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pikacu
Asus sues Gigabyte for 'defamatory acts'
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The battle of the Taiwan titans rages on but this time, the stakes have been raised as, after a little PR rumble, Asus has announced that it has sued Gigabyte for defamatory acts. It all started with Gigabyte holding a press event in which it made claims and showcased results regarding Asus' energy saving technology centered around the Energy Processing Unit or EPU. Asus responded to Gigabyte's event through a press release last week and today it upped the ante with a new release which reads:

ASUS condemns the defamatory and false accusations raised by our competitor, Gigabyte.

Gigabyte, without a full understanding of ASUS' engineering design and methods, has made false accusations against ASUS motherboards' EPU features and the quality of ASUS' motherboards' components.

Also, in a press briefing presentation, Gigabyte used a photograph with blown-up (exploded) capacitors and led the audience to believe it was an ASUS product, to support its false allegations that ASUS uses questionable quality components. However, the image was found to be taken from a photograph of a VGA card manufactured by another vendor. The action of misrepresenting a third party product to be an ASUS product is truly defamatory and clearly outside the realm of decent competition.

ASUS takes pride in its innovations, which are measured against the highest standards in the industry at all stages of operation - from project development, engineering, manufacturing to service. Through a combination of the best quality-controlled components and processes, ASUS delivers state-of-the art technology breakthroughs to meet customers´ needs. Every breakthrough is the result of huge R&D engineering efforts.

Hence, while it is common to have competition among companies, the use of the above mentioned methods are defamatory and condemnable. ASUS deeply resents Gigabyte's action.

Long story short, Asus has thus decided to report Gigabyte to the Fair Trade Commission of Taiwan and has filed a lawsuit against its competitor. Gigabyte's has yet to respond to the lawsuit.
jiaxun
THIS MEANS WAR!!! brows.gif brows.gif
This issue is getting more and more interesting. I'm sure the loser's reputation will go down the drain...
clayclws
DFI and MSI must be very happy that the can watch by the sidelines.
pikacu
^lol laugh.gif
Biostar even happier..lol
capiche
that apply to abit too!! yay.... rclxm9.gif
BurgerRI
Looks like the gloves are off and now the fights gone to the lawyers....should be more fireworks......haiz, why dun they just working harder on being innovative instead of just being bitter about the competitors products, its a waste of time and money.

Give a guy money and power and he becomes a little kid again...
Thrust
If Gigabyte wins this battle, it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again.
pikacu
QUOTE(Thrust @ May 25 2008, 09:26 AM)
If Gigabyte wins this battle, it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again.
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that is why assus need to play fierce(law) and safe(not to disclose their weakness) at the same time.

i do think gaygaybyte is right about their fact, because if their fact is wrong, assus will bring out their concrete evidence against them, and bring gaygaybyte to the corner of the world.

let see how gaygaybyte response to assus lawsuit hmm.gif
johnkor
Thrust pikacu yeah ! it's gone case for ASUS as people including me will never buy an ASUS MOBO ever again. ! capiche that goes to ASrock , foxconn, and VIA as well! flex.gif !
choyster
yeap if gigabyte win this lawsuit the asus reputation will go down the drain
luqe
All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte..
maybe.....coz of the quality.
well, personally Gigabyte rocks...
allenultra
QUOTE(luqe @ May 25 2008, 07:53 PM)
All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte..
maybe.....coz of the quality.
well, personally Gigabyte rocks...
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Are you sure?
Asus cheaper than Gaygaybyte?

To me, Asus always selling at premium price compared to other brands.
sonic_cd
QUOTE(allenultra @ May 25 2008, 08:56 PM)
Are you sure?
Asus cheaper than Gaygaybyte?

To me, Asus always selling at premium price compared to other brands.
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most exspensive asus board i think rm 2k +
jasonkwk
QUOTE(luqe @ May 25 2008, 07:53 PM)
All the while i saw that Asus is cheaper than Gigabyte..
maybe.....coz of the quality.
well, personally Gigabyte rocks...
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can you specify which Asus model is it?
BurgerRI
Asus premier range of mobo's such as the Republic of Gamers series is considered top of the line and more expense...dont think Gigabyte has that kinda marketing gimic at the moment....hahaha..
gstoh
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 25 2008, 12:33 AM)
Asus sues Gigabyte for 'defamatory acts'
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i feel like asus is talking like an unmatured child doh.gif
don't simply blame what other company said is wrong or false or misunderstand or don't understand.. if that is false.. then show the proofs to prove what the gigagbyte said is wrong.....
what i need is proof.. not just statement
Thunderbolt
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 10:43 PM)
i feel like asus is talking like an unmatured child  doh.gif         
don't simply blame what other company said is wrong or false or misunderstand or don't understand.. if that is false.. then show the proofs to prove what the gigagbyte said is wrong.....
what i need is proof.. not just statement
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You would do the same thing if you were Asus wink.gif
itanium
Field day for both camp fanboys hahahaha.
jasonkwk
QUOTE(itanium @ May 25 2008, 10:54 PM)
Field day for both camp fanboys hahahaha.
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is there any Gigabyte fans here in lowyat ? tongue.gif
cstkl1
dont personally hate gays

but that wont stop me from shooting a bazooka at them if its in my hands in a third world country with no laws when i see them humping each other..

same goes for gaygaybyte lovers or so..

but personally dislike their fae..

tongue.gif
heck do u guys even understand whats going on..
which i think 99 percent of the ppl here has no clue what the topic or the arguement on gigabyte and asus was..

it has nothing to do with the performance which is all fabricated and depends on bioses. early revision of software etc..


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:08 pmwait for the p5q review and unit to come out once the nda is lifted..

i can tell u this
unlike gaygaybyte previous fake pwm and virtual phase etc..

the p5q voltages are awesome with errors of +-0.005-0.001v only

and the EPU 6 engine works..
tested.. retested.. its simply awesome..
even the ai suite now is awesome for noobie overclocking

and the best is yet to come..
only flaw currently is the p5q's dont clock duallies that well yet.. with the early bioses..but clocks the quaddies easily to 490-510 fsb..
gstoh
QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ May 25 2008, 10:47 PM)
You would do the same thing if you were Asus wink.gif
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hehe... nope..
i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser sweat.gif
from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true .
Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong..
it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's
Thunderbolt
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:08 PM)
hehe... nope..
i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser sweat.gif
from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true .
Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong..
it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's
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Your input speaks a million word for Gaygabyte laugh.gif
gstoh
QUOTE(Thunderbolt @ May 25 2008, 11:13 PM)
Your input speaks a million word for Gaygabyte laugh.gif
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I don's mean that rclxm9.gif
I am just at neutral point and that is 3rd person's point of view icon_idea.gif
I would say that because Asus unable to produce solid fact, without solid fact, no matter how the people say, i still will not 100% believe.
cstkl1
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:08 PM)
hehe... nope..
i will rather to be quiet and don't make fuss about this, if i were the loser sweat.gif
from the action taken by Asus, it seems that Asus is the loser, and what gigabyte claimed is true .
Asus make this issue become more and more popular and more people know about it, but Asus unable to produce the fact or proof to claim gigabyte was wrong..
it seems that Asus just hurt its own reputation more than it hurt gigabyte's
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dude i can tell u this

gaygaybyte lost their minds

and ure the same

do u know what this law suite is about or even what gaygaybyte claims are

the problem is
again IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERFORMANCE..

hint hint..
gstoh
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:17 PM)
dude i can tell u this

gaygaybyte lost their minds

and ure the same

do u know what this law suite is about or even what gaygaybyte claims are

the problem is
again IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PERFORMANCE..

hint hint..
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performance of what ? "performance" this word covers a lot of things..
can you specify ?
cstkl1
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:19 PM)
performance of what ? "performance" this word covers a lot of things..
can you specify ?
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haiyo..

ok lets see
what do u understand from this whole debacle

what was the argument about..
share with us..
y did gaygaybyte threw a fit.. and acted all b****y like by influencing editors/reviewers..
gstoh
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:21 PM)
haiyo..

ok lets see
what do u understand from this whole debacle

what was the argument about..
share with us..
y did gaygaybyte threw a fit.. and acted all b****y like by influencing editors/reviewers..
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hmm from what i know ,
gigabyte is trying to say that its own mobo has better energy efficiency? and gigabyte also said that asus lied people because asus mobo does not perform good energy eficiency as it advertised ?and somemore about the capacitors used by asus are not the same as asus claimed?

then is time to tell me... what do you mean by the "performance" ?
lawsuit ? what is it about?
cstkl1
QUOTE(gstoh @ May 25 2008, 11:26 PM)
hmm from what i know ,
gigabyte is trying to say that its own mobo has better energy efficiency? and gigabyte also said that asus lied people because asus mobo does not perform good energy eficiency as it advertised ?and somemore about the capacitors used by asus are not the same as asus claimed?

then is time to tell me... what do you mean by the "performance" ?
lawsuit ? what is it about?
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hence performance of their DES vs EPU
which i already told u

this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that..

also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES
since i have a p45 from both makers ..
asus two boards actually

so y not try to understand whats going on..
use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95..

PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps..

this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time
hence y some modders were changing themselves


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use

only abit and dfi..
and certain biostar mobos
campsol2k
LOL.

i don't really care much about quality between gigabyte and ASUS. I must admit, gigabyte mobo quality is greater than asus.

But wth, i would buy ASUS mobo because they deliver excellent out of the box performance and overclocking capabiltiy.
jasonkwk
I think Gigabyte know it will come down to this, so Gigabyte must have compile all the evidence to show it in courts anytime soon.Hope the case will clear all doubt .
cstkl1
QUOTE(campsol2k @ May 25 2008, 11:37 PM)
LOL.

i don't really care much about quality between gigabyte and ASUS. I must admit, gigabyte mobo quality is greater than asus.

But wth, i would buy ASUS mobo because of they deliver excellent out of the box performance and overclocking capabiltiy.
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again this argument is not about performance

i can always give u the cstkl1 prime2008 hardware to stress ure cerebrum
hint it involves a hammer..... and ure skull.. hint hint
campsol2k
LOL. I know. Don't be so serious about it.
jasonkwk
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:39 PM)
again this argument is not about performance

i can always give u the cstkl1 prime2008 hardware to stress ure cerebrum
hint it involves a hammer..... and ure skull.. hint hint
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you have proof that Gigabyte tell lies?
cstkl1
QUOTE(jasonkwk @ May 25 2008, 11:46 PM)
you have proof that Gigabyte tell lies?
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no dude u guys dont understand
it has nothing to do with EPU and DES performance..

heck u should see EPU6.. it works and is awesome..
wait for the reviews after NDA..


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:49 pmare u guys in preschool or what??

cause if u guys cant understand this simple debate.. heck.. no future for u guys for the working world..
hint hardwork doesnt pay the bills my friend hint hint.
jasonkwk
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:48 PM)
no dude u guys dont understand
it has nothing to do with EPU and DES performance..

heck u should see EPU6.. it works and is awesome..
wait for the reviews after NDA..


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:49 pmare u guys in preschool or what??

cause if u guys cant understand this simple debate.. heck.. no future for u guys for the working world..
hint hardwork doesnt pay the bills my friend hint hint.
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no one said it has do with EPU and DES performance, you are the one who are saying it.

I dont really care what EPU6 does....

it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement.


gstoh
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:31 PM)
hence performance of their DES vs EPU
which i already told u

this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that..

also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES
since i have a p45 from both makers ..
asus two boards actually

so y not try to understand whats going on..
use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95..

PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps..

this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time
hence y some modders were changing themselves


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use

only abit and dfi..
and certain biostar mobos
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i see i see
EPU6 ? new EPU from asus ? hmm.... how can you compare a new tech with older generation tech?
whatever, that is just my point of view
let's just see how Asus Gigabyte war ends rclxm9.gif
cstkl1
QUOTE(jasonkwk @ May 25 2008, 11:54 PM)
no one said it has do with EPU and DES performance, you are the one who are saying it.

I dont really care what EPU6 does....

it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement.
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this one need primewawasan 2020 ledgehammer edition

then what epu vs gigabyte ceo ass??

it does as it performs..

make that ignorance aint bliss

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it is what Gigabyte claimed that Asus EPU does not performed as mentioned in the advertisement.


what is this.. again i repeat THIS DEBATE AINT ABOUT EPU VS DES. performance or even EPU performance

and U PPL ARE THE ONE who are publicing it .. HENCE U JUST SAID IT with the quote above
and y i keep tellng u guys this aint a performance debate..

u will see it when the NDA is lifted...
and u will see how gaygaybyte will lose in that suit.. and it has nothing to do with the EPU vs DES performance

one credit i give them.. they understand masses are idiots.
lex
Why keep mentioning about unreleased "EPU6". Its gonna be about the current generations ones, the current EPU vs DES, which GigaByte pointed out.. icon_rolleyes.gif

Both TechReport and Tweaktown shows ASUS boards consume more power than GigaByte (and ABit). Lemme see... 2 different reviews can't be wrong, right? hmm.gif
campsol2k
U keep saying THIS DEBATE AINT ABOUT EPU VS DES/PERFORMANCE..Bla bla.. What is it about anyway? Enlighten US ALL..... (with your super duper stress prime95/prime2008/prime wawasan 2020 ledgehammer penetrating our skull to the cerebrum cortex ..i guess ..LOL laugh.gif )
mcchin
maybe what he is saying

that the incident where a webbie editor attend the gigabyte new launch of something

then halfway the said editor ran of with in a cabbie
straight to :gasp: asus headquarters
with gigabytes' data

so this is sorta like a payback
more like damage control by defaming others

disclaimer...: I just guess this scenario with the info i get from the general public places. In no way i am sure of what i said is to be the absolute truth. This is just my own assumption
minghao
QUOTE(cstkl1 @ May 25 2008, 11:31 PM)
hence performance of their DES vs EPU
which i already told u

this b**** fit by gaygaybyte has nothing to do with that..

also its already EPU6 engine now.. which i can tell is awesome compared to the DES
since i have a p45 from both makers ..
asus two boards actually

so y not try to understand whats going on..
use that cerebrum a bit more.. stress it with prime95..

PS asus has never claimed using japanese caps..

this was even true for all the ROG boards.. which we already knew last time
hence y some modders were changing themselves


Added on May 25, 2008, 11:33 pmheck extra afaik both of them dont use

only abit and dfi..
and certain biostar mobos
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So Asus no probelm right?Plz tell me.. hmm.gif
cstkl1
QUOTE(minghao @ May 26 2008, 06:25 PM)
So Asus no probelm right?Plz tell me.. hmm.gif
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all the boards are good.. pros and cons..

just that asus has better support from intel
the gigaybyte also are good .. as i said i just dont like their fae after numerous useless phone calls to them last time

infact for p45's please do look at other manufactorers.. biostar and msi has come up with some interesting boards also.. which my grubby fingers wants them
azmie_83
hahaha, i was laughing when i was reading through this thread.
some of u guys fighting like "u r the vendors", and just giving remark: die asus, gaygaybyte, etc.
defect item is quite normal.
do u guys really think they can make sure every component are working in every mobo they produce/sell?
(good/bad RMA service, that is another story)

Capacitor case:
well, true enough ASUS didn't use Japanese caps (pic on the TS link tom's article).
It is Taiwanese caps, APAQ tech co.
It has been mention in previous post that, ASUS never said their caps was Japanese (can be found on their website - 100% All High-quality Conductive Polymer Capacitors).
however, i don't know how good APAQ's caps are.

my mobo use caps which made by fujitsu and APAQ.
(unless they cheat the label sweat.gif )

here a links where u can identify with ur mobo's caps brand (in Japanese) http://capacitor.web.fc2.com/solidcapacitor.html

EPU case:
since, i'm not interested on it (my mobo doesn't even have that). but so far i can see that DES is better than EPU. and in P5K SE/EPU case i simply don't know what to comment.

Other things:
from the article, gigabyte only did the test on Asus P5K SE/EPU mobo.
does it mean everything they made are bad? and all gigabyte product are good?
sure not rite?

every time, i want to buy pc component, i already have a mind set that that item maybe have some defect, and RMA will took at least a month. so, i would not be so frustrated to send it back for RMA. sweat.gif
that is the reality so far.

well, just my opinion though.
and i'm not ASUS fanboy btw.
I use 5 ABIT mobo before this one.
zeustronic
QUOTE(lex @ May 26 2008, 04:07 PM)
Why keep mentioning about unreleased "EPU6". Its gonna be about the current generations ones, the current EPU vs DES, which GigaByte pointed out..  icon_rolleyes.gif

Both TechReport and Tweaktown shows ASUS boards consume more power than GigaByte (and ABit). Lemme see... 2 different reviews can't be wrong, right? hmm.gif
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I'm juz curious most of ppl buy a good main reason izzt really for power saving? i'm sure ppl still demand for better performance, better overclockable & better stabilities more than power effiencies.
pikacu
QUOTE(zeustronic @ May 26 2008, 11:39 PM)
I'm juz curious most of ppl buy a good main reason izzt really for power saving? i'm sure ppl still demand for better performance, better overclockable & better stabilities more than power effiencies.
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There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion)

1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/, etc..)
2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..)


For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard.

For user type 2) , ...go figure tongue.gif
heizad
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 26 2008, 11:57 PM)
There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion)

1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/,  etc..)
2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..)
For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard.

For user type 2) , ...go figure tongue.gif
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type 2 nvr care bout bills kot..jk tongue.gif
Terence573
i am a 1 and 2 type...gaming during daylight n torent at nite.
zeustronic
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 27 2008, 12:57 AM)
There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion)

1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/,  etc..)
2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..)
For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard.

For user type 2) , ...go figure tongue.gif
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QUOTE(Terence573 @ May 27 2008, 01:14 AM)
i am a 1 and 2 type...gaming during daylight n torent at nite.
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having a 8800GT & HD3870 is already in type 2 tongue.gif .
don^don
srsly, would u care bout tat small current eaten by your hardcore rig, or your aircond in your gaming room???
sonic_cd
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 26 2008, 11:57 PM)
There is two common type computer user (from my personal opinion)

1) Idle (Torrent, Download, Chatting, /b/,  etc..)
2) Active (Gaming,OCer,3d Renderer, etc..)
For user type 1) , they would go for power efficiencies motherboard.

For user type 2) , ...go figure tongue.gif
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i belong to category 1 .. but then again i orefer high specs to g with it ... haha .

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