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Azuma-kun
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 02:41 AM)
The PM system has been upgraded to incorporate conversations. When you read a message now, other messages in the conversation will also be shown. To help distinguish the current message, the other messages are faded.

This feature should hopefully help you track PMs more easily. And as a bonus to us, it allows us to save storage space (as nested quotes are not necessary anymore), so expect a inbox size upgrade soon smile.gif

http://wk.doubleukay.com/lowyat/pmconvo.png

As usual, please post your feedback in the Feedback/Helpdesk section of the forum..
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I've checked already. Too many spoiler. But it's a good thing. Really love it.
Joshua_0718
Bro wkkay, where is the next and previous button? biggrin.gif
holeq
Yeah..I like it too..Greet to the admin. smile.gif
wKkaY
QUOTE(Azuma-kun @ Jun 14 2008, 04:46 AM)
I've checked already. Too many spoiler. But it's a good thing. Really love it.
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Yeah I converted the existing quotes to spoilers, otherwise it becomes very hard to read because the same things keep getting quoted again and again. Do you think it's better without them?
wKkaY
QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ Jun 14 2008, 04:50 AM)
Bro wkkay, where is the next and previous button? biggrin.gif
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Which of these do you prefer?

1. "Next unread" button only
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons
Joshua_0718
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:02 AM)
Which of these do you prefer?

1. "Next unread" button only
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons
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I think the most common number 2 ?

But 'next unread' seems to be a better idea.
temptation1314
i choose 2 smile.gif

Edit : I mean number 2... sweat.gif not both tongue.gif
james2306
any reason why my Msgs tab is "-5 New Message(s)" ?
sinclairZX81
But this saves memory space? The entire PM seems longer now.
Azuma-kun
Yes most common is next and previous. But unread also a good thing eventhough pm is not always keep coming.
The spoiler is really good thing. But previous reply should not be in the spoiler also.
Something like 1st pm reply from receiver, previous message is in the spoiler.
But in 2nd reply from receiver, the 1st reply still in the spoiler. Maybe can remove it. Just leave the 2nd reply only.
Only if u can understand it sweat.gif
wKkaY
QUOTE(james2306 @ Jun 14 2008, 05:07 AM)
any reason why my Msgs tab is  "-5 New Message(s)" ?
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Oh shit. fixing that in a bit.


Added on June 14, 2008, 3:16 am
QUOTE(sinclairZX81 @ Jun 14 2008, 05:07 AM)
But this saves memory space? The entire PM seems longer now.
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Each individual PM is shorter because quoting is removed.. and that's what matters to us on our side.
temptation1314
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
Joshua_0718
QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:22 AM)
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
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Not at all..
DjiNn
Great stuff.

thanks for the upgrade.

so, the quotes generate more "bandwidth" ?
keith_hjinhoh
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:09 AM)
Oh shit. fixing that in a bit.


Added on June 14, 2008, 3:16 amEach individual PM is shorter because quoting is removed.. and that's what matters to us on our side.
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I suggest a trim down version of pm... It's unnecessary to see their avatar or siggy inside pm i guess....

If that would reduce the loads of server and save more bandwidth.. Go for it...
mystvearn
Anyway to make it smaller? no need to scroll down a lot aside from deleting the messages? I can imagine pm a person with a huge signature
wKkaY
QUOTE(keith_hjinhoh @ Jun 14 2008, 06:20 AM)
I suggest a trim down version of pm... It's unnecessary to see their avatar or siggy inside pm i guess....

If that would reduce the loads of server and save more bandwidth.. Go for it...
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Considered and accepted. Only the highlighted post will have full signature and details.
Azuma-kun
Maybe can make an option to choose how many u want to see in pm.
Maybe 10, 15, 20 replies, so no need to scroll down
wKkaY
You don't have to manually scroll down - it scrolls you to the right spot automatically.

I'm working on limiting the number of messages shown in the page. The longest conversation we have here is 151 messages o.O
aMer
QUOTE(temptation1314 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:22 AM)
^so it's become more like "private forum"?
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QUOTE(Joshua_0718 @ Jun 14 2008, 03:30 AM)
Not at all..
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More like gmail i think tongue.gif am i right, wKkaY?
mystvearn
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 04:59 AM)
You don't have to manually scroll down - it scrolls you to the right spot automatically.

I'm working on limiting the number of messages shown in the page. The longest conversation we have here is 151 messages o.O
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if 151 message...better put option: Continue chatting in messenger doh.gif
jimmylim85
I still prefer the previous PM system.

This new version too much of loading time.

- Spoilers making it more troublesome to read the important pm message.
- Previous message is unnecessary to be shown

answered in post #40 -wK
kenji_britney
hmm the 'fade' previous message doesn't seem to be working, all my previous messages are not faded.

answered in post #41 -wK
zx7177
wait wait .. , the new system automatically saves our sent pm's without adding to the message count ?

why thats awesome xD

answered in post #42 -wK
jimmylim85
Prefer the previous system as it's more user friendly. Most important, i can straightaway read my current pm without popping spoiler and previous message appearing in fade mode. Annoying i would say. Hope mods could revert back to previous pm system. Thanks.
AMDAthlon
2. "Prev PM" + "Next PM" buttons

I pick this one.The new PM Features for me is much more neat.

Like this one

< Prev Article Next Article >
kmarc
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".

All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!! shocking.gif

However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....

Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random.... sweat.gif

answered in post #43 -wK
EnPoiNte
Can I suggest to change the "Jump to folder..." to "Move to folder..." which is tagged below the PM message? I think it saves more time and convinience instead of going back and forth to move them (by checking the checkbox)..

Just asking anyway .. blush.gif

Good job by the way.. thumbup.gif
-Teddy-
It's good to cut down the unnecessary information, like avatar and postcounts. That should save more space.
Nutrex
This upgrade does look nicer.

But at the moment, I can't view my sent PM. sweat.gif Hope this will be fix soon.

And while you're at it, previously when I tried to move my PM to new folder... the PM senders' name will be replaced by mine. sweat.gif This is fixable right? tongue.gif

answered in post #44 -wK
jack7155
QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 14 2008, 10:35 AM)
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".

All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!!  shocking.gif

However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....

Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random....  sweat.gif
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ya, i'm also view the same problem. it includes the msg from others. sweat.gif sweat.gif
means i can view others msg for the reciepient?? tongue.gif

answered in post #43 -wK
ZipD
The spoiler tags are really confusing. I don't know it this is actually doable, just throwing some ideas around...

1. All conversations are threaded by Nick + Subject i.e. each thread is formatted this way:
<subject>
<nick>
<time+date> <body of message>

2. Each 'thread' shows only 1 instance of the avatar of the other person (for ease of recognition + save bandwidth)

3. If PMs containing same subject is sent to multiple users, each user that replies is shown in a separate thread

4. Each separate thread containing the conversations between yourself and user (on the SAME subject) are hidden in a spoiler tag. For example:

QUOTE
[WTA] Suggestions for new PM functions
UserA
14Jun08 - 12:00pm Hi, anyone would like to suggest anything for this?

UserB
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


UserC
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


aloy237
Just want to clarify - if the other party deletes their parts of the thread - will this be lost ? Does that mean we cannot save the whole thread in case of dispute ? Please confirm. Thanks

answered in post #42 -wK
rayanne
i prefer previous pm system. tidy up,no need scroll so much.
now sent folder cant view,lost important information T_T
hope can revert to previous.
or better- give us a option to choose on both, self setting ...

answered in post #40 + #44 -wK
Kamling
My sent items is missing too.. But The new Upgraded system is nice.. i prefer a new style. And We must Upgraded their life.. have any skins?

answered in post #45 -wK
fruitie
I did see other people's messages. The weird part is I don't know why I can see when the title is not the same. doh.gif
Anyhow, after I tried again, the message is gone.

Still, it is a dangerous thing. ph34r.gif

Hope wKkaY can rectify this as soon as possible, it involves privacy here. sweat.gif

answered in post #43 -wK
ahpaul82
I prefer previous PM setting,
how do we use back that setting ? sad.gif

answered in post #40 -wK
rayfoo
i can see other people messages tongue.gif

answered in post #43 -wK
ben_ang
well, d spoiler thngy is quite gud, its like after u reply, it will put ur previous message in a spoiler, but putting previous message outside is like abit pointless? since u got all d previous message inside spoiler already..when u wanna view previous message u can just open d spoiler.. can make it more tidy i thnk..

answered in post #40 -wK
wKkaY
QUOTE(jimmylim85 @ Jun 14 2008, 10:58 AM)
1. I still prefer the previous PM system.
2. This new version too much of loading time.
3. Spoilers making it more troublesome to read the important pm message.
4. Previous message is unnecessary to be shown
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1. Please try it out for a week and see if you still dislike it.

2. I'll be working on limiting the number of PMs displayed at once, but otherwise it shouldn't be significantly affecting loading time (on a decent computer + broadband connection).

3. The spoilers are there as a stopgap to migrate old quoted-style messages to the new system. If you notice, your new replies aren't quoted (this is to save our diskspace, among other reasons). I can make an option to show you the old system, but for future messages you're not going to see any of the quoted replies. Think about it.

4. If you can remember the context that every message is in, that's good for you. You can simply ignore the previous messages then smile.gif
wKkaY
QUOTE(kenji_britney @ Jun 14 2008, 11:06 AM)
hmm the 'fade' previous message doesn't seem to be working, all my previous messages are not faded.
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May I ask what browser you're using?
wKkaY
QUOTE(zx7177 @ Jun 14 2008, 11:32 AM)
wait wait .. , the new system automatically saves our sent pm's without adding to the message count ? why thats awesome xD
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Sorta.... it makes use your recipient's message space, so if he deletes it, it's gone from your side too.

Yes, someone could delete all the messages he received if there's a dispute. In the old system, you have a chain of quotes as a form of "backup". But the chain is unverfiable chain as you can put anything into it anyway. I'll have a thought about this concern though.
wKkaY
QUOTE(kmarc @ Jun 14 2008, 12:35 PM)
There's something wrong with the new pm message especially when viewing "Sent Items".
All the messages are faded and ALSO INCLUDES unrelated pm messages from OTHER FORUMERS (not meant for me)!!!!  shocking.gif
However, if I click on the messages again, it disappears, only showing the proper messages....
Hope admin can correct this problem ASAP as we will be viewing other forumers pm at random....  sweat.gif
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You're right. Damn that was a stupid bug. It's a race condition where for up to 30 seconds, the messages aren't grouped together. They're left in a default group, so you will other peoples messages in that 30 second window if you're fast enough. Apologies.
wKkaY
QUOTE(Nutrex @ Jun 14 2008, 01:34 PM)
This upgrade does look nicer.
But at the moment, I can't view my sent PM.  sweat.gif Hope this will be fix soon.
And while you're at it, previously when I tried to move my PM to new folder... the PM senders' name will be replaced by mine. sweat.gif  This is fixable right?  tongue.gif
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I think I've fixed the sent PM viewing.. can you check now?
wKkaY
QUOTE(Kamling @ Jun 14 2008, 03:24 PM)
My sent items is missing too.. But The new Upgraded system is nice.. i prefer a new style. And We must Upgraded their life.. have any skins?
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I checked and found that you don't have anything in your Sent Items in the first place. Are you very very sure that you've seen messages in it before? FYI you need to check "save this message" everytime you send a PM, to have a message in your Sent Items folder.
J-Slade
Actually it is a great feature. And since the PM inbox has been enlarged recently, I guess people will keep their PMs for quite a while.

I would like to know... how much space does 1 PM actually occupy on the server?
fruitie
QUOTE(wKkaY @ Jun 14 2008, 03:28 PM)
You're right. Damn that was a stupid bug. It's a race condition where for up to 30 seconds, the messages aren't grouped together. They're left in a default group, so you will other peoples messages in that 30 second window if you're fast enough. Apologies.
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So, it means we still can view other people's messages but just rare case? sweat.gif
Azuma-kun
The faded is not functioning for my maxthon.
wKkaY
QUOTE(J-Slade @ Jun 14 2008, 06:06 PM)
Actually it is a great feature. And since the PM inbox has been enlarged recently, I guess people will keep their PMs for quite a while.
I would like to know... how much space does 1 PM actually occupy on the server?
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On disk it's 1.5GB for ~1.5 mil messages.. about 1KB/message.
wKkaY
QUOTE(fruitie @ Jun 14 2008, 06:14 PM)
So, it means we still can view other people's messages but just rare case? sweat.gif
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It's fixed. Not possible anymore.
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