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rilex bro .. we need to face the fact .. i'm also quite shocked with this news ..
Full Version: Gigabyte: Asus Lied & Fooled Customers
rilex bro .. we need to face the fact .. i'm also quite shocked with this news ..
well, the news is not surprising...
anyway i always prefer saus product
anyway i always prefer saus product
im a gigabyte user here.. anywhere im also surprise about asus products.. as because my friend is using asus mainboard.. their performance also quite good.. hard for me to believe this..
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 04:29 AM)
It's the other way around for me. DES or EPU is not that important for me. It is because I run my CPU at full speed most of the time e.g. Gaming & etc.
You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible?
If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose.
EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature.
You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible?
If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose.
EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature.
my father office use normal P3 as server for more than 10 years of 24/7 with no pure power supply and no solid caps. it does run well until current. it's not about the quality to last long but how you take care of it.
of course high quality products will make it better.
solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too
i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing.
a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it?
another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption"
QUOTE(eric999 @ May 16 2008, 09:43 AM)
well, the news is not surprising...
anyway i always prefer saus product
anyway i always prefer saus product
no surprise for me too and you spell it wr0ng
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM)
my father office use normal P3 as server for more than 10 years of 24/7 with no pure power supply and no solid caps. it does run well until current. it's not about the quality to last long but how you take care of it.
of course high quality products will make it better.
solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too
Do you overclock? =_=of course high quality products will make it better.
solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM)
i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing.
a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it?
a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it?
this is why gaygaybyte expose this issue?
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM)
another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption"
Do you overclock? =_=
QUOTE(hagiwara @ May 16 2008, 06:45 AM)
rilex bro .. we need to face the fact .. i'm also quite shocked with this news ..
I think someone here did show that.. 
Check this out..
QUOTE(merzchan @ May 15 2008, 09:21 AM)
1 more interesting article regarding gigabyte des vs asus epu:
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gig...sus_epu_tested/
http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/1348/gig...sus_epu_tested/
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM)
solid caps is not god-like, they do burst too
i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing.
a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it?
Solid caps are not electrolytic and they are not supposed to explode. They use conductive polymer or semiconductor type. On the subject of fake caps, its easy to tell.. don't look at the color but the brand. Example "Rulycon" (the real one is "Rubycon"). One of the brands commonly faked is Nichicon, which is hard to tell unless you are familiar with Nichicon's markings and colors. i even saw a before few claimed "solid caps" are just electrolytic capacitor with a metal housing.
a normal PC user won't tell a fake japs make capacitor. they write japanese word on it?
I saw somewhere that even Apple uses these at one time, here 
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 11:16 AM)
another thing i don't feel right is "low Vcore = low power consumption"
Well given the same load (formula V^2/R), lower Vcore definitely reduces the wattage but stability when may be affected especially those overclocked. 
QUOTE(pikacu @ May 16 2008, 11:21 AM)
Do you overclock? =_=
this is why gaygaybyte expose this issue?
Do you overclock? =_=
this is why gaygaybyte expose this issue?
Do you overclock? =_=
why must always bring in the topic of overclock?
everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!!
shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck
in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board.
why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too.
QUOTE(lex @ May 16 2008, 11:49 AM)
Solid caps are not electrolytic and they are not supposed to explode. They use conductive polymer or semiconductor type. On the subject of fake caps, its easy to tell.. don't look at the color but the brand. Example "Rulycon" (the real one is "Rubycon"). One of the brands commonly faked is Nichicon, which is hard to tell unless you are familiar with Nichicon's markings and colors. I saw somewhere that even Apple uses these at one time, here
Well given the same load (formula V^2/R), lower Vcore definitely reduces the wattage but stability when may be affected especially those overclocked.
I saw somewhere that even Apple uses these at one time, here Well given the same load (formula V^2/R), lower Vcore definitely reduces the wattage but stability when may be affected especially those overclocked.
ok, so solid state caps not suppose to blow. got it.
not all normal PC users know about Rubycon and Nichicon, it's hard to tell.
low vcore = low wattage. got it.
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
why must always bring in the topic of overclock?
everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!!
shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck
Well, in the old days prices of processors are quite high, so overclocking is one way of getting most performance out of the money spent. Shy to tell you, in one of my old machines, I had a Celeron (Coppermine) overclocked from 566MHz to 850MHz easily.. that's 50% overclock! Performance faster than P3 550MHz.. everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!!
shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board.
why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too.
The thing is capacitors more than often affect stability of the mainboard. Many tech guys knows this.. which is why some companies like GigaByte emphasize about capacitors in their marketing. why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too.
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
not all normal PC users know about Rubycon and Nichicon, it's hard to tell.
Rubycon clones are easy to tell (see attached images), also added another "clone" name.. . 
Nichicon fakes are a bit harder to differentiate... 
the best still to do without any cap like what nvidia and ati do with graphic card power circuitry...... military grade goods hehe....
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
why must always bring in the topic of overclock?
everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!!
shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck
everybody who own a PC with these overrated solid caps MUZ OVERCL0CK ??!!
shy to tell, but the P3 run from 500MHz pushed to 550MHz, that's 10% of overcl0ck
because that is why manufacturer use what-you-called "overrated" solid caps =_________=
QUOTE(LExus65 @ May 16 2008, 02:35 PM)
the best still to do without any cap like what nvidia and ati do with graphic card power circuitry...... military grade goods hehe....
if everything military standard damn expensive la... aiyo... u ah...
ASUS Retaliates Against Gigabyte, Issues Official Statement
ASUS today has issued an official statement to clarify on the recent spat of rumors accusing ASUS of making baseless claims on their motherboard features. Of course, the presentation was done internally by Gigabyte to a group of media recently but was unfortunately leaked out in the internet.
It has come to our attention that a certain Taiwanese Motherboard Manufacturer has made false claims against ASUS motherboards. These claims have given rise to false information being communicated in both the mainstream media and technology channels. ASUS wishes to clarify the issues and so avoid any further confusion.
After investigation, it is clear that this company in question made use of a sponsored gathering of local and international media to deliberately spread information that we consider both untrue and without credible verification. This “disinformation” is not only extremely damaging to ASUS but also completely misleading to the consumers.
ASUS reserves the right to take legal action against any individual, organization or corporation which creates or spreads such rumors.
ASUS has issued another statement to reiterate the P5Q motherboard features once again :
Exclusive Feature 1: The world’s first energy saving motherboards now feature new generation EPU for ultimate energy savings and performance
ASUS, in September 2007, released the world’s first EPU energy saving motherboard. Now, the P5Q series utilizes the newest version of the EPU hardware based energy saving chip, which can detect current PC loadings in real time and automatically moderate the power supply for complete system level power savings.
Exclusive Feature 2: World’s first true 16-phase power design for ultimate durability and lowest power consumption
In order to achieve the best possible performance and energy savings, the ASUS P5Q series’ VRM voltage regulation module utilizes the ASUS exclusively designed true 16-phase power design; which features intelligent auto phase switching technology - when the CPU load increases, 16-phases are utilized, and during low CPU processing periods, it switches automatically to a responsive 4-phase system to power the CPU. This allows the ASUS P5Q to draw less power, thereby raising power efficiency and prolonging component lifespans for longer durability.
Exclusive Feature 3: All Japan-made conductive capacitors for low temperatures, stability and longer lifetimes
The ASUS P5Q utilizes 100% Japan-made conductive polymer capacitors for the whole motherboard, providing world-class stability, low temperatures, and reduces the risk of high voltages to the CPU – providing various ways to prolong component life-spans.
Exclusive Feature 4: 5 Seconds* from bootup to online with Express Gate
Many times, the PC is only switched on to access email, surf the Internet or chat with friends through instant messaging programs – so why waste precious minutes of your time just waiting for boot-up? In order to make PCs more accessible to people, ASUS has designed the exclusive Express Gate for rapid online access after bootup. In just 5 seconds, users will be able to enjoy Internet access, Skype calls, popular Instant Messengers (IM) like MSN or Yahoo Messenger, watch YouTube videos, view photos and check their emails – all without waiting to load Windows!
Exclusive Feature 5: 360° total protection for safety and data Security
The ASUS P5Q series utilizes 4 exclusive “Total Safety Features” to provide full 360° personal computing protection to cater to the safety of consumers and data security.
In regards to motherboard safety, ASUS has designed the Electrostatic Discharge Protection (ESD) and Overcurrent Protection features. The human body can build up electric static charges as high as a few kilovolts. When contact is made to electronic devices through the fingers, this charge can cause electrical damage to internal components. ASUS’ ESD Protection provides static electricity protection that surpasses the EU’s strict standards, especially for commonly used USB ports.
An overcurrent is a current that exceeds the amperage rating of the external device (flash memory, hard disks etc) or circuits (e.g. ICs). If an external device with a fauty circuit is connected to a PC, an overcurrent might occur and seriously damage components or the external device. ASUS’ Overcurrent Protection automatically detects such overcurrents, and acts to protect your external devices and other motherboard components.
Users usually store photos and music in their hard disks. Due to complex backup solutions and the long time taken for backups, users seldom find it easy to perform backups – even when using traditional RAID options. ASUS’ Drive Xpert makes it easy to perform data backups through a user-friendly graphical user interface, or enhance hard drive performances without the hassles of complicated configurations.
ASUS’ Data Guardian provides a secure and protected working environment for users – and secures the user’s personal data via TPM to create a virtual folder protected by an encryption key, and then stored on a USB portable drive. With Data Guardian, users will never worry about unauthorized usage, hackers and stolen hard disk drives ever again.
* subject to user’s hardware and software configuration
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html
QUOTE
ASUS today has issued an official statement to clarify on the recent spat of rumors accusing ASUS of making baseless claims on their motherboard features. Of course, the presentation was done internally by Gigabyte to a group of media recently but was unfortunately leaked out in the internet.
It has come to our attention that a certain Taiwanese Motherboard Manufacturer has made false claims against ASUS motherboards. These claims have given rise to false information being communicated in both the mainstream media and technology channels. ASUS wishes to clarify the issues and so avoid any further confusion.
After investigation, it is clear that this company in question made use of a sponsored gathering of local and international media to deliberately spread information that we consider both untrue and without credible verification. This “disinformation” is not only extremely damaging to ASUS but also completely misleading to the consumers.
ASUS reserves the right to take legal action against any individual, organization or corporation which creates or spreads such rumors.
ASUS has issued another statement to reiterate the P5Q motherboard features once again :
Exclusive Feature 1: The world’s first energy saving motherboards now feature new generation EPU for ultimate energy savings and performance
ASUS, in September 2007, released the world’s first EPU energy saving motherboard. Now, the P5Q series utilizes the newest version of the EPU hardware based energy saving chip, which can detect current PC loadings in real time and automatically moderate the power supply for complete system level power savings.
Exclusive Feature 2: World’s first true 16-phase power design for ultimate durability and lowest power consumption
In order to achieve the best possible performance and energy savings, the ASUS P5Q series’ VRM voltage regulation module utilizes the ASUS exclusively designed true 16-phase power design; which features intelligent auto phase switching technology - when the CPU load increases, 16-phases are utilized, and during low CPU processing periods, it switches automatically to a responsive 4-phase system to power the CPU. This allows the ASUS P5Q to draw less power, thereby raising power efficiency and prolonging component lifespans for longer durability.
Exclusive Feature 3: All Japan-made conductive capacitors for low temperatures, stability and longer lifetimes
The ASUS P5Q utilizes 100% Japan-made conductive polymer capacitors for the whole motherboard, providing world-class stability, low temperatures, and reduces the risk of high voltages to the CPU – providing various ways to prolong component life-spans.
Exclusive Feature 4: 5 Seconds* from bootup to online with Express Gate
Many times, the PC is only switched on to access email, surf the Internet or chat with friends through instant messaging programs – so why waste precious minutes of your time just waiting for boot-up? In order to make PCs more accessible to people, ASUS has designed the exclusive Express Gate for rapid online access after bootup. In just 5 seconds, users will be able to enjoy Internet access, Skype calls, popular Instant Messengers (IM) like MSN or Yahoo Messenger, watch YouTube videos, view photos and check their emails – all without waiting to load Windows!
Exclusive Feature 5: 360° total protection for safety and data Security
The ASUS P5Q series utilizes 4 exclusive “Total Safety Features” to provide full 360° personal computing protection to cater to the safety of consumers and data security.
In regards to motherboard safety, ASUS has designed the Electrostatic Discharge Protection (ESD) and Overcurrent Protection features. The human body can build up electric static charges as high as a few kilovolts. When contact is made to electronic devices through the fingers, this charge can cause electrical damage to internal components. ASUS’ ESD Protection provides static electricity protection that surpasses the EU’s strict standards, especially for commonly used USB ports.
An overcurrent is a current that exceeds the amperage rating of the external device (flash memory, hard disks etc) or circuits (e.g. ICs). If an external device with a fauty circuit is connected to a PC, an overcurrent might occur and seriously damage components or the external device. ASUS’ Overcurrent Protection automatically detects such overcurrents, and acts to protect your external devices and other motherboard components.
Users usually store photos and music in their hard disks. Due to complex backup solutions and the long time taken for backups, users seldom find it easy to perform backups – even when using traditional RAID options. ASUS’ Drive Xpert makes it easy to perform data backups through a user-friendly graphical user interface, or enhance hard drive performances without the hassles of complicated configurations.
ASUS’ Data Guardian provides a secure and protected working environment for users – and secures the user’s personal data via TPM to create a virtual folder protected by an encryption key, and then stored on a USB portable drive. With Data Guardian, users will never worry about unauthorized usage, hackers and stolen hard disk drives ever again.
* subject to user’s hardware and software configuration
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html
Hmmm..but they did not really prove that Gigabyte was wrong and just release statements without any justifications...
Based from the statement from ASUS, talk about their technology is cheap without any proof.
That doesn't prove that the statements made by Gaygaybyte is false....
as long as i dont have any prob.....i have faith in asus products.....haha....
I did not see that as a reply...yet promoting their features without any statement that deny GB statement?
yeah. looks like they are just telling to customers again what exactly the technology they use. could this mean that gigabyte's accusations are true?
QUOTE(ktek @ May 16 2008, 12:26 PM)
in my thought, capacitors... it's just part of components in a main board.
why nobody talk about the coils? diodes? you can't run your PC without them too.
Nobody talks about it because i say so.
Or maybe just because
1. Diodes are used predominantly for protection from SC or Reverse bias damage. We're not talking Varicap diodes or even Ultra powerderful Zeners (most use compensated VRefs these days), normally it's just normal plain diodes that don't have reliability issues.
2. Coils are quite reliable and their characteristics don't "drift" over time unlike capacitors which still rely on a very electrochemical process. And remember that the power regulator can control the current more accurately than the voltage by opening and closing the MOSFET gates.
It's all a case of the weakest link here, and capacitors happen to have the lowest life among electronic components, thus the max reliability of any system would be dictated by these dinky little caps.
i see there is one big monster avatar there
just noticed this topic after ktek tell me through msn
nowadays i only active in sales zone there.
well,for me,i didnt suprise to know about this.
Asus claimed that they made a nice mobo with all these features while Gigabyte also claimed the same things.
but one thing which can be confirmed,a big firm wont say something to public without any pr00f for it,if they do so,they are just killing themselves.i bet they already tested some of the Asus mobo and found out it was fake which claimed by Asus.
Energy saving is a very good design and very nice feature,last time,it used to be a creative idea,but now,it becomes a marketing gimmick for all motherboard company,like gigabyte,asus,msi...etc,believe me,after motherboard,end up u will see nvidia and ati graphic card also include this feature.
basically,motherboard quality is not from manufacturer but luck,u see,some of the consumer used Asus product for more than 5 years and never failed them,while some of consumer using MSI which more than 5 years and still running fine,but some of them blamed that their mobo cant tahan la,burnt la,apa la....for me,it depends on how u use it and etc. In the end, it's all subjective, don't you think?
now gigabyte made the announcement and it will be 95% true,now have to see what will Asus said,
but,for hardcore overclocker,who bother about these energy saving?for them,it's just an annoying issue which will affect their oc-ed performance
but take a look at the Asus statement.
IT SAYS ASUS P5Q SERIES ONLY,what about those taken by Gigabyte to use as evidence one?
and one more,Asus never clarify ALL the conductive polymer capacitors they using are 100% Japan-made.
I have no loyalties, if GB comes out with a board which outperforms the rest, I'm in.
Edited:
those mobo that used by gigabyte as evidence were:
Asus P5E3 Deluxe
Asus P5E3 Premium
Gigabyte’s EP35-DS3L
just noticed this topic after ktek tell me through msn
nowadays i only active in sales zone there.
well,for me,i didnt suprise to know about this.
Asus claimed that they made a nice mobo with all these features while Gigabyte also claimed the same things.
but one thing which can be confirmed,a big firm wont say something to public without any pr00f for it,if they do so,they are just killing themselves.i bet they already tested some of the Asus mobo and found out it was fake which claimed by Asus.
Energy saving is a very good design and very nice feature,last time,it used to be a creative idea,but now,it becomes a marketing gimmick for all motherboard company,like gigabyte,asus,msi...etc,believe me,after motherboard,end up u will see nvidia and ati graphic card also include this feature.
basically,motherboard quality is not from manufacturer but luck,u see,some of the consumer used Asus product for more than 5 years and never failed them,while some of consumer using MSI which more than 5 years and still running fine,but some of them blamed that their mobo cant tahan la,burnt la,apa la....for me,it depends on how u use it and etc. In the end, it's all subjective, don't you think?
now gigabyte made the announcement and it will be 95% true,now have to see what will Asus said,
but,for hardcore overclocker,who bother about these energy saving?for them,it's just an annoying issue which will affect their oc-ed performance
but take a look at the Asus statement.
IT SAYS ASUS P5Q SERIES ONLY,what about those taken by Gigabyte to use as evidence one?
and one more,Asus never clarify ALL the conductive polymer capacitors they using are 100% Japan-made.
I have no loyalties, if GB comes out with a board which outperforms the rest, I'm in.
Edited:
those mobo that used by gigabyte as evidence were:
Asus P5E3 Deluxe
Asus P5E3 Premium
Gigabyte’s EP35-DS3L
QUOTE(jinaun @ May 16 2008, 05:48 PM)
ASUS Retaliates Against Gigabyte, Issues Official Statement
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html
http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/ASUS_Retal...ement/5780.html
what kind of press statement is this?
How will this statement will prove GB accusation is false?
Maybe Asus is not denying the Gaygaybyte accusations....
Gigabyte (more stabile, cheaper, less RMA) 
ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick)
hehe
ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick)
hehe
imo, for marketing gimmick, both Gaygaybyte and Assus are the same
QUOTE(Raptureboy @ May 16 2008, 08:56 PM)
Gigabyte (more stabile, cheaper, less RMA)
ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick)
hehe
ASUS (less stabile, more expensive, more RMA, more gimmick)
hehe
Gigabyte (more gay color)
Asus(more money)
Gigabyte is for metro sexual
DFi better than gaygaybite and arsesus. hoho. just my RM999
how about gigabyte grahic card? also gay?
yup gc also gay LOL coz it call gaygaybyte.....
but anyway i still support asus.... !! haha
but anyway i still support asus.... !! haha
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 05:29 AM)
It's the other way around for me. DES or EPU is not that important for me. It is because I run my CPU at full speed most of the time e.g. Gaming & etc.
You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible?
If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose.
EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature.
You don't care about solid capacitor or not? I assume you are not an overclocker? These solid capacitors are very important for your system to run stably. What you meant was you don't care whether they are Japanese made or not is it? It's not that the capacitors burst or don't burst, who doesn't want a motherboard that has the quality to run for as long as possible?
If you are someone that likes to fiddle with BIOS settings or overclock your system, you don't need or want to turn on EPU/DES I suppose.
EPU or DES greatly relies on your FSB or VCore to save energy. So you should just turn it off if you happen to own a motherboard has this feature.
i dun OC on da system dat i'm using........only OC the system which is 4 testing & benchmarking..................
i actually like the DES features.......auto downclock wen u dun performing task dat dun need so much processing power...............really save a lot electric bill........not 2 mention lower cpu & system temperature...........
Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 09:20 PM)
Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
Indeed. They thought one case can conclude it all? I still don't understand how does this people can pass their exam during school time. My advice, go back to school and learn proper statistics~!!
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 10:20 PM)
Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
not exactly 80%, bt dey do mention bout 70+%.................
it is printed on their mobo box & posters............
ha, cannot really say which brand has more RMA..............
more accurate would da b percentage...............
if more people is using dat brand, of course RMA will also more le...............
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 16 2008, 09:28 PM)
not exactly 80%, bt dey do mention bout 70+%.................
it is printed on their mobo box & posters............
ha, cannot really say which brand has more RMA..............
more accurate would da percentage...............
if more people is using dat brand, of course RMA will also more le...............
it is printed on their mobo box & posters............
ha, cannot really say which brand has more RMA..............
more accurate would da percentage...............
if more people is using dat brand, of course RMA will also more le...............
well their website states 80.23%
seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES 
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
QUOTE(tech3910 @ May 16 2008, 09:18 PM)
i dun OC on da system dat i'm using........only OC the system which is 4 testing & benchmarking..................
i actually like the DES features.......auto downclock wen u dun performing task dat dun need so much processing power...............really save a lot electric bill........not 2 mention lower cpu & system temperature...........
i actually like the DES features.......auto downclock wen u dun performing task dat dun need so much processing power...............really save a lot electric bill........not 2 mention lower cpu & system temperature...........
Yeap yeap, but not very significant if 1 PC only.. Let say if you have 10 PCs, the amount would be more significant.
QUOTE(myke @ May 16 2008, 10:12 PM)
seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
It is because EPU can shut down idle hard drives while DES don't do the same. That's why they insisted to attach 3 hard drives to show that EPU are more energy saving.
It seems like that if EPU or DES is turned on, the multiplier is locked at 6.
QUOTE(viqq @ May 16 2008, 11:48 PM)
Yeap yeap, but not very significant if 1 PC only.. Let say if you have 10 PCs, the amount would be more significant.
It is because EPU can shut down idle hard drives while DES don't do the same. That's why they insisted to attach 3 hard drives to show that EPU are more energy saving.
It seems like that if EPU or DES is turned on, the multiplier is locked at 6.
It is because EPU can shut down idle hard drives while DES don't do the same. That's why they insisted to attach 3 hard drives to show that EPU are more energy saving.
It seems like that if EPU or DES is turned on, the multiplier is locked at 6.
bt if u on ur rig 24/7, over some period, u can really save a lot.....................
actually dis is wad GGB target, those offices wit lots of pc & those 24/7 pc..............it will save a lot of money on electric bill
is not dat multiplier locked @ 6, wen idle o dun use so much processing power, it will auto go down 2 6..............
bt during load, it will jump 2 max...........
RMA issue cannot be simply claimed and accuse, due to uneven sales volume. if an expensive brand has low sales volume, of coz its RMA percentage would be extremely lower compared to a decent brand with extremely high volume of sales.
and so far, to me, i still think hardware is a shot with luck. everyone's saying maxtor and wd not good, msi shit, but my pc still running ok wad...
so far gigabyte's claim seemed quite solid, though i wonder why would they wanna do it in a closed presentation instead of public challenge to asus? and asus's statement is still not solid enough to defend itself, rather a disappointment to me.
and so far, to me, i still think hardware is a shot with luck. everyone's saying maxtor and wd not good, msi shit, but my pc still running ok wad...
so far gigabyte's claim seemed quite solid, though i wonder why would they wanna do it in a closed presentation instead of public challenge to asus? and asus's statement is still not solid enough to defend itself, rather a disappointment to me.
QUOTE(tomatos @ May 16 2008, 09:20 PM)
Asus did not mention about the claimed 80% power saving.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
I noticed a few fans of particular brand claiming that the other brand has more RMA and so. The case now is the claim by Asus that their product perform better than it's actual performance. Whether or not your board RMA-ed before does not prove whether it's a reliable board or not. Your board is only a minute sample of all the boards they produce in the world.
this one is very true. this is just a politic in business. they want all buyer to buy their product.
will see later sure arsesus fight gaygaybyte back..
QUOTE(myke @ May 16 2008, 10:12 PM)
seems like asus EPU is winning over gaygaybyte DES
http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
Oh really? I think you missed this part.... http://www.tweaktown.com/news/9459/epu_vs_...ipei/index.html
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Surprised as to why this may be the case as a result of our own testing in our labs, we asked ASUS how they managed to beat Gigabyte and the answer wasn’t as technical as I thought it might be. We are assuming through a fast flow of changes to EPU by the engineers at ASUS, EPU is able to turn off hard drives connected to the motherboard (except the master C drive) after a period of idle time, around 15 minutes we were told – hence why three hard drives were connected to the system for the demo and for the eyes of the attending media.
Gigabyte DES in its current state and as far as we know, doesn’t do the same. The chap from ASUS even mentioned that when you first turn on the systems, idle power consumption would be about the same. We wanted to reboot the systems or unplug the two extra hard drives from the DES based system and see what would happen, but that might have not gone down too well, during their presentation.
Gigabyte DES in its current state and as far as we know, doesn’t do the same. The chap from ASUS even mentioned that when you first turn on the systems, idle power consumption would be about the same. We wanted to reboot the systems or unplug the two extra hard drives from the DES based system and see what would happen, but that might have not gone down too well, during their presentation.
QUOTE(mrpac_187 @ May 16 2008, 09:07 PM)
DFi better than gaygaybite and arsesus. hoho. just my RM999
ekhmm Asus DVDrom, Asus HSF, Asus Monitor.. i wonder who using them
haiya why DFi no come out with DVD drive, CPU cooler and LCD wan ..
haha sorry out of topic, we stick back to motherboard oni
I want to ask you guys this, shouldn't a Environmental Friendly products be cheaper than others? So that more people use them rather than using low efficiency products.
So why are we spending more money (indirectly earth resources) for these products from Asus & Gigabyte ? Same like Hybrid cars, why the hell their import tax so high although they are suppose to be green cars. Shouldn't it be competitively priced. A bit off topic here.
So why are we spending more money (indirectly earth resources) for these products from Asus & Gigabyte ? Same like Hybrid cars, why the hell their import tax so high although they are suppose to be green cars. Shouldn't it be competitively priced. A bit off topic here.
Asus quality getting worse... I already experienced 3 faulty asus motherboard in less than 2 years
QUOTE(sellihcA2005 @ May 17 2008, 03:41 AM)
Asus quality getting worse... I already experienced 3 faulty asus motherboard in less than 2 years
Do you run board above manufacturer specification or in short do you Overclock it kaw kaw? Because I have a 8 years old Asus Pentium 3 board which happen to running just fine. So 3 faulty board in 2 years is quite worrying situation.
If you compare Asus and Gigabyte, I would still prefer Gigabyte.
DFi is good but not the best now.
DFi is good but not the best now.
Well there is no need to choose sides in this matter. Both company is an excellent and innovative manufacturer which unfortunately results in serious competition. Which ever manufacturer gives the customer green product, best performance, high efficient , ethical business model and gives customer value for our hard earned money should be one top.
Simple u wan performance there's power efficiency, If u wan power efficiency u cant get performance. U cant use Kancil batteries on a Ferarri.
Do you think all electrical products are efficient? If it does where does the heat from the cpu come from? We might not need a cpu cooler if all CPU are 100% efficient. And there is no such thing as 100% efficient products. Energy will be transfered to one form or another but cant be destroyed. In this case electrical power to heat.
There is the balance between efficiency and performance. Zeustronic, you use Kancil and Ferrari to represent this so i will use a Honda based on a Hydrogen Fuel Cell. It use 100% hydrogen as fuel and oxygen as oxidant. 0% emission as only water will come out of the exhaust. The water is even safe to use for drinking. And the electricity generated from this engine is about 100Kwatts which can power 10 average house. Watch Top Gear on BBC Channel2 Season 10 for this.
IMHO, There is always room for efficiency, value and performance combined. Motherboard manufacturers should doing this rather than arguing about each other flaw.
There is the balance between efficiency and performance. Zeustronic, you use Kancil and Ferrari to represent this so i will use a Honda based on a Hydrogen Fuel Cell. It use 100% hydrogen as fuel and oxygen as oxidant. 0% emission as only water will come out of the exhaust. The water is even safe to use for drinking. And the electricity generated from this engine is about 100Kwatts which can power 10 average house. Watch Top Gear on BBC Channel2 Season 10 for this.
IMHO, There is always room for efficiency, value and performance combined. Motherboard manufacturers should doing this rather than arguing about each other flaw.
Here is the news :-
ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html
Asus is quite lame.
They are denying but can't show proof to support themselves
p/s I have to think twice for my next purchase.
ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html
Asus is quite lame.
They are denying but can't show proof to support themselves
p/s I have to think twice for my next purchase.
QUOTE(WebWalker @ May 17 2008, 12:02 PM)
Here is the news :-
ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html
ASUS Responds Angrily To Gigabyte
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/asus-giga...board,5403.html
hm.......
looks like a very weak respond, doesn't clarify anything wad so ever..........instead, it back fire..................
seams dat ASUS is in deeper shit after their respond.....
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