Azuma-kun
Jun 14 2008, 02:46 AM
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 02:41 AM)
The PM system has been upgraded to incorporate conversations. When you read a message now, other messages in the conversation will also be shown. To help distinguish the current message, the other messages are faded.
This feature should hopefully help you track PMs more easily. And as a bonus to us, it allows us to save storage space (as nested quotes are not necessary anymore), so expect a inbox size upgrade soon
http://wk.doubleukay.com/lowyat/pmconvo.pngAs usual, please post your feedback in the Feedback/Helpdesk section of the forum..
I've checked already. Too many spoiler. But it's a good thing. Really love it.
Joshua_0718
Jun 14 2008, 02:50 AM
Bro wkkay, where is the next and previous button?
holeq
Jun 14 2008, 02:50 AM
Yeah..I like it too..Greet to the admin.
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 02:59 AM
QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jun 14 2008, 04:46 AM)
I've checked already. Too many spoiler. But it's a good thing. Really love it.
Yeah I converted the existing quotes to spoilers, otherwise it becomes very hard to read because the same things keep getting quoted again and again. Do you think it's better without them?
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:02 AM
QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ Jun 14 2008, 04:50 AM)
Bro wkkay, where is the next and previous button?

Which of these do you prefer?
1. "Next unread" button only
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons
Joshua_0718
Jun 14 2008, 03:04 AM
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:02 AM)
Which of these do you prefer?
1. "Next unread" button only
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons
I think the most common number 2 ?
But 'next unread' seems to be a better idea.
temptation1314
Jun 14 2008, 03:06 AM
i choose 2

Edit : I mean number 2...

not both
james2306
Jun 14 2008, 03:07 AM
any reason why my Msgs tab is "-5 New Message(s)" ?
sinclairZX81
Jun 14 2008, 03:07 AM
But this saves memory space? The entire PM seems longer now.
Azuma-kun
Jun 14 2008, 03:08 AM
Yes most common is next and previous. But unread also a good thing eventhough pm is not always keep coming.
The spoiler is really good thing. But previous reply should not be in the spoiler also.
Something like 1st pm reply from receiver, previous message is in the spoiler.
But in 2nd reply from receiver, the 1st reply still in the spoiler. Maybe can remove it. Just leave the 2nd reply only.
Only if u can understand it
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:09 AM
QUOTE(james2306 @ Jun 14 2008, 05:07 AM)
any reason why my Msgs tab is "-5 New Message(s)" ?
Oh shit. fixing that in a bit.
Added on June 14, 2008, 3:16 amQUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Jun 14 2008, 05:07 AM)
But this saves memory space? The entire PM seems longer now.
Each individual PM is shorter because quoting is removed.. and that's what matters to us on our side.
temptation1314
Jun 14 2008, 03:22 AM
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
Joshua_0718
Jun 14 2008, 03:30 AM
QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:22 AM)
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
Not at all..
DjiNn
Jun 14 2008, 04:13 AM
Great stuff.
thanks for the upgrade.
so, the quotes generate more "bandwidth" ?
keith_hjinhoh
Jun 14 2008, 04:20 AM
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:09 AM)
Oh shit. fixing that in a bit.
Added on June 14, 2008, 3:16 amEach individual PM is shorter because quoting is removed.. and that's what matters to us on our side.
I suggest a trim down version of pm... It's unnecessary to see their avatar or siggy inside pm i guess....
If that would reduce the loads of server and save more bandwidth.. Go for it...
mystvearn
Jun 14 2008, 04:45 AM
Anyway to make it smaller? no need to scroll down a lot aside from deleting the messages? I can imagine pm a person with a huge signature
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 04:51 AM
QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jun 14 2008, 06:20 AM)
I suggest a trim down version of pm... It's unnecessary to see their avatar or siggy inside pm i guess....
If that would reduce the loads of server and save more bandwidth.. Go for it...
Considered and accepted. Only the highlighted post will have full signature and details.
Azuma-kun
Jun 14 2008, 04:52 AM
Maybe can make an option to choose how many u want to see in pm.
Maybe 10, 15, 20 replies, so no need to scroll down
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 04:59 AM
You don't have to manually scroll down - it scrolls you to the right spot automatically.
I'm working on limiting the number of messages shown in the page. The longest conversation we have here is 151 messages o.O
aMer
Jun 14 2008, 07:34 AM
QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:22 AM)
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:30 AM)
More like gmail i think

am i right, wKkaY?
mystvearn
Jun 14 2008, 07:59 AM
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 04:59 AM)
You don't have to manually scroll down - it scrolls you to the right spot automatically.
I'm working on limiting the number of messages shown in the page. The longest conversation we have here is 151 messages o.O
if 151 message...better put option: Continue chatting in messenger
jimmylim85
Jun 14 2008, 08:58 AM
I still prefer the previous PM system.
This new version too much of loading time.
- Spoilers making it more troublesome to read the important pm message.
- Previous message is unnecessary to be shown
answered in post #40 -wK
kenji_britney
Jun 14 2008, 09:06 AM
hmm the 'fade' previous message doesn't seem to be working, all my previous messages are not faded.
answered in post #41 -wK
zx7177
Jun 14 2008, 09:32 AM
wait wait .. , the new system automatically saves our sent pm's without adding to the message count ?
why thats awesome xD
answered in post #42 -wK
jimmylim85
Jun 14 2008, 09:46 AM
Prefer the previous system as it's more user friendly. Most important, i can straightaway read my current pm without popping spoiler and previous message appearing in fade mode. Annoying i would say. Hope mods could revert back to previous pm system. Thanks.
AMDAthlon
Jun 14 2008, 09:55 AM
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons
I pick this one.The new PM Features for me is much more neat.
Like this one
< Prev Article Next Article >
kmarc
Jun 14 2008, 10:35 AM
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".
All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!!
However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....
Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random....
answered in post #43 -wK
EnPoiNte
Jun 14 2008, 11:23 AM
Can I suggest to change the "Jump to folder..." to "Move to folder..." which is tagged below the PM message? I think it saves more time and convinience instead of going back and forth to move them (by checking the checkbox)..
Just asking anyway ..
Good job by the way..
-Teddy-
Jun 14 2008, 11:32 AM
It's good to cut down the unnecessary information, like avatar and postcounts. That should save more space.
Nutrex
Jun 14 2008, 11:34 AM
This upgrade does look nicer.
But at the moment, I can't view my sent PM.

Hope this will be fix soon.
And while you're at it, previously when I tried to move my PM to new folder... the PM senders' name will be replaced by mine.

This is fixable right?
answered in post #44 -wK
jack7155
Jun 14 2008, 11:45 AM
QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 14 2008, 10:35 AM)
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".
All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!!
However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....
Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random....

ya, i'm also view the same problem. it includes the msg from others.
means i can view others msg for the reciepient??
answered in post #43 -wK
ZipD
Jun 14 2008, 12:08 PM
The spoiler tags are really confusing. I don't know it this is actually doable, just throwing some ideas around...
1. All conversations are threaded by Nick + Subject i.e. each thread is formatted this way:
<subject>
<nick> <time+date> <body of message>
2. Each 'thread' shows only 1 instance of the avatar of the other person (for ease of recognition + save bandwidth)
3. If PMs containing same subject is sent to multiple users, each user that replies is shown in a separate thread
4. Each separate thread containing the conversations between yourself and user (on the SAME subject) are hidden in a spoiler tag. For example:
QUOTE
[WTA] Suggestions for new PM functionsUserA14Jun08 - 12:00pm Hi, anyone would like to suggest anything for this?
UserB» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
UserB
14Jun08 - 12:01pm Yes I have several suggestions blah blah blah
14Jun08 - 12:02pm more blah blah
UserA
14Jun08 - 12:00pm Ok I'll see what i can do
UserC» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
UserC
14Jun08 - 12:30pm Yeah, I may have a couple, lemme think about it first
UserA
14Jun08 - 12:32pm Alright let me know when you have something
aloy237
Jun 14 2008, 12:52 PM
Just want to clarify - if the other party deletes their parts of the thread - will this be lost ? Does that mean we cannot save the whole thread in case of dispute ? Please confirm. Thanks
answered in post #42 -wK
rayanne
Jun 14 2008, 12:54 PM
i prefer previous pm system. tidy up,no need scroll so much.
now sent folder cant view,lost important information T_T
hope can revert to previous.
or better- give us a option to choose on both, self setting ...
answered in post #40 + #44 -wK
Kamling
Jun 14 2008, 01:24 PM
My sent items is missing too.. But The new Upgraded system is nice.. i prefer a new style. And We must Upgraded their life.. have any skins?
answered in post #45 -wK
fruitie
Jun 14 2008, 01:35 PM
I did see other people's messages. The weird part is I don't know why I can see when the title is not the same.

Anyhow, after I tried again, the message is gone.
Still, it is a dangerous thing.

Hope wKkaY can rectify this as soon as possible, it involves privacy here.
answered in post #43 -wK
ahpaul82
Jun 14 2008, 01:58 PM
I prefer previous PM setting,
how do we use back that setting ?
answered in post #40 -wK
rayfoo
Jun 14 2008, 01:59 PM
i can see other people messages
answered in post #43 -wK
ben_ang
Jun 14 2008, 02:48 PM
well, d spoiler thngy is quite gud, its like after u reply, it will put ur previous message in a spoiler, but putting previous message outside is like abit pointless? since u got all d previous message inside spoiler already..when u wanna view previous message u can just open d spoiler.. can make it more tidy i thnk..
answered in post #40 -wK
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:24 PM
QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 14 2008, 10:58 AM)
1. I still prefer the previous PM system.
2. This new version too much of loading time.
3. Spoilers making it more troublesome to read the important pm message.
4. Previous message is unnecessary to be shown
1. Please try it out for a week and see if you still dislike it.
2. I'll be working on limiting the number of PMs displayed at once, but otherwise it shouldn't be significantly affecting loading time (on a decent computer + broadband connection).
3. The spoilers are there as a stopgap to migrate old quoted-style messages to the new system. If you notice, your new replies aren't quoted (this is to save our diskspace, among other reasons). I can make an option to show you the old system, but for future messages you're not going to see any of the quoted replies. Think about it.
4. If you can remember the context that every message is in, that's good for you. You can simply ignore the previous messages then
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:24 PM
QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 14 2008, 11:06 AM)
hmm the 'fade' previous message doesn't seem to be working, all my previous messages are not faded.
May I ask what browser you're using?
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:26 PM
QUOTE(zx7177 @ Jun 14 2008, 11:32 AM)
wait wait .. , the new system automatically saves our sent pm's without adding to the message count ? why thats awesome xD
Sorta.... it makes use your recipient's message space, so if he deletes it, it's gone from your side too.
Yes, someone could delete all the messages he received if there's a dispute. In the old system, you have a chain of quotes as a form of "backup". But the chain is unverfiable chain as you can put anything into it anyway. I'll have a thought about this concern though.
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:28 PM
QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 14 2008, 12:35 PM)
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".
All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!!
However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....
Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random....

You're right. Damn that was a stupid bug. It's a race condition where for up to 30 seconds, the messages aren't grouped together. They're left in a default group, so you will other peoples messages in that 30 second window if you're fast enough. Apologies.
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:30 PM
QUOTE(Nutrex @ Jun 14 2008, 01:34 PM)
This upgrade does look nicer.
But at the moment, I can't view my sent PM.

Hope this will be fix soon.
And while you're at it, previously when I tried to move my PM to new folder... the PM senders' name will be replaced by mine.

This is fixable right?

I think I've fixed the sent PM viewing.. can you check now?
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 03:46 PM
QUOTE(Kamling @ Jun 14 2008, 03:24 PM)
My sent items is missing too.. But The new Upgraded system is nice.. i prefer a new style. And We must Upgraded their life.. have any skins?
I checked and found that you don't have anything in your Sent Items in the first place. Are you very very sure that you've seen messages in it before? FYI you need to check "save this message" everytime you send a PM, to have a message in your Sent Items folder.
J-Slade
Jun 14 2008, 04:06 PM
Actually it is a great feature. And since the PM inbox has been enlarged recently, I guess people will keep their PMs for quite a while.
I would like to know... how much space does 1 PM actually occupy on the server?
fruitie
Jun 14 2008, 04:14 PM
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:28 PM)
You're right. Damn that was a stupid bug. It's a race condition where for up to 30 seconds, the messages aren't grouped together. They're left in a default group, so you will other peoples messages in that 30 second window if you're fast enough. Apologies.
So, it means we still can view other people's messages but just rare case?
Azuma-kun
Jun 14 2008, 04:16 PM
The faded is not functioning for my maxthon.
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 04:29 PM
QUOTE(J-Slade @ Jun 14 2008, 06:06 PM)
Actually it is a great feature. And since the PM inbox has been enlarged recently, I guess people will keep their PMs for quite a while.
I would like to know... how much space does 1 PM actually occupy on the server?
On disk it's 1.5GB for ~1.5 mil messages.. about 1KB/message.
wKkaY
Jun 14 2008, 04:30 PM
QUOTE(fruitie @ Jun 14 2008, 06:14 PM)
So, it means we still can view other people's messages but just rare case?

It's fixed. Not possible anymore.
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