanted in life. Hence, I did not pursue Msc. however i am more interested to get master in business/finance than eng. I dont see a future doing engineering in malaysia. Reason? I did a lot of design work and the eng jobs offered here are mostly manufacturing. Only a couple of comp are doing design work. The pay of an eng in Malaysia is also pathetic to me. you will probably ask me why i took eng.....it is because of scholarship
First question is why is there a contract of 3~6 months? Are they bonding you or whatsoever? An engineer grad can probably go anywhere, if i were you, i am more than glad that i am in a business line than a semicon line. heard of moore's law? haha, i believe that semicon is going down though.
You can always get a better job after you started working. You can always leave easily, most of the comp allows employees to leave within 1 week during probation. After confirmation, probably 1 month. However, if you are really good enough, the other comp that wants to hire you will either "buy u out" or wait for u for a month. So no worries about quitting after joining one comp. UNLESS YOU ARE BONDED!!!! So becareful with the agreements.
Different companies practice different things. I am working in a MNC, they usually take in freshies more than exp. However, some comp takes more exp than freshies too! it really depends on comp, demand and you skills. Well, some companies give training and some don't and it greatly depends on your job function as well. Training can be on-the-job or classroom training, it really depends. Rich companies can afford classroom trainings. no are no certain answers to these questions.
Production of designing team? For me, i hate production, day in day out same task, and the worst is 24hrs standby, boring job to me. Again, it depends on what do you want here.
With a master you can probably fetch a few hundreds dollar more as compare to a degree holder. However, you are a few years older too! For me, if family is rich and you dont need to work to pay for the dues, by all means study. Alternatively, work and then decide what MASTERS will benefit you the most.
Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
I will say that be prepared that most companies are cutting down on cost so the jobs are obviously lesser. However, there are certainly companies that are hiring. Just keep trying and you will get one. The main question is will you get something that you want.
I was thinking of doing masters as well and probably can get a scholarship but I didn't do it. reason? I don't see a point doing Master in engineering if i were to work in Malaysia in the engineering line. I have exp the life of an engineer in freescale and that is definitely not what i wanted in life. Hence, I did not pursue Msc. however i am more interested to get master in business/finance than eng. I dont see a future doing engineering in malaysia. Reason? I did a lot of design work and the eng jobs offered here are mostly manufacturing. Only a couple of comp are doing design work. The pay of an eng in Malaysia is also pathetic to me. you will probably ask me why i took eng.....it is because of scholarship
First question is why is there a contract of 3~6 months? Are they bonding you or whatsoever? An engineer grad can probably go anywhere, if i were you, i am more than glad that i am in a business line than a semicon line. heard of moore's law? haha, i believe that semicon is going down though.
You can always get a better job after you started working. You can always leave easily, most of the comp allows employees to leave within 1 week during probation. After confirmation, probably 1 month. However, if you are really good enough, the other comp that wants to hire you will either "buy u out" or wait for u for a month. So no worries about quitting after joining one comp. UNLESS YOU ARE BONDED!!!! So becareful with the agreements.
Different companies practice different things. I am working in a MNC, they usually take in freshies more than exp. However, some comp takes more exp than freshies too! it really depends on comp, demand and you skills. Well, some companies give training and some don't and it greatly depends on your job function as well. Training can be on-the-job or classroom training, it really depends. Rich companies can afford classroom trainings. no are no certain answers to these questions.
Production of designing team? For me, i hate production, day in day out same task, and the worst is 24hrs standby, boring job to me. Again, it depends on what do you want here.
With a master you can probably fetch a few hundreds dollar more as compare to a degree holder. However, you are a few years older too! For me, if family is rich and you dont need to work to pay for the dues, by all means study. Alternatively, work and then decide what MASTERS will benefit you the most.
Just my 2 cents, hope it helps.
Wow, u really answered every part of my question. Thanks a lot!
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:25 pm
QUOTE(Stephen80 @ Jul 3 2008, 06:50 PM)
Come to join in automation field. It is demand now for Project Engineer. Salary more than 3k...
My company wanna employ engineer:
Humach Engineering (M) Sdn Bhd
My company wanna employ engineer:
Humach Engineering (M) Sdn Bhd
i'm a fresh grad, sure can't reach 3k.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:31 pm
QUOTE(Geminist @ Jul 3 2008, 07:36 PM)
1) I don't know how long it takes to do a Masters, but in UK it takes an extra year. If you're capable financially and your interest is in E&E, do it. In the near future, Masters will be the degree we see now, especially when you move oversea.
Also, don't forget a Masters contributes to your chartership in the future.
2) We plan all the time, sometimes things go according to plan but a lot of times they don't. What you need to make sure if you are putting yourself in a strong position, what seems good now may not be good in 5 years time.
3) Unless if you are in a senior management position or in consultancy, an MBA wouldn't do much good to you, much less if the MBA is from a sub standard university.
4) It's always easy for people to say they will do a part time study in the future, in 5 years time, you could have started a family and you could be living a comfortable life. Do you think you can still work hard by then when you have to divert your attention around so many things?
Try doing this when you start working. After you get back to home everyday, read a proper factual book for 1 to 1 1/2 hours and double the reading hours during weekends. This period of time is usually what someone needs in order to study. If you can keep up with this for half a year, then you have less to worry about when you need to study part time, else, do something or forget about it.
Also, don't forget a Masters contributes to your chartership in the future.
2) We plan all the time, sometimes things go according to plan but a lot of times they don't. What you need to make sure if you are putting yourself in a strong position, what seems good now may not be good in 5 years time.
3) Unless if you are in a senior management position or in consultancy, an MBA wouldn't do much good to you, much less if the MBA is from a sub standard university.
4) It's always easy for people to say they will do a part time study in the future, in 5 years time, you could have started a family and you could be living a comfortable life. Do you think you can still work hard by then when you have to divert your attention around so many things?
Try doing this when you start working. After you get back to home everyday, read a proper factual book for 1 to 1 1/2 hours and double the reading hours during weekends. This period of time is usually what someone needs in order to study. If you can keep up with this for half a year, then you have less to worry about when you need to study part time, else, do something or forget about it.
One of the problem is i can't tell whether E&E is my exact interest. Under E&E there are so many more specialization such as control, embedded systems and system on silicons. I'm also worried that if i work in a company which is not related to what i studied, it is a waste. Would it be advisable to work first and may be find the particular interest and do Masters in that field?
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm
QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 3 2008, 08:01 PM)
I believe in UK when u add another year, u will be given an MEng and not Msc. Correct me if i`m wrong. Msc usually takes 1.5 years or more.
Haha, true, dont plan too much when you dont walk the talk!
yeah, MBA is only good if you are doing MANAGEMENT stuffs..its name explained itself, Master in Business Admin. You can mix and match ur degree with what do you have it mind as your career goal. Top up with a finance degree if you want to work in a banking line. I have a friend who top an engineering degree with childcare qualification.
Haha, true, dont plan too much when you dont walk the talk!
yeah, MBA is only good if you are doing MANAGEMENT stuffs..its name explained itself, Master in Business Admin. You can mix and match ur degree with what do you have it mind as your career goal. Top up with a finance degree if you want to work in a banking line. I have a friend who top an engineering degree with childcare qualification.
MEng is the more general Masters. Msc is specified. I think.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 10:24 PM)
Wow, u really answered every part of my question. Thanks a lot!
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:25 pm
i'm a fresh grad, sure can't reach 3k.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:31 pm
One of the problem is i can't tell whether E&E is my exact interest. Under E&E there are so many more specialization such as control, embedded systems and system on silicons. I'm also worried that if i work in a company which is not related to what i studied, it is a waste. Would it be advisable to work first and may be find the particular interest and do Masters in that field?
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm
MEng is the more general Masters. Msc is specified. I think.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:25 pm
i'm a fresh grad, sure can't reach 3k.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:31 pm
One of the problem is i can't tell whether E&E is my exact interest. Under E&E there are so many more specialization such as control, embedded systems and system on silicons. I'm also worried that if i work in a company which is not related to what i studied, it is a waste. Would it be advisable to work first and may be find the particular interest and do Masters in that field?
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm
MEng is the more general Masters. Msc is specified. I think.
1)It is definitely worthwhile for you to explore around the options before taking up a more specialised Masters degree. However as pointed out earlier, you have to make sure that you will have the determination to work and study at the same time.
I am doing part time study currently and my opinoin is you will need a lot of determination. Coming home tired at 6.30pm, including dinner, showers etc leave you about 2.30 hours free time to do something where 1.30 hours of it would end up with you studying. Also, don't forget you'll lose quite a few of your weekends as well by studying part time. As long as you are aware of all these, then do your Masters later. However, if you don't think you can keep up with it, you might as well do a Masters now then have nothing in 10 years time.
2) I'm sure you're aware of this, but a part time Masters can also take up to 3 years to do.
3) As far as I understand, it's one year for both MSc. and MEng. Personally I would steer clear from MEng. considering there are some issues regarding it's recognition.
QUOTE(Geminist @ Jul 4 2008, 01:04 AM)
1)It is definitely worthwhile for you to explore around the options before taking up a more specialised Masters degree. However as pointed out earlier, you have to make sure that you will have the determination to work and study at the same time.
I am doing part time study currently and my opinoin is you will need a lot of determination. Coming home tired at 6.30pm, including dinner, showers etc leave you about 2.30 hours free time to do something where 1.30 hours of it would end up with you studying. Also, don't forget you'll lose quite a few of your weekends as well by studying part time. As long as you are aware of all these, then do your Masters later. However, if you don't think you can keep up with it, you might as well do a Masters now then have nothing in 10 years time.
2) I'm sure you're aware of this, but a part time Masters can also take up to 3 years to do.
3) As far as I understand, it's one year for both MSc. and MEng. Personally I would steer clear from MEng. considering there are some issues regarding it's recognition.
I am doing part time study currently and my opinoin is you will need a lot of determination. Coming home tired at 6.30pm, including dinner, showers etc leave you about 2.30 hours free time to do something where 1.30 hours of it would end up with you studying. Also, don't forget you'll lose quite a few of your weekends as well by studying part time. As long as you are aware of all these, then do your Masters later. However, if you don't think you can keep up with it, you might as well do a Masters now then have nothing in 10 years time.
2) I'm sure you're aware of this, but a part time Masters can also take up to 3 years to do.
3) As far as I understand, it's one year for both MSc. and MEng. Personally I would steer clear from MEng. considering there are some issues regarding it's recognition.
May i know what type of Masters are you pursuing? Yup, part time will never be easy.
At first, I also have the thought of doing a part time master in engineering.
But somehow, I'm afraid that I couldn't find the equilibrium point between job and study.
But somehow, I'm afraid that I couldn't find the equilibrium point between job and study.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 10:24 PM)
Wow, u really answered every part of my question. Thanks a lot!
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:25 pm
i'm a fresh grad, sure can't reach 3k.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:31 pm
One of the problem is i can't tell whether E&E is my exact interest. Under E&E there are so many more specialization such as control, embedded systems and system on silicons. I'm also worried that if i work in a company which is not related to what i studied, it is a waste. Would it be advisable to work first and may be find the particular interest and do Masters in that field?
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm
MEng is the more general Masters. Msc is specified. I think.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:25 pm
i'm a fresh grad, sure can't reach 3k.
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:31 pm
One of the problem is i can't tell whether E&E is my exact interest. Under E&E there are so many more specialization such as control, embedded systems and system on silicons. I'm also worried that if i work in a company which is not related to what i studied, it is a waste. Would it be advisable to work first and may be find the particular interest and do Masters in that field?
Added on July 3, 2008, 10:33 pm
MEng is the more general Masters. Msc is specified. I think.
Who told you that a fresh cant fetch 3k?
Yeah, i wouldnt do MEng too, due to the same reason. I heard that MEng is easier as well..
QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 4 2008, 10:55 AM)
Who told you that a fresh cant fetch 3k?
Yeah, i wouldnt do MEng too, due to the same reason. I heard that MEng is easier as well..
Yeah, i wouldnt do MEng too, due to the same reason. I heard that MEng is easier as well..
seems like the highest a fresh grad can get is around 2.8k. Usually around 2-2.5k from the survey i did
3k undertable work it is?
3k is easily reachable dude..... if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..
. if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..
QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 4 2008, 04:52 PM)
3k is easily reachable dude..... if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..
. if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..nice amount..but im still wondering fresh grad can fetch 6k@12k..
which cmpny can generate a lot of money to fresh grad
QUOTE(podgie @ Jul 4 2008, 08:23 PM)
nice amount..but im still wondering fresh grad can fetch 6k@12k..
which cmpny can generate a lot of money to fresh grad
which cmpny can generate a lot of money to fresh grad
yea, i'm very curious to know.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 3 2008, 01:46 PM)
But is it worth doing masters? The salary should be 200-300 more than a fresh graduate. Let's say after doing masters and some other engineering field is more interesting, then it is a waste right?
Master degree isn't all about the specificity in one field/topic/area/research.
It isn't about 1 year extra study, 1 extra thesis. Indirectly, you will learn key skills at master level too, e.g. communication skill, appraisal skill, critical thinking, presentation skills, even writing and topic research etc. If degree isn't very much dependent on lecturers, master level is even less dependent on lecturers.
my advise, if you have the opportunity to do Master why not? the market is saturated with degree holder, even for engineering. and a Master degree does distinguished you from the rest. you are true the salary isnt much different, but the progress/time to advance does if you can make use of the master degree and your own skills.
QUOTE(youngkies @ Jul 4 2008, 08:36 PM)
Master degree isn't all about the specificity in one field/topic/area/research.
It isn't about 1 year extra study, 1 extra thesis. Indirectly, you will learn key skills at master level too, e.g. communication skill, appraisal skill, critical thinking, presentation skills, even writing and topic research etc. If degree isn't very much dependent on lecturers, master level is even less dependent on lecturers.
my advise, if you have the opportunity to do Master why not? the market is saturated with degree holder, even for engineering. and a Master degree does distinguished you from the rest. you are true the salary isnt much different, but the progress/time to advance does if you can make use of the master degree and your own skills.
It isn't about 1 year extra study, 1 extra thesis. Indirectly, you will learn key skills at master level too, e.g. communication skill, appraisal skill, critical thinking, presentation skills, even writing and topic research etc. If degree isn't very much dependent on lecturers, master level is even less dependent on lecturers.
my advise, if you have the opportunity to do Master why not? the market is saturated with degree holder, even for engineering. and a Master degree does distinguished you from the rest. you are true the salary isnt much different, but the progress/time to advance does if you can make use of the master degree and your own skills.
But which Masters is worthwhile? Could you recommend some which may be useful?
Silverwave
I am doing Postgraduate Diploma in Engineering, this is purely for my Chartership. I do not have the means to continue my degree after I graduated two years ago.
I am still fiddling with the idea to do a different Masters but have not made up my mind yet.
I am doing Postgraduate Diploma in Engineering, this is purely for my Chartership. I do not have the means to continue my degree after I graduated two years ago.
I am still fiddling with the idea to do a different Masters but have not made up my mind yet.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 4 2008, 08:54 PM)
But which Masters is worthwhile? Could you recommend some which may be useful?
Master in your field of course. MSc of your preferable topic in engineering field.
You won't be allowed to do MSc in chemistry or irrelevant Master degree with your engineering degree.
QUOTE(podgie @ Jul 4 2008, 08:23 PM)
nice amount..but im still wondering fresh grad can fetch 6k@12k..
which cmpny can generate a lot of money to fresh grad
which cmpny can generate a lot of money to fresh grad
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 4 2008, 08:25 PM)
yea, i'm very curious to know.
do some research and "open up your eyes"
QUOTE(youngkies @ Jul 5 2008, 08:30 AM)
Master in your field of course. MSc of your preferable topic in engineering field.
You won't be allowed to do MSc in chemistry or irrelevant Master degree with your engineering degree.
You won't be allowed to do MSc in chemistry or irrelevant Master degree with your engineering degree.
agree, master in your field as it will be easier than switching to something totally new.
Guys, i have carefully considered my options and i think it would be wise to work first to gain some experience.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
I advise you to gain at least 3-4 years working experience first.
After the working experience path, you should able to determine yourself what path you are towards to in your career path. Engineering master is more towards technical perspective & MBA is towards management perspective. I would strongly recommends you to take MBA. The demand of MBA in market is tremendously increasing with varies choices of your career in corporate management level. Whereas engineering master perspective in market is scope down in the market. Mostly corporate that appreciate engineering master is those MNC like intel, AMD, in short semicon industry.
There a a lot professional parties like ACCA, CIM, IR, Dr, top management & senior manager will take MBA course because it provide the business knowledge & management skills.
I always encourage engineers to take up MBA & it helps you to gain the demand in the market.
QUOTE(Gary1981 @ Jul 24 2008, 09:42 AM)
I advise you to gain at least 3-4 years working experience first.
After the working experience path, you should able to determine yourself what path you are towards to in your career path. Engineering master is more towards technical perspective & MBA is towards management perspective. I would strongly recommends you to take MBA. The demand of MBA in market is tremendously increasing with varies choices of your career in corporate management level. Whereas engineering master perspective in market is scope down in the market. Mostly corporate that appreciate engineering master is those MNC like intel, AMD, in short semicon industry.
There a a lot professional parties like ACCA, CIM, IR, Dr, top management & senior manager will take MBA course because it provide the business knowledge & management skills.
I always encourage engineers to take up MBA & it helps you to gain the demand in the market.
After the working experience path, you should able to determine yourself what path you are towards to in your career path. Engineering master is more towards technical perspective & MBA is towards management perspective. I would strongly recommends you to take MBA. The demand of MBA in market is tremendously increasing with varies choices of your career in corporate management level. Whereas engineering master perspective in market is scope down in the market. Mostly corporate that appreciate engineering master is those MNC like intel, AMD, in short semicon industry.
There a a lot professional parties like ACCA, CIM, IR, Dr, top management & senior manager will take MBA course because it provide the business knowledge & management skills.
I always encourage engineers to take up MBA & it helps you to gain the demand in the market.
I agree that MBA is useful. In terms of the job market now, which is the field that is doing well now based on the options i listed above?
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 23 2008, 11:25 PM)
Guys, i have carefully considered my options and i think it would be wise to work first to gain some experience.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
Joining in oil and gas industry definitely has a very promising future. Especially when u got 3 years experience later ur value will be higher and more demanding around the world. Try to looking for upstream field and squeeze inside it.
Nowadays so many people are 'affordable' for degree or master...When u throw a stone in any direction, u can hit someone with a degree or master
So why not come out get working experience and increace ur career value
QUOTE(TellingTheTruth @ Jul 24 2008, 02:02 PM)
Joining in oil and gas industry definitely has a very promising future. Especially when u got 3 years experience later ur value will be higher and more demanding around the world. Try to looking for upstream field and squeeze inside it.
Nowadays so many people are 'affordable' for degree or master...When u throw a stone in any direction, u can hit someone with a degree or master
So why not come out get working experience and increace ur career value
Nowadays so many people are 'affordable' for degree or master...When u throw a stone in any direction, u can hit someone with a degree or master
So why not come out get working experience and increace ur career value
Yup, i agree with u. I only know shell, ranhill and exxonmobil for oil and gas industry and i realize they prefer mechanical engineers compared to electrical/electronics engineers. Any other companies u could recommend to me related to this field? Thanks.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 23 2008, 11:25 PM)
Guys, i have carefully considered my options and i think it would be wise to work first to gain some experience.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
However, i'm caught in another twist now. I've been doing research for the last 2 weeks and i managed to break it down into a few fields.
Semiconductor industry - Most of the companies seem to be in a bad shape ever since the US economy crisis. Many employees are being retrenched. Seem a bit stagnant field to me.
Consultancy - Seems to have good prospects, but it's not easy to get a job since i'm a fresh grad. Besides that, some of the consultancy jobs are not related to engineering at all. For engineering consultancy firms, it looks like they prefer people with experience.
Oil and gas industry - Has the highest salary and a lot of benefits. Looks like it has a very promising future.
Telecommunication industry - It was blooming over the past 2 years, but i don't see anything much bout it now. Perhaps i did not do enough reading.
Anyone has opinions to share with me bout what i've mentioned? Thank you.
yes you are right. join oil n gas for the money. very very bright future. demand can be seen right up to 2050. but as an electronic engineer, very few positions available.
i think the best country to work in is sweden. good salary, good benefits, work life balance, short working hours and good bonus. compared to here, its a welfare state lol!
QUOTE(reconer @ Jul 24 2008, 03:20 PM)
yes you are right. join oil n gas for the money. very very bright future. demand can be seen right up to 2050. but as an electronic engineer, very few positions available.
i think the best country to work in is sweden. good salary, good benefits, work life balance, short working hours and good bonus. compared to here, its a welfare state lol!
i think the best country to work in is sweden. good salary, good benefits, work life balance, short working hours and good bonus. compared to here, its a welfare state lol!
I see. I will lookout for Sweden in the near future
Thanks.
Added on August 1, 2008, 11:42 amguys, i tried applying to shell, petronas, exxonmobil and a few more companies that i can't remember. No reply at all, all sent by e-mail. Is it better to post to them?
I've been applying to most of the big electrical and electronic related companies but i hardly get any reply. On the other hand, when i apply for job to smaller companies, the replies are coming faster. Recently, i got a second interview for a management trainee position. I'm doubtful whether it will be a good choice for me because i don't think what i studied will be applied there. Any advise on this matter guys?
whats your CGPA? since you're fresh, most companies do look into your CGPA. A first class or second class upper from a reputable university will help you a lot
QUOTE(silverwave @ Jul 4 2008, 11:13 AM)
seems like the highest a fresh grad can get is around 2.8k. Usually around 2-2.5k from the survey i did 3k undertable work it is?
3k undertable work it is? seems like u were not doing ur survey very well....do u know EE fresh grad can get 3k+ in malaysia? u can check which companies offer 3k+ in LYN...
i dont think semicond industry is not a good choice for fresh grad rite now....i'm in semicond industry and i believe there r a lot of opportunities for EE fresh grad....
just make sure u r going to the right company....because some semicond companies are losing like hell....
QUOTE(Sp00kY @ Jul 4 2008, 04:52 PM)
3k is easily reachable dude..... if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..
. if you are good enough, there are jobs that pay 6k, 12k for fresh grad too. I am dead serious..no joke..do more survey. i dont talk for the sake of talking, talk based on exp..i think you are not talking based on exp, 3k basic is reachable but not easy. 2k is easy.
QUOTE(kamal007 @ Aug 15 2008, 02:49 PM)
whats your CGPA? since you're fresh, most companies do look into your CGPA. A first class or second class upper from a reputable university will help you a lot
I'm a second class upper. Missed by 5 spots in the results list to get first class
Added on August 20, 2008, 1:18 pm
QUOTE(firvictory7 @ Aug 15 2008, 05:47 PM)
seems like u were not doing ur survey very well....do u know EE fresh grad can get 3k+ in malaysia? u can check which companies offer 3k+ in LYN...
i dont think semicond industry is not a good choice for fresh grad rite now....i'm in semicond industry and i believe there r a lot of opportunities for EE fresh grad....
just make sure u r going to the right company....because some semicond companies are losing like hell....
i dont think semicond industry is not a good choice for fresh grad rite now....i'm in semicond industry and i believe there r a lot of opportunities for EE fresh grad....
just make sure u r going to the right company....because some semicond companies are losing like hell....
Hehe, yea i did some survey and there are some companies paying 3k+. Could u tell me which is the good s/c company to join now? May be i've been looking at the losing like hell ones.
Added on August 20, 2008, 1:20 pm
QUOTE(tr|n|ty @ Aug 15 2008, 06:06 PM)
i think you are not talking based on exp, 3k basic is reachable but not easy. 2k is easy.
Yea, very few companies offer that pay but they expect you to work longer and perform better than those with 2k salary.
Hey forumers, i need some advise here.
I've been applying to so many companies but there are hardly any reply from most of the companies. Many people say it's due to the economy recession. The theory given is economy is bad so most companies are either retaining or retrenching their staffs. Companies are not so interested in hiring new people for the time being. Anybody could give some good advise on how to get a job during this terrible time?
Thank you.
Btw, my mum said if i can't get a job by December, she told me to do Masters.
I've been applying to so many companies but there are hardly any reply from most of the companies. Many people say it's due to the economy recession. The theory given is economy is bad so most companies are either retaining or retrenching their staffs. Companies are not so interested in hiring new people for the time being. Anybody could give some good advise on how to get a job during this terrible time?
Thank you.
Btw, my mum said if i can't get a job by December, she told me to do Masters.
QUOTE(silverwave @ Aug 20 2008, 01:16 PM)
I'm a second class upper. Missed by 5 spots in the results list to get first class
May I know which university/college are you from?
I rather have the system like you rather than a fixed cgpa for degree classes clasification.
QUOTE(den @ Oct 10 2008, 05:33 PM)
May I know which university/college are you from?
I rather have the system like you rather than a fixed cgpa for degree classes clasification.
I rather have the system like you rather than a fixed cgpa for degree classes clasification.
KBU International College. Most UK degrees use degree classification (i think).
QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 10 2008, 03:46 PM)
Hey forumers, i need some advise here.
I've been applying to so many companies but there are hardly any reply from most of the companies. Many people say it's due to the economy recession. The theory given is economy is bad so most companies are either retaining or retrenching their staffs. Companies are not so interested in hiring new people for the time being. Anybody could give some good advise on how to get a job during this terrible time?
Thank you.
Btw, my mum said if i can't get a job by December, she told me to do Masters.
I've been applying to so many companies but there are hardly any reply from most of the companies. Many people say it's due to the economy recession. The theory given is economy is bad so most companies are either retaining or retrenching their staffs. Companies are not so interested in hiring new people for the time being. Anybody could give some good advise on how to get a job during this terrible time?
Thank you.
Btw, my mum said if i can't get a job by December, she told me to do Masters.
recession bad for manufacturing...but might be good for RnD... as manufacturing is directly impacted by current economy cycle, while RnD is aiming next generation market which will be in the market 2-3 years time. This is for deep semicon RnD field... My exp... So go for RnD if you really wanna stay in E&E... But there are lotz of RnD around malaysia, it can be peanut RnD, or very complicated and high tech RnD... so go for high tech RnD... The only good E&E RnD that happened in malaysia is on solid state electronics design... Where some MNC in malaysia are actually doing 35nm process node now... For RF wise, don't go for PCB design, that going to be phased out by China sooner. Go for system on Chip design... But i don't think there is RF SOC work currently doing in Malaysia...
Added on October 14, 2008, 5:01 am
QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 10 2008, 10:39 PM)
KBU International College. Most UK degrees use degree classification (i think).
university might not be a very critical gating to get an interview.. Right now more RnD work is shifted out to Pacific rim. The only think that limit malaysia is engineer resource. Most of the time, there are headcounts but no ppl to fill it up... Some managers might go ahead interview you regardless of what uni u from, and all depend on your interview session performance.
QUOTE(ibmsege @ Oct 14 2008, 04:56 AM)
recession bad for manufacturing...but might be good for RnD... as manufacturing is directly impacted by current economy cycle, while RnD is aiming next generation market which will be in the market 2-3 years time. This is for deep semicon RnD field... My exp... So go for RnD if you really wanna stay in E&E... But there are lotz of RnD around malaysia, it can be peanut RnD, or very complicated and high tech RnD... so go for high tech RnD... The only good E&E RnD that happened in malaysia is on solid state electronics design... Where some MNC in malaysia are actually doing 35nm process node now... For RF wise, don't go for PCB design, that going to be phased out by China sooner. Go for system on Chip design... But i don't think there is RF SOC work currently doing in Malaysia...
Added on October 14, 2008, 5:01 am
university might not be a very critical gating to get an interview.. Right now more RnD work is shifted out to Pacific rim. The only think that limit malaysia is engineer resource. Most of the time, there are headcounts but no ppl to fill it up... Some managers might go ahead interview you regardless of what uni u from, and all depend on your interview session performance.
Added on October 14, 2008, 5:01 am
university might not be a very critical gating to get an interview.. Right now more RnD work is shifted out to Pacific rim. The only think that limit malaysia is engineer resource. Most of the time, there are headcounts but no ppl to fill it up... Some managers might go ahead interview you regardless of what uni u from, and all depend on your interview session performance.
Thanks for the advise. I will try to look in the RnD sector. When u mentioned SOC, it's the virtual cores right?
i think he meant system on Chip design (SOC)
QUOTE(nonadoes @ Oct 14 2008, 02:31 PM)
i think he meant system on Chip design (SOC)
Yea. I learned smtg bout SOC before in a subject called System on Silicons and if i am not mistaken it is where big companies buy the virtual cores and add on functions to it to make a better product. Basically SOC is derived from virtual cores. Correct me if i'm wrong, might have been a bit rusty
QUOTE(silverwave @ Oct 14 2008, 02:38 PM)
Yea. I learned smtg bout SOC before in a subject called System on Silicons and if i am not mistaken it is where big companies buy the virtual cores and add on functions to it to make a better product. Basically SOC is derived from virtual cores. Correct me if i'm wrong, might have been a bit rusty
SOC nothing so complicated. For computing, previously, CPU, memory controller are at seperate chip, right now both memory controller and CPU are on the same die and phase out Front-side Bus. This is one example of SOC. Future chipset is totally integrated into CPU as well. For some measurement device, use to be sensor interface, analog filter, and ADC are on separate chip and connected through PCB. Right now, ppl are making all of them connected on die. That is another way of SOC. Get it?
QUOTE(ibmsege @ Oct 14 2008, 03:31 PM)
SOC nothing so complicated. For computing, previously, CPU, memory controller are at seperate chip, right now both memory controller and CPU are on the same die and phase out Front-side Bus. This is one example of SOC. Future chipset is totally integrated into CPU as well. For some measurement device, use to be sensor interface, analog filter, and ADC are on separate chip and connected through PCB. Right now, ppl are making all of them connected on die. That is another way of SOC. Get it?
Got it, makes sense with the examples. Thanks for clarifying.
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