When was the last time we got upgraded from 512k to 1mbps for the same price, RM88?

I remembered that time we had almost the same package speeds as Singapore. They caught up with us later on tentatively by releasing 3m, 6m, 10m, 24m, 30m and 100m in just about 2 years time.

Why TMnut? Can't play the catchup game?
Even Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam are offering faster packages than us today with 24m ADSL2+.

TMnut sux, I am still using 512k package.

cant say like that, malaysia area large, u think its easy to upgrade fibre optic easily? if only one KL area, sure TMNUT can perform better. And u imagine how much singapore internet charges permonth and compare with RM.

China is so much bigger than malaysia, why their broadband is faster, got fibre optic and the rate is so much lower than Malaysia?

For SGD 88 permonth you can get a 10Mbps connection plus Macbook

Can't compare like that. How about Australia, China and Taiwan?

Australia rates remains one of the most expensive in the world for bandwidth last time close to South Africa.We were ahead of them 2 years ago.

Now?

They offer 24mbps ADSL2+ Annex M(upload boost of 3mbps) with copper unbundling by iiNet, TPG and Agile Networks' Internode.

Taiwan entry level also 2mbps now with most on 8m ADSL and metro ethernet to homes.
VDSL2 is coming up there this year.

China is the world's largest ADSL equipment buyer today.

TM regional telco?Considering our country's economy size, we should be getting nothing less than 5mbps for entry level.

Singnet's 1mbps pakage is RM76.68 at today's exchange rate yet only require 12month contract c/w 30mb mailbox, unlimited hotspot access, free installation of mio TV etc.

You noticed how cheap their HSDPA 3.6mbps is?
Singnet 8m is only SGD$65
Starhub 8m only SGD$59

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Added on February 16, 2008, 7:18 pm

Also not quite the correct way to compare with them my friend.
They earn the same amount as us in SGD.

Singapore NGN phone network is now going full stream.Over 90% of their phone risers are already FTTN based offering ADSL2+ without issues.That is the reason why they could offer their Mio triple play services.

Singtel's inside news is that VDSL2 is just a matter of giving the green light to proceed.
ADSL2+ is already a matured technology in Singapore.

I believe in Malaysia's facility, in fact they are top class. I just don't believe on the people running behind the facility. It's not that easy to run an ISP company, they have to pay for their International Bandwith because they are supplying nationwide. Singapore's internet is fast and cheap is because they don't have to go through other countries jst like us. Their country is also small and they have 3-4 ISP.

If Malaysia's government want to open this one for competitions, sure can.

Its simple. Just take our Telco as example such as Maxis, DiGi, Celcom...
There are having competitions with each other, so we can get cheap SMS etc.

I guess you've never tried China's connection before eh? It's a pain in ass to surf websites out of their countries. I swear you'd prefer our screamyx over their connection if you've ever tried one.

Exactly.

It doesn't matter their local contents make up for the filtering itself.There are bunch of ways the Chinese use to get around them.Just like how we get around TMnut's P2P blockages.If you know how to get your way around it just like in Japan and Korea you can fly with international connection speeds because the majority there surf mostly local contents leaving international connections unclogged.

Putting that aside, fiber is now so common to newly built apartments in China.Internet ready homes with Ethernet jacks are included in your home rental there.
China is provisioning the largest number of ADSL ports today and surpassing America to become the highest internet users base in the world this year itself.

Kerrang, read what he Ash has said and refraise your reply.

I refuse to get into your level of argument.

We are talking about getting TMnut to speed up their packages.Kindly return to the topic of discussion.

If u dont like to argue than just drop ur "argument" on comparison with singapore as well...

on speedier packages, theres 2mb and 4mb as well...no problem on that...

Okey...I tend to agree with TS, its time for TM to revise price/speed package upgraded (with one condition apply).

BUT looking at current scenario I thinks its not ideal time for them to do so..why ? becoz you can read everywhere in this forum ppl complaining about how slow their connection was...many factor contribute to this issue, the bigger contributor i guess becoz they don't have enough bandwidth and infrastructure...they should FIX this first before thinking others...such as upgrading speed otherwise we back to circle...

cheers...

Your "take it or leave it" attitude doesn't help with our country's development growth at all.

Argue about what?When someone tells me to rephrase, he trying to pull me into some dictatorship argument which is highly unhealthy for interesting topics.I want to stress that this is a informative thread and I intend not to get into arguments which doesn't take anyone of us anywhere.

My heuristic troll detection alert system tells me not to continue my conversation with him, therefore I've decided not to participate in such.Not ok with you?

Now what's with your concern about making comparison with Singapore's telecom infrastructure?I'm informing the public about our neighbor's infrastructure development which is crucially important for them to be aware, you have a problem not to let them know?

EDIT-extra message for Pharez especially:

I don't want to make you an enemy, but think of this since I've noticed your Streamyx promotion thread in the same section here, TMnet would be in a much better position to compete if they start to offer faster speed packages.I'm trying to make them move in that direction.I hope you understand my stand here.

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Added on February 17, 2008, 1:23 amOk let's move on.

How many of you still think that TMnut is in second position in terms of broadband speed in South East Asia?

I would like to share with you all that most recently around November 2007, Philippines's PLDT has just started rolling out their NGN networks across the major cities.

You want screen shots of their residential packages modem setup screen and speedtest results.







Competing ISPs in Philippines





Do you still think that TMnut's offerings are on par with our neighbors?

Move over to their Country, problem solved for you.

Thanks for your 1 sentence suggestion if it helps, you that is.

Your the one b****ing here, not me.

We all know that TM will be selling us affordable (not so) 1Mbps for as long as they want.

...again as long as there only one ISP monopolise the market...I guess we will wait for some time...

All we need is more ISP so they can brake/penetrate the market share...I'm very sure this will help us..the end user

Cheers everyone...

all i remember is i have been using streamyx from 2004. 1 1/2 years later i got upgraded to 1mbps. 6 months later i got 1.5mbps. been there ever since.... been stuck with 1.5mbps for 2 years already.. while other countries have reach 100 times our speed (lol)

You must be screwed up in the head man.Miserable you must be, my remarks about Tmnut you deemed b****ing?

Time for you start contributing constructively to my thread or else you can stay away.I do not condone any insults in here.

how can anyone offer competition to TM? they are the only one who own wired infrastructure in the country. Maxis and Jaring could try all they want to offer wired broadband, but the fact is they still need to use TM's line.

another problem is the international link. even if TM offer 10 Mbps, it wouldn't matter much if the main pipeline is clogged. they need to improve that first before even thinking of upgrading local connection.

If u r the ceo of tmnet, would u spend multi millions on improving the infrastructure knowing that u already monopolized the market and doing so wont gain u anymore new subscribers?

Kerrang, no point arguing. Everyone has the right to stand by their opinion eventhough it may be wrong. If there are ppl who want to live under the well, let them be. They jz cant see the bigger picture yet.

Only through healthy competition, a person can improve, a company can expand, and a country can develop. And here there is ppl asking us do not compare. This is the type of thinking that kept us in our third world status.
Hiding in our own shell, not accepting international comments and criticisms and saying MALAYSIA BOLEH. Hahha

If u say that the singapore a small country, fiberoptics expensive and blah blah blah, then how can u explain that klang valley, the most developed part of the country can only achieved max of 4 mbps after so many years while it is smaller than singapore? Even in MSC area or cyberjaya area, they do not have a good connection and there.

FYI, copper line can still support higher speeds than 4mbps. Try thinking from another perspective, tmnet having monopolized the market for so many years and with gov backing still cant even upgrade their services despite other countries' isp have to bear thru high competitions?

For me the real issues here is not with TM...the real issues is why are we lack of company that can provide a good service to put TM in a competing situation...

Put all "monopolize" craps aside, let us look into how Penangfon has build a comparatively good service, but why is it so selectively limited...is due to the company or consumer's habits?
Wimax should be offered Q1 2008...where are they?

Rather than making another rantings thread, a consumer survey would very much be helpful for aspiring ISP...

Dude, nice one..

U learn from the stupid minister is it?

So, you are on the same level with him?

you might dream that WiMax would break TM's monopoly, but it won't. wimax can't compete with reliability and stability of wired internet. besides, who's gonna route the traffic from wimax tower to the rest of the internets? the answer will still be TM. whatever it is, TM still wins.

No ISP competing with TMNut = Internet connection speed will never improve (perhaps will, in 20 years or so)
Wonder where their money goes every month, a few millions of user paying them every month... (i suppose it a large portion of it is lost to feed the authorities of TMNut...

sigh... what to do...

This is a problem faced by countries all around the world. Telcos historically has been big and monopolitistic and owns all the copper wires.

The solution seems to be Local Loop Unbundling, but there are issues.

New standards and technologies have improved what is possible over copper lines, but at some point the copper is a limiting factor itself.

But that limit factor wont be a prob to tmnet looking at their current upgrading speeds XD

here's an interesting article from wikipedia on local loop unbundling.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Local_loop_unbundling

it a regulation allowing multiple telecommunications operators use of connections from the telephone exchange's central office to the customer's premises.

this could solve a lot of the problem caused by TM monopoly.

I believe theres a regulation by MCMC as well...but how many of new ISPs would agree to adhere to TM requirements? Besides Jaring that currently uses TM infra, others prefer hit and run style, so that they need not be responsible if they decide to close shop...

Thailand has cheaper, faster, more reliable broadband.

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Added on February 21, 2008, 6:51 pm
That didn't happen by magic.

It happened because enlightened regulation in Singapore made it a welcome place for regional and global ISPs to peer. Malaysia, on the other hand, is actively hostile to those same companies because it might hurt poor little TMnet's monopoly. The result, as always, is that a few people in Malaysia get rich while 99% suffer. And it's particularly bad in the internet sector because the awful broadband service here holds so many Malaysian companies back and keeps the entire economy from developing as quickly as it could.

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Added on February 21, 2008, 6:53 pm
What a shitty attitude.

If there is a problem, then the right response is to fix it.

Disparaging the people who call attention to the problem just ensures that things stay bad. That hurts everyone, including you.

The fact was there, If I'm CEO, I would throw money to improve the facility and maintain it rather than creating more and more problem. Remember, it's easy to attain something but it's the other way around when you mentioned maintain. The CEO of now are too stupid enough to understand that and so, when there's 1 million budget to upgrade/add-on facility, 30%-40% would go into his own pocket, leaving those upgrading and repairing hanging upside down like our beloved road, pasting new tar on the road like that road was getting 'injured' a part of it only instead of whole thing.

FYI, MSC and Cyberjaya is still new and not likely a good place for investment 'YET' as mostly, company, office would be the one that needing those internet connection and not much residential up there yet compared to Klang Valley and etc.

Yeah, copper line still can support higher than 4mbps but not when there's 100 or 1000 user hogging and using max bandwidth all the time on a same copper line and there's when Streamyx customer service are being bombarded by frustated call.

Each customer has their own copper line. They are not sharing. So it doesn't matter if there are 100 or 10000000000 customers on copper. The only things that matter:

1) The copper has to be well-maintained.

2) The backhaul network has to be decent.

TMnet definitely fails in #2. I guess they sometimes fail in #1, though I have no problems with loop quality where I am living (central KL).

Wat i meant was the ceo simply wouldnt upgrade coz of that...

Haha, almost a decade now since it is launched and it is still considered "new"? How hard izzit to provide connection to an area after 11 years since it is launched? The whole area SHOULD even have lines before it's launch!

Doesnt every country's copper line hogged by 100/1000 users? They have even faster speeds= even more bandwidth are taken up at any one time. No more excuses d laaaa. Enough is enough for tmnet...

TMNUT, wth i am still using 512kbps @ RM66, but saw some advertisement wrote 1MBps line + free modem @ RM44?anyone know this thing?

rotijohn, tmnet doesn't care. as far as they are concerned, they have you in their trap. you pay the price and get the speed when you sign up. they don't care about current price. that is just bait to get more people in the trap.

i still rmb tmnut offers 1mb/s at 2003, now still 1mb/s...
5 YEARS!!! STILL STUCK AT THIS SPEED???!!!
Other countries has already at least 10~100 times faster than us

Yes Bro, same as u, subscribed Streamyx in2003 RM 88 Package,

till now, till the same 1mbps.

Now thinking myself of upgrading to 2mbps RM 99 promo

It's time we got something like 10mbps in the next few months time.

Good thing the opposition took over Penang-Perak-Selangor.

The infrastructure in these 3 states are the most developed.

Before the elections, TMnet was going to offer 4mbps in in Penang and Selangor incld. KL.We'll see how this would turn out.

Honestly, I dont think they see super fast connection as the main priority after winning the states. However, 10mbps connection for Klang Valley and Penang within this year is still possible. For other states, 2/4mbps might be the limit though. Anyways, don't forget that TMnet 'prioritize' expanding their broadband penetration rather than offering a higher speed.

Malaysia always give excuse that a country as big as us, we 'll need some time to offer 10mbps to users compared to tiny Singapore.

We also claim that we are almost industrialized and second only to Singapore in terms of development in South East Asia.

Woah what a big claim!

Taiwan's Chunghwa Telecom Hinet has just started offering 50mbps down/3mbps up VDSL about June 2007 for only NTD$850 which is equivalent to RM87.80(RM88).

Here is the proof link:
http://www.cht.com.tw/CHTFinalE/Web/Functi...r.php?HHL_ID=20

They have really embark on a FTTx project since last year and finally taking off.
Now Taiwan is about the size of Peninsular Malaysia.They don't have oil, have earthquakes and they are a monoracial country.

Do you still have any excuses left?

Speedtest for Taiwan Hinet VDSL2 5m/3m FTTB.