QUOTE(hsienming @ Oct 18 2008, 01:48 AM)
there are alot of people selling this lens what
They are because they dont know how good it is.
Its cheap, but i have gotten some of my best shots with it.
Actually i have sold all my camera equipment including
my 12-24mm and the SB600 flash...All.
So now i am cameraless and lensless...hehe.
I want to start all over again with a
D80 and a 18-105mm VR and nothing else except a 50mm f1.8.
I know this is not the best, but after dragging all my equipment,
i feel i personally wouldnt want to do it all over again.
So the 1 kit is good enough for me.
Added on October 18, 2008, 3:17 amQUOTE(ZZR-Pilot @ Oct 16 2008, 12:09 PM)
Unlike most of the hardcores here, I'm just a casual snapper.
I had been using the 18-55mm D50 kit lens before moving up to an 18-70mm that I nicked from my dad. It was then that I started to note that my kit lens had a tendency to produce soft pics in comparison, and suddenly I felt it just didn't cut it anymore for me. My dad's lens was a world apart but eventually he kept bugging me to return it. So I had to find a replacement.
The 16-85 is even better than the 18-70 that I used - I feel it is sharper (although I'm no pixel peeper) plus it has more range. I love taking candid shots of people, so I find myself using the long end of the lens a lot. This is where the VR made a difference. The 16mm end is unique. It lets you go just a tad wider than usual, which helps a bit when you're trying to squeeze in the entire room when you're already backed up against the wall. Most people don't appreciate the extra 2mm though. Sometimes I too wish I could trade those few mm for a couple more on the tele end...
The lens is still consumer grade compared to the all-metal pro-level 17-55 f2.8, but it still feels rock solid. Dense plastic barrel, the inner trombone is metal, no slack, no rattling (except for the sound of the VR element) and the zoom movement is superbly damped. The shiny mount is solid metal, which somehow feels more inspiring than the dull plastic job of the new 18-105 VR.
My biggest caveat with this lens is the price. Being the realistic casual snapper that I am, I wanted to buy it second hand. It was available in the used market for RM1800 at the time, but some twat beat me to the sale and I was left clutching a thick wad of RM50 notes and no lens. I went to Sg Wang and quickly offloaded the cash plus RM250 more for a new one. That was, what, 4-5 months ago? So yeah, RM2050 is pricey to me for this lens... but at the time there really was no other option if you wanted a decent zoom with VR. Sigma's 18-125 OS lens wasn't available yet either.
The other caveat that most people don't notice is the aperture range. On paper, it's the same f3.5-5.6 as any other standard zoom. But... because the aperture range starts earlier at 16mm, this lens is actually just a teenie weenie bit slower compared to 18-70, 18-105 & 18-200. For example.. this lens starts out f3.5 at 16mm, but at 18mm it can only manage f3.8. Out in the field, however, it doesn't really matter.. well, to me at least. Pixel peepers and those who love to pore and brag about numbers might feel their kiasu-ism challenged by having a lens that's slightly slower.
Anyway, there you go.... that's the long and short of my 16-85mm lens (pun intended).
Personally... if the 18-105 VR was available back then, I would have grabbed it instead (second hand if possible) and used the remaining RM1000 for a nice photo vacation with my pretty, pretty Japanese friend. Hahaha..
Thank you so much for the the write up and your experience with the lens.
This has helped me in making my decision a bit easier.
I can get a 16-85mm VR2 used with filter for rm1,700.00 , its 3 months old...is it worth it ?
Do you think its worth it or just stick with my earlier decision of the 18-105mm Vr1...say at Rm900.00?
The problem with the 16-85mm for me would be,i have to use a separate flash....which i sold just yesterday,a SB600.
Why, because , i want light and easy!.
Yes, i know i cant have the best of both worlds, and maybe later, start all over again with flash..etc..etc.
Yes, many questions, but this is what this forum is about, helping each other.
Thanks
Regards