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AMDAthlon
WAH...
I WANT HD 4870 PRICE CUT TOO!!
168257061
cut sampai macam 3870 bagus ni rclxms.gif
xen0
haha at last..just a couple weeks..
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

and WE WIN!!

come on 4870..u must join the 'cut-cut price' contest too tongue.gif
OC4/3
QUOTE(ben_panced @ Jul 4 2008, 02:47 PM)
yup now sli mobo users dun need to feel sad coz the gtx 260 price is the same as 4870, tho at stock 4870 pwns 260, but becoz the ocability headroom of the gtx 200 series is greater than 4800 with stock vgpu and vmem, i think the 260 is quite sweet
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I have to agree on this as i am hardcore nvidia fan. laugh.gif We should except cheaper price when G200B come out tongue.gif
KenDiriwan
QUOTE(168257061 @ Jul 4 2008, 09:10 PM)
cut sampai macam 3870 bagus ni rclxms.gif
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KK got sell GTX280 sudah u know kah?
Ezonizs
i hate price cuts wink.gif
snakesolidus
wana ask...
anyone has any idea..how or wat to use for the crysis benchmark test.?

like this video..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=f09ztZASzXE

thanks:)
pikacu
judging from the price cut (<1month?) of nvidia latest product, it means that GeForce GX2 280/higher end product of GT 200 series won't happen anytime soon hmm.gif

@snakesolidus just install crysis smile.gif

tech3910
QUOTE(Ezonizs @ Jul 5 2008, 01:47 AM)
i hate price cuts  wink.gif
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wats wrong wit it?

isn't it good?
sukhoi37
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 5 2008, 02:03 PM)
judging from the price cut (<1month?) of nvidia latest product, it means that GeForce GX2 280/higher end product of GT 200 series won't happen anytime soon hmm.gif

@snakesolidus just install crysis smile.gif
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you mean the price cut won't take effect in local market soon?
nagflar
QUOTE(tech3910 @ Jul 5 2008, 02:25 PM)
wats wrong wit it?

isn't it good?
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when new card price cut . your old Gc value also cut lol
pikacu
QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jul 5 2008, 02:31 PM)
you mean the price cut won't take effect in local market soon?
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err, from my post that u quote,

what i mean is..


take a look at 9 series, when HD3870x2 comes out

nVidia did not bother to pricecut any of their product, but to release 9800GX2 to gain back performance crown

but at their GTX 200 series,

the GTX 200 series launch not yet reach 1 month,

and yet, they just do the price cut, which means, no higher-end product that can compete upcoming HD4870x2 ? time will tell..

p/s: this is my opinion
zeustronic
NVIDIA Predicts Weaker Earnings Due to Defective GPUs, Warns of Lower Sales

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Storm clouds are gathering as NVIDIA faces a reinvigorated competitor

As the old saying goes, when it rains it pours.  NVIDIA was performing beautifully thanks to aggressive pricing and performance of its 8000 series of graphics cards.  It looked poised to leave competitor AMD (formerly ATI) in the dust.  However, the latest round in graphics war has marked a dramatic turnaround with AMD's 4850 and 4870 outperforming NVIDIA's offerings at a lower price. 

While NVIDIA still holds a tenuous grip on the highest end offerings, with its GeForce GTX 280 GPU, this might soon slip, depending on the performance of AMD's dual processor 4870 X2 (R700) card, likely coming in Q3 2008.  Meanwhile, NVIDIA faces challenges from Intel in its low-end and laptop graphics offerings, and from AMD's PUMA chipset/graphics package in the laptop market.

The economic repercussions of NVIDIA's slippage are already visible.  NVIDIA announced yesterday that it was going to turn in revenue of $875 million to $950 million for Q2 2008, which ends July 27.  This is significantly lower than the current analyst expectations of $1.1 billion.

That was not the end of the bad news from NVIDIA either.  It announced that it was facing a massive recall, due to overheating GPUs in notebook computers.  NVIDIA reported higher than average failures in both the laptop GPUs and in laptop chipsets.

NVIDIA said that the chips and their packaging were made with materials that proved to be too "weak".  NVIDIA passes the blame to notebook manufacturers, which it says contributes to the problem.  Typically notebooks have poorer ventilation and components concentrated in a smaller space than desktop computers.

The result of the recalls is that NVIDIA will be taking a onetime charge of $150M USD to $200M USD to cover the damages.  It plans to use the money to repair or replace defective parts.  It also hopes to collect part of the money from insurers it uses.  However, it has acknowledged its problems and switched the materials it uses.

The news has resulted in NVIDIA taking a beating on the stock market, sliding over 25 percent.



Sos Cili
norazwan79
Latest Prices of GTX 280 shakehead.gif
X.E.D
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 5 2008, 02:35 PM)
err, from my post that u quote,

what i mean is..
take a look at 9 series, when HD3870x2 comes out

nVidia did not bother to pricecut any of their product, but to release 9800GX2 to gain back performance crown

but at their GTX 200 series,

the GTX 200 series launch not yet reach 1 month,

and yet, they just do the price cut, which means, no higher-end product that can compete upcoming HD4870x2 ? time will tell..

p/s: this is my opinion
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1. It's pretty obvious that any "GTX290/ULTRA" chip will not outperform a 4870X2 in the majority of tests. So they're not bothering.

2. Maybe they went to the forums and saw that people were utterly sick at the degree of their arrogance, market flooding and one-upsmanship at all costs of users. I wonder if the 8800GTS 512MB guys still have "proper" drivers to use. Hohoho...
Ezonizs
QUOTE(nagflar @ Jul 5 2008, 03:34 PM)
when new card price cut . your old Gc value also cut lol
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thats why sad.gif
mois
nvidia really suck money lor...
pikacu
GTX280/GTX260/9800GTX is having more price cut again : http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=297724

This new pricing will take VERY LONG time to effect M'sia smile.gif
sukhoi37
nice.
those who bought the gtx200 recently really can bang wall. doh.gif
ir1z
QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jul 6 2008, 09:15 AM)
I wonder if the 8800GTS 512MB guys still have "proper" drivers to use. Hohoho...
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well, i am still using the current nvidia vista drivers, hassle free dude..... no prob "at the moment"
jinaun
QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:41 PM)
nice.
those who bought the gtx200 recently really can bang wall. doh.gif
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not necessary...

i'm looking forward for 2nd/3rd card for SLI..LOL
blindbox
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 5 2008, 02:35 PM)
err, from my post that u quote,

what i mean is..
take a look at 9 series, when HD3870x2 comes out

nVidia did not bother to pricecut any of their product, but to release 9800GX2 to gain back performance crown

but at their GTX 200 series,

the GTX 200 series launch not yet reach 1 month,

and yet, they just do the price cut, which means, no higher-end product that can compete upcoming HD4870x2 ? time will tell..

p/s: this is my opinion
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That'll make 4870x2 have the ultimate performance crown. Impressive, but I want nvidia to make a monster with a monstrous price too. It's good for customers laugh.gif .

QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Jul 6 2008, 02:41 PM)
nice.
those who bought the gtx200 recently really can bang wall. doh.gif
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Unless they say RM 200 to RM 400 is nothing (malaysian prices aren't nvidia's retail prices).
JTxj
QUOTE(blindbox @ Jul 6 2008, 04:25 PM)
That'll make 4870x2 have the ultimate performance crown. Impressive, but I want nvidia to make a monster with a monstrous price too. It's good for customers  laugh.gif  .
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Nvidia IS currently still the performance king with the XFX 9800GX2 Black Edition card roaming around.
norazwan79
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 6 2008, 02:24 PM)
GTX280/GTX260/9800GTX is having more price cut again : http://forums.vr-zone.com/showthread.php?t=297724

This new pricing will take VERY LONG time to effect M'sia smile.gif
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9800 GTX: $165 (S$199) = RM550 ohmy.gif

GTX 260: $222 (S$329) = RM730 shakehead.gif

GTX 280: $392 (S$499) = RM1.3k shocking.gif
AMDAthlon
Wah the price cut so...
But the card not future proof.Why?Becos DirectX 10.1 maybe.
JTxj
QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 6 2008, 05:22 PM)
Wah the price cut so...
But the card not future proof.Why?Becos DirectX 10.1 maybe.
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There is no such thing as future proofing when it comes to Graphic cards. A new one is always announced within 2 months.
AMDAthlon
Yes.But would u buy again??
I mean like for those who want a permanent.Not an easy upgrade user.
Those user that want a computer that last for x years and no upgrade.If GTX 2xx is using DX10 and then comes again GTX200b with support of DX10.1 the user have to buy again the GC which it is unknown the price.
Like current HD 4870 as an example,you dont really have to worry about anything,becos DX 10.1 is already supported.No need to upgrade anytime soon.

Like that i also can buy GTX 280 now.Then re-buy again the future card coming.So good,unless you have a money to do that.
JTxj
QUOTE(AMDAthlon @ Jul 6 2008, 05:37 PM)
Yes.But would u buy again??
I mean like for those who want a permanent.Not an easy upgrade user.
Those user that want a computer that last for x years and no upgrade.If GTX 2xx is using DX10 and then comes again GTX200b with support of DX10.1 the user have to buy again the GC which it is unknown the price.
Like current HD 4870 as an example,you dont really have to worry about anything,becos DX 10.1 is already supported.No need to upgrade anytime soon.

Like that i also can buy GTX 280 now.Then re-buy again the future card coming.So good,unless you have a money to do that.
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Well, the closest thing to future proofing is just to get the latest graphics card. But here's the thing, DX10 is not essential, not until Windows 7 is in effect. The majority still use XP over Vista so whatever graphics card that has been launched within the last year will survive until the end of next year.
X.E.D
QUOTE(norazwan79 @ Jul 6 2008, 05:19 PM)
9800 GTX: $165 (S$199) = RM550  ohmy.gif

GTX 260: $222 (S$329) = RM730  shakehead.gif

GTX 280: $392 (S$499) = RM1.3k  shocking.gif
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That's OEM/AIB pricing la.
norazwan79
QUOTE(X.E.D @ Jul 6 2008, 06:03 PM)
That's OEM/AIB pricing la.
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But it meant nVidia still can get profit even they reduce the price drastically. before this, nVidia untung besar la. Thanks to ATI save us from nVidia.
pikacu
QUOTE(JTxj @ Jul 6 2008, 05:33 PM)
There is no such thing as future proofing when it comes to Graphic cards. A new one is always announced within 2 months.
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Yes there is,
at Q4 2008/Q1 2009, nvidia will adopt DX10.1,55nm and GDDR5 for their new card, buying current GTX200 now is ..<insert your own conclusion>..

QUOTE(JTxj @ Jul 6 2008, 05:53 PM)
Well, the closest thing to future proofing is just to get the latest graphics card. But here's the thing, DX10 is not essential, not until Windows 7 is in effect. The majority still use XP over Vista so whatever graphics card that has been launched within the last year will survive until the end of next year.
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DX10.1 is what DX10 suppose to be, or in other word, DX10.1 is the "real" DX10.

Take note that Windows 7 is base on Vista, so what makes you think Windows 7 will make DX10 essential?
JTxj
Haha, more new cards come out means price drops drastically for everything else, I predict in a year or two, everyone would be running SLI or Crossfire in their machines

QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 6 2008, 09:02 PM)
Take note that Windows 7 is base on Vista, so what makes you think Windows 7 will make DX10 essential?
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Sorry if I got the wrong idea conveyed. I meant that the minor graphical improvement of DX10 in Vista is not so drastic that everyone is required to switch over now (As many can testify + the fact that Vista still contains many problems)

Just stating a personal hope that Windows 7 would be the right time to upgrade since it's very much a Vista v2 where they will *hopefully* get it right, the time that DX10 will truly shine.
ikanayam
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 6 2008, 09:02 PM)
Yes there is,
at Q4 2008/Q1 2009, nvidia will adopt DX10.1,55nm and GDDR5 for their new card, buying current GTX200 now is ..<insert your own conclusion>..
DX10.1 is what DX10 suppose to be, or in other word, DX10.1 is the "real" DX10.

Take note that Windows 7 is base on Vista, so what makes you think Windows 7 will make DX10 essential?
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So explain, why is DX10.1 what DX10 was supposed to be? I want to see evidence, not rumors.
pikacu
QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jul 6 2008, 10:01 PM)
So explain, why is DX10.1 what DX10 was supposed to be? I want to see evidence, not rumors.
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Sorry, there is no evidence but,

From what i read from various source (Wiki,etc),


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX_10#DirectX_10
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/472/Di...aper%20v0.4.pdf

From what I understand, DX10.0 had a buggy AA implementation. DX10.1 fixed that.

The shader/AA bug caused a huge slowdown. DX10.1 gets it back up to speed.

"DirectX 10.1 offers incremental improvements to the programming interface that address limitations of DirectX 10," read bugs "


Taken from this discussion topic at techPowerUp : http://www.techpowerup.com/64456/AMD_ATI_T...rectX_10.1.html

QUOTE(JTxj @ Jul 6 2008, 09:03 PM)
Just stating a personal hope that Windows 7 would be the right time to upgrade since it's very much a Vista v2 where they will *hopefully* get it right, the time that DX10 will truly shine.
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DX10.1 tongue.gif
JTxj
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 6 2008, 10:09 PM)
DX10.1 tongue.gif
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Ok so I missed a .1

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jinaun
well.. i think i read somewhere nvidia can enable DX10.1 features on its DX10 parts via extensions... is that so?
ikanayam
QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 6 2008, 10:09 PM)
Sorry, there is no evidence but,

From what i read from various source (Wiki,etc),


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectX_10#DirectX_10
http://www.pcper.com/images/reviews/472/Di...aper%20v0.4.pdf

From what I understand, DX10.0 had a buggy AA implementation. DX10.1 fixed that.

The shader/AA bug caused a huge slowdown. DX10.1 gets it back up to speed.

"DirectX 10.1 offers incremental improvements to the programming interface that address limitations of DirectX 10," read bugs "


Taken from this discussion topic at techPowerUp : http://www.techpowerup.com/64456/AMD_ATI_T...rectX_10.1.html
DX10.1 tongue.gif
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Exactly, there is no evidence because it's not true. And unlike what the moron there says, limitation != bug. Otherwise you'd have to call all the new versions of DX as simple bugfixes since they... (surprise surprise) add new features.
168257061
is GTX260 a good buy ? unsure.gif
pikacu
QUOTE(ikanayam @ Jul 6 2008, 10:34 PM)
Exactly, there is no evidence because it's not true. And unlike what the moron there says, limitation != bug. Otherwise you'd have to call all the new versions of DX as simple bugfixes since they... (surprise surprise) add new features.
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yeah, no evidence on gaming (AC is excluded...they just accidentally DX10.1-ed their game)

however, DX10.1 features proven at Ray-Tracing rendering

@0168257061 malaysia still at old price of GTX260, before new price takes effect, HD4870 is better buy
168257061
the revised price for GTX260 in RM about how much ? unsure.gif
KenDiriwan
QUOTE(168257061 @ Jul 6 2008, 10:34 PM)
is GTX260 a good buy ? unsure.gif
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260? 280 la tongue.gif

Spotted XFX 1 @ Pacific Ngiu-Kee drool.gif
pikacu
QUOTE(168257061 @ Jul 6 2008, 11:10 PM)
the revised price for GTX260 in RM about how much ? unsure.gif
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same as 4870 price , $299 (RM9xx)
AMDAthlon
If its same better grab 4870??
HD4870 performance is on par GTX 260 or better or abit slower?
168257061
QUOTE(KenDiriwan @ Jul 7 2008, 12:12 AM)
260? 280 la  tongue.gif

Spotted XFX 1 @ Pacific Ngiu-Kee  drool.gif
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lets party up a squad and robe it bruce.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif bruce.gif

QUOTE(pikacu @ Jul 7 2008, 12:14 AM)
same as 4870 price , $299 (RM9xx)
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wow....
quite nice price brows.gif
LExus65
GX260 still have some advantage over the size of graphic card memory, so if u using some very video memory intensive app. GX260 is a better choice....

i understand that DX10.1 have new method of implementing the some advance AA rendering which significant reduces the workload of gpu compare to Dx10, but whether it have something to do with ray tracing or not i not sure about it
pikacu
QUOTE(LExus65 @ Jul 7 2008, 03:13 PM)
GX260 still have some advantage over the size of graphic card memory, so if u using some very video memory intensive app. GX260 is a better choice....

i understand that DX10.1 have new method of implementing the some advance AA rendering which significant reduces the workload of gpu compare to Dx10, but whether it have something to do with ray tracing or not i not sure about it
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if im not mistaken, GTX260 mostly behind to 4870 at high resolution sweat.gif

DX10.1 features/technology enhance ray-tracing rendering time , read it here : http://www.tgdaily.com/content/view/38145/135/
mohamadfazli
Sorry a noobie question... can GTX280 run on a P5Q Deluxe? what if its on SLI?
lytros
Ah..... I see some sellers are already adjusting the pricing for GTX280. Available at RM19XX and such. Now thats good.
riku2replica
let raid some gtx series for ourselves~!!!
rosihan
Nvidia's GTX series soo expensive compare 2 Ati HD4000 series
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