It is an architectural limitation. To do 16.7 million color, SE would have to revamp its entire processor platform. Anyway I seriously doubt Nokia N-series can do 16.7 million real colors. Its more like color dithering process and near-pixel manipulation to give you that amount of colors. Granted the LCD must be able to support more than 262k addressing, the ARM9/11 used is only a 16bit MCU. So you do the math.

That is also the main reason why most PDA phones are limited to 65k colors on their LCD although many sported 262k capable LCD panels.

well, i heard it from a fren of mine....

1. he said the cam is bad.... (maybe becoz of the small lense)
2. battery life.... (i suppose its due to brutal usage on touch screen)
3. limited 3rd part application.... (well uiq 3 is way behind s60 in this)

so, wat u guys think? would the be an improvement by SE?

Davidmak....
u seems to noe a lot about SE platform.... u work for them or sumthing?

Ah, the usual assumption that one knows too much will be associated with whatever company he speaks on.

The answer is no because you can get these information from esato forums, gsmarena, mobile-review, etc. If you want me to speak on Nokia's platform, I am just as competent. Hehehe!

By the way, UIQ is an UI interface (with touch capability) that sits on top of the Symbian kernel. It is an extension to the Symbian OS just like S60. Both are Symbian. Now there's a good chance for a software to work on S60 will work with UIQ. Not all will though. You can find a lot of UIQ applications if you search hard enough. GPS navigation applications for example are available on all mobile OS platforms. Of course, it is not as robust and scalable as S60 but it has a pretty good track record so far.

Also most games that you download from internet or telco are J2ME based and they can run cross-platforms. Its essentially JAVA. The only requirement is that the resolution must be correct/match your display resolution and in some cases, the soft keys must be correct.

Then again, your friend is right to a certain extend. I am not a great fan of UIQ, in fact I am a new user. G900 is my first UIQ phone and so far my experience has been pleasant.

yahoo good for u.. we must have more sony ericsson user.. then price more cheaper.. hahahah then pawn all the phone.. NO KIA will gone.. make it gone man... hahaha sony ericsson must get no 2 spot bak.... maybe in malaysia got no 3 sony ericsson.. tats my opinion. also usin w960 bigger screen more satisfied.. wit the 8gb hard disk

do me a favour and stop spamming unnecessarily on threads to increase yr post counts. Thank you.
David,so far any hangs experience on yr hp ?

The stability is marvelous since I used to have a bad impression on UIQ-enabled phones. I chose the G900 because it was optimized for finger usage. So far it has not 'hanged' except for one time when I was scanning for WIFI hotspot while streaming from youtube. I guess that more like a user error. Other than that, it has been behaving reliably.

One thing I would like to see G900 improve is the smoothness of the UI. I saw a lot of video previews which shows the G900 having really smooth transitions. I think with new software update, its possible. Also the Messaging section is a little bit stuttering. Whenever, you touch on a message, it flashes a few times before showing you the content (more like refreshing the message). So I'm very sure thats a bug that can be eliminated.

I've tried loading a lot (and I mean A LOT) of programs into the memory. At one point I loaded more than 30 applications including GPS navigation software, games, bible reader, pdf reader, quick office, sms, mms, web with a few pages loaded including one with youtube streaming, media center, etc. The remaining memory still have around 25MB and I still get very quick response from the OS. I can still make a call and multitask (as in switching from one program in memory to another). The 128MB is virtually 'unfinishable'. Then I did one thing. I used Swiss Manager Pro and I hit the end all application. And it diligently quit every program one by one without any problem. Pretty robust. I am beginning to build the trust on the phone now.

I really like the transflective display which doesn't loose contrast when viewing in the sun so GPS navigation is very usable unlike my previous LG KS20 which fades so much you can't see anything but the screen.

wow..seems like G900 is pretty good after read this positive comment on it..haha...worth to get it??????

Worth definitely worth it one lar. But depends on how you see it lor. I can't say you should buy it or ignore it. Kekekeke! Later people will tembak me or say I work for Sony Ericsson or this handphone shop or etc. I'm selling one unit you see. So I am at a conflict of interest here. Kekekeke! Maybe more users should feedback to this thread.

hey david, where did you dl your swiss manager pro? i tried to google, but they only provide trial versions, or are yours trial too?
just got myself a red G900 yesterday XD.

u can search at dotsis forum under UIQ subforums to find swiss manager pro ahem2 version
ipmart forum n dotsis forum provide many ahem2 software for UIQ, s60 n etc

ahem ahem

Hi all, it have been 1 month since the release of the G900 phone. Still no news about the availability of the ori set or the pricing yet?

shhhhhh.....nnti later kene warning dgn mod

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Yeah no availability yet. Even AP is limited in quantity and only available in red. Black/dark brown is almost non-existent. I heard that it'll take another week or two for the original to arrive. Probably stuck at SIRIM or paper works for SE Malaysia.

cool... davidmak
where n how much did u bought ur unit? from shop or lyn?

u said u run numerous applications on it...
then i still hav few questions to ask....
1. does the fone get "warm"?
2. how is the battery life under for heavy users?
3. is there any film protector for this fone? i seen 1 4 k850 (not lens cover), just not too sure abt this fone...
*its like a screen protector, oni the difference is that u put this 1 one the lense instead of the lcd screen*

hope to hear from u soon..... aka sum1 affiliate to SE company

I got it as a present and to my knowledge it is around the price of RM15xx with bluetooth headset. The shop name is in Lowyat First Floor... Gadget something. Forgot already.

Anyway to answer your questions:

1. This is one of the best parts of the phone. It doesn't get warm during recharging and when running intensive applications. At least throughout my entire experience so far. However, I have not speak on the phone for extended period of time so I am not able to comment on that part.

2. Battery life so far has been mediocre. At most is only 2 days. Probably shorter if you use it extensively.

3. There is film protector for the LCD screen but not on the lens though. It is a small area to cover actually.

I am only an enthusiast since I am owning this phone and I am happy about it. That is what I am doing here - to give the right information to future users.

Hey davidmak, how to stream youtube video with G900? REALLY GOING TO GET IT ALREADY.... just waiting my money to be collected.

sorry for the trouble guys, hehe!
i'm not as lucky as david... My G900 crashed a few times when I was tryin to connect to wifi...

Its easy. There are two ways to do it.

1. Open up your browser, connect to the internet (via WIFI or 3G/data plan), type in www.youtube.com and it'll bring you there.
2. You can use a program called CorePlayer with flv support. You got to buy it though.

Basically coreplayer will give you a better rendering quality. I've tried streaming on browser and the quality isn't good. A lot of artifacts. But my comments on coreplayer is based on assumptions from hearsay. I have not personally used coreplayer yet. So take it as it is.



So have you been able to connect to any WIFI? If you aren't, there could be a problem. Try a full reset.

aiks g900 firmware crashes when in wifi... lucky bought w960.. thought of buyin g900... maybe se must release newer firmware fast.. hope SE X1 come out faster... hehehehe

But I never encountered this problem so far except for one time when i was streaming and accidentally 're-scan' for hotspots. Then it hanged. Anyway if the G900 hangs every single time we scan for hotspots, that is amounting to failure of that particular feature since we can't even use WIFI at all. That contradict its specification and white paper.

Yeah, I agree with you. SE better improve on the firmware soon if it is serious about G900's role in the market.

yup.. the wifi must be good.. coz now hp wit wifi is the best to carry around...

huh?!!
it hang while using wifi?
I've planned to get this fone. since its one of the cheapest wifi fone.....
can any1 clarify fact with me, coz im really tot of getting this fone when it reach my budget
i heard ori units hitting the stores soon rite?

The original authorized units will hit stores on the 1st of July 2008. Got this information from the stores in Mid Valley today.

The WIFI is good for my unit. I don't know why others are not getting as good. I guess must be some other problem. Sometimes it is slow to respond, but not really hang. Maybe that gave users the wrong impression that it is hanged. Anyway we need more information from these users. Information too vague because they only mention hang, but not how or what they were doing during the time of hanging.

mostly due to oversea settings? previous P1i of mine suffer the same, but after firmware upgrade, it is usable back.

ooo ok hmmm... lol.... hope se x1 come out fast... hehehe. target tat now... usin w960.. k850 gave 2 my gf use.. lol

wow... so the firmware now supporting flash lite 3 already or youtube detect the it's a mobile version and load the mobile version youtube? let's say it's embedded in somebody's webpage? Still able to load? I'm noob in symbian phone... need to learn, but i scare now no stock, wish to get my G900 soon.... red and black oso ok ^^

Oh ya have been heard that the speaker very nice and loud. I think it's true but how loud is it? Louder than n80?

hmmm... support sony ericsson. so tat se come out cheaper phone.. hahaha lol then se x 1 more cheaper... htc no use phone... hahahaha... hope se x1 sept 1 out man

oh.. ok. thnx 4 the info
since this is the case, i might as well wait for SE to release a better firmware to fix the wifi problem for this fone....
might as well get it after c905 launch.... that would be a couple of mths from now. It ShOuLd be cheaper by then
lets keep our finger crossed and hope 4 the best....

btw, can any1 comment on the camera quality (n also the touch focus)...
i mean, how many "focus point" u can touch b4 hitting the shutter key.

hmmm.. lol i don quite like slidin... but i like se x1 slidin.. if its more expensive then touch diamond. i get touch diamond.. lol.. hahaha.. coz will bring down other hp price then... hope se x1 ap price will be cheap.. lol. somethin like 2k... affordable then

The built-in opera browser only detects youtube in its mobile version. I am not sure about the flash lite 3 thing. Mostly not because it wasn't in UIQ3 right? I hope they could introduce this in the next firmware. Then again, the chances of upgrading to UIQ3.3 is slim though.

The AP stock quantity is quite low at the moment unless you go to lowyat garage section and lowyat plaza. Most dealers don't carry this phone due to lack of confidence on its price positioning. I confirmed this with another dealer yesterday. Most are waiting till the 1st of July launch before deciding on anything. Since this is coming soon, I suggest everyone to hold off their purchase till then. If the original price is low, then you guys are in for a treat. The AP price should fall accordingly too.



The touch focus is only a software feature. In this feature, you touch anywhere on the screen and the camera will autofocus to the area you touch. This augments the default center focus point where you have to focus the center point to an object then reframe (while still holding the shutter) and then take the picture. With the touch focus, you just frame and then touch the area you want to focus on. Easy.

The camera takes good photo provided there is enough light. The downside is the blur. It is very prone to camera shake. A slight shake will ruin the picture. The problem is the shutter button is very hard to press and this shakes the camera every time you tries to press it.



I think better stick to SE X1. Touch Diamond is just a gimmick. The only specialty to it is the TouchFlo 3D UI. It is only a program so to speak. A program which you can ripped it and then install to any device that has a Qualcomm 7200/01A and utilizing the onboard ATI Imageon (to a certain extend). There are examples of these done with Touch Cruise, LG KS20, TyTN II already with limited success. With time, those 'developers' will be able to track the necessary drivers for this.

I hope you guys still remember the Broadcom and Qualcomm patent court case which is still impending. It resulted with Qualcomm giving little to non-existent support regarding the drivers for its graphics accelerator. We don't know if this Touch Diamond has necessary drivers for its graphics processor or HTC only specifically writes the TouchFlo 3D UI to use this while leaving other 3rd party programs relying on software rendering like the TynTN II, Touch Cruise, etc. We don't even know if the video acceleration is working. Maybe thats why HTC increase the clock speed to 5xx MHz and loaded extra RAM on top of 128MB to give you 192MB?

On the other hand, SE X1 will be using the same platform built by HTC, probably from the Touch Pro that is scheduled to launch soon. So there is a close resemblance of both devices which I forsee you can install TouchFlo 3D to SE X1 or the other way around (hopefully, and IF SE still stick with WM6.1).

blur due to handshake?
i thought the fone hav image stabiliser?
i suppose its just marketing gimmick then....

then again, does it hav bestpic? coz most site didn't really mention abt this feature...

G900's camera have image stabilizer function??

The image stabilizer method employed is not an optical solution (as in lens compensating with gyro sensors). It is a software solution and if I am correct it tracks movement from the LiveView and then freezes frame to a slower frame rate so you can take the picture with ease. Alternatively, it tracks a smaller area of the 5MP resolution and then compensates by moving the tracked area around the 5MP resolution it is working with. This effectively reduce the quality because it has to do extrapolation.

Another down point is that when using image stabilizer, flash will be permanently disabled (for some reasons). If you're in a low light area, the camera is forced to lengthen the exposure by slowing down the shutter. In the end, you still get a small amount of camera shake. Anyway, using the camera without light can reduce the contrast of the resultant picture. Better use flash. Also it doesn't have best pic and I don't know how to operate the 3-pic-panaroma mode. Doesn't work.

nice info davidmak! But i have come across the news about G900 is the first SE phone that going to support Flash Lite 3. Mayb u can search about it ^^

the G900 actually has a pretty good 5mp cam.
i believe one of the reasons why some G900 users claimed to have taken crappy pics is because of the camera button like what davidmak had pointed out.
anyway, u dont actually have to press on the camera button when u wanna snap pics. all u have to do is just click on the place u wanna focus and just hold it for a few seconds for the cam to snap.

really?
that is a good thing to hear as im planning to get 1 when ori units hit the stores
so, far in cheapest ap that i found in lyn is 1391....
sounds very tempting indeed...

how is the AP quality differs with the ORI units?
*aside from warranty issues*

normally ap n ori all same except the warranty period n cover
but i do notice last time, my fren bought ap set w810 (tht time the price around rm6xx), the earphone not as good as the ori one, n cd came with it not the ori cd one n when comparing with my old ap w810 at that time (which i bought around rm12xx---when i bought it, the ap at that price), when both in hands, i feel like his w810 using grade AAA housing only (coz when i compare mine with ori w810, feel same) ------> all this base on my previous exp

but now im using p1i (ap), exactly like ori js the warranty only diff, n sumore can update via SEUS, while my old ap w810 cannot update via SEUS

Yeah I have heard about it too but don't know how true it is. It would be nice if it can support Flash Lite 3 in future software updates. However, I read that Flash Lite 3 is part of the roadmap for UIQ3.3. If this is true, we might get a nice upgrade to UIQ3.3 but I doubt this is likely. Crossing fingers though. I really hope I am wrong.



Well both phones are originally manufactured and assembled from Sony Ericsson's subcontractor. The only difference is the price and after sales support that you will be getting. I think we already have enough postings to discuss about AP vs Original. It is not like the olden days where AP is like water goods. Technology has been so advanced, we get a lot of stuff from the other parts of the world quickly now. Different region? No problem, we can reprogram it to have local software and content.

So far I can testify a few shortcomings on its assembly quality. I have seen both phones including mine to have the following:

1. When you shake the phone, you'll hear a minor shaky sound. That is the sound of a 'loose' camera lens and autofocus mechanism's free play. There's no problem with it, it takes good pictures and the sound goes away when you autofocus it. However, when you release the button, it is loose again. I guess this is natural.

2. Squeaky rear battery cover. That seems to be norm for a lot of phones today. If you study the way the back cover is capped onto the main body, you'll know why.

3. Small gaps on the black plastic casing on the top side of the phone (near the stylus and the other corner).

Other that that, the phone has been very solid and its weight is pretty pleasant when held on the hand. I guess we can't expect perfection. I am extremely interested with Samsung's i900 Omnia and I wonder how is its assembly quality. Must be good for the price.



Very nice finding there. Thanks a lot!

But anyway I am not worried about the picture quality. It is not top notch but it is decent enough. However, I expect AF quality to improve in later firmware updates. I don't know if you notice, when you autofocus the camera, even though too close, the center focus point still indicate green. This is very misleading because you'll never know if it was able to autofocus too 100% sharpness. You can't tell from the LCD screen. I hope the firmware update will solve this.

aiks like tis i would get g900 to replace my w960 or if se x 1 is nice price.. i will get SE X1 lol...

oh... ok. thnx 4 the info
becoz, based on my experience....
i had played with my ori w800 n my fren ap w800, w580 n k550.
it seems that the ap units if some what "heavier" n have poor built quality... (maybe its only me)
i dun noe abt the software part though...
my fren w580 hav this cracking sliding sound... making it sounds like it lack of oil or sumthing....
that really freak me out at ap built quality....
that is y i'd feel better stick to original. though it might be just that unit is faulty.

anyway, does the fone come with chinese input? i heard it doesn't hav it

lol... now i only knw ap got tis problem.. but i think if ap quite long in the market.. it will be like original right???

SE X1 is indeed a nice phone but I am worried that it might be overpriced. Right now the only differentiating factor of Windows Mobile-based smartphones are their customized UI and transitions. Specification wise and feature wise is the same because they all runs on WM. We could ripped them into CABs and install them across different WM phones. It is the UI that sets them apart. So far I am convinced with Samsung i900 Omnia's TouchWiz UI. It completely replace WM default menus (which is dry and boring) and gives them 'Apple' like transitions. HTC Diamond's TouchFlo 3D is only a homeplug UI, when you go deeper into WM you're back with its old UI. I am worried that SE X1 might be like this too.



Yeah the SE G900 comes with chinese input and character recognition. It all depends on the CDA list and customization finalized on the firmware. Just insist on having this feature when purchasing so that the seller could reprogram the phone if required. When you're done, you can update regularly with SEUS. It'll work like they belong to local original units.



Actually AP or not, they all come from the same factory. Maybe there's a conspiracy that some early production phones that does not satisfy strict (I mean very strict) QC checks are all flooded in the AP market. That is why you see AP units coming into the market long before the original units are launched. After some time, production quality stabilizes and with time the AP units will be of the same 'quality' like originals. That could be the reason I can think of.

But anyway mobile phones are quite good in built quality nowadays. We're should be more worried with the software/firmware of earlier units. However, we can get them updated when new ones are made available. So there is really nothing to worried about. Better worry about getting a phone that you regret or don't like. Hehehehe!

I owned all 3 ap hp before and i compare it with original i dont see any differences. It is 99% the same.
Maybe the 1% is different smell . I can assure u that ap and ori is the same except for their warranty.

you've got the point dude.

Thks for the suggestion.

hey guys, WTA that which SE model's game is compatible with G900?

the dark brown version is already sellin. saw one uncle played with it ytd in 1U, haha!

hw much?

what's the price for this phone? AP and ORI

can any1 open a new thread for g700 n g900 respectively? kinda blur now coz both mix up...

well, G900 seems a lot hotter than G700 does...

As can i see, it is almost about G900...LOL