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arj
It's time for a new thread. Here are some useful info from the first post of the previous HDTV thread, courtesy of H@H@.


To all you with questions about HDTV quality and comparison between consoles on HDTV, please refer to this FAQ to ensure that you're actually enjoying HDTV to the fullest.

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The simple explanation of Digital TV

    Digital TV describes the current crop of higher scan frequency sets.  The designation is bestowed on sets that are able to display progressive signals or include a line doubler to convert the incoming viewable NTSC signal at 480i (interlaced) to 480p (progressive).  Digital TV can be 4:3 or 16:9 aspect ratio.  Ultimately, it is the ability to display the high resolution image defined by the ATSC standards of 1080i or 720p that is the solid foundation of Digital TV.

HDTV or HD-Ready

    During the course of shopping for a digital television, the labels HDTV and HD-Ready maybe of some confusion to the consumer.  This HDTV designation signifies that the set has an internal ATSC tuner/decoder, as well as meeting the widescreen specifications often required to be considered a true HDTV.  The sets will meet the requirement to display in 1080i/720p, although it is often the former only.  Very few digital TVs on the market will display in native 720p.  The lack of an ATSC tuner/decoder is not necessarily a negative as many set-top decoders are now available with more features than those included in the integrated HDTV.  The separate purchase of a HD-Ready TV and the external set-top-box often provides flexibility to the consumer to choose one that offers added features such as satellite receiver and the proper output signal.  Most HD-Ready sets will include a high-band component (Y-Pb-Pr) DTV input, although few on the market also offers RGB for this purpose.  There have been much debate between manufacturers as to the aspect ratio specifications of the HDTV designation, and it is now recognized that a true HD set will provide widescreen 16:9 aspect screen.

Industry Standards

    Due to the confusion in the Digital Television labeling, the Consumer Electronics Association has defined the descriptions for television equipment standards listed below:

    High-Definition Television (HDTV): HDTV refers to a complete product/system with the following minimum performance attributes:

        * Receiver: Receives ATSC terrestrial digital transmissions and decodes all ATSC Table 3 video formats
        * Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines of 720 progressive (720p), 1080 interlaced (1080i), or higher
        * Aspect Ratio: Capable of displaying a 16:9 image1
        * Audio: Receives and reproduces, and/or outputs Dolby Digital audio

    High-Definition Television (HDTV) Monitor: HDTV Monitor refers to a monitor or display with the following minimum performance attributes:

        * Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines of 720 progressive (720p), 1080 interlaced (1080i), or higher
        * Aspect Ratio: Capable of displaying a 16:9 image (1)

          (1) In specifications found on product literature and in owner's manuals, manufacturers are required to disclose the number of vertical scanning lines in the 16:9 viewable area, which must be 540p, 810i or higher to meet the definition of HDTV.

    Enhanced Definition Television (EDTV): EDTV refers to a complete product/system with the following minimum performance attributes:

        * Receiver: Receives ATSC terrestrial digital transmissions and decodes all ATSC Table 3 video formats
        * Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines of 480 progressive (480p) or higher
        * Aspect Ratio: None Specified
        * Audio: Receives and reproduces, and/or outputs Dolby Digital audio

    Enhanced Definition Television (EDTV) Monitor: EDTV Monitor refers to a monitor or display with the following minimum performance attributes:

        * Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines of 480 progressive (480p) or higher
        * Aspect Ratio: None specified
        * Audio: Receives and reproduces, and/or outputs Dolby Digital audio

    Standard Definition Television (SDTV): SDTV refers to a complete product/system with the following performance attributes:

        * Receiver: Receives ATSC terrestrial digital transmissions and decodes all ATSC Table 3 video formats, and produces a useable picture
        * Display Scanning Format: Has active vertical scanning lines less than that of EDTV
        * Aspect Ratio: None specified
        * Audio: Receives and reproduces usable audio

How to connect a PC to an HD-Ready Digital TV?

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If there is one question that we receive here on a daily basis, that would be "how do I hook up a PC to my HDTV?".  The value of being able to use the big screen in the family room as a PC monitor is compelling, entertainment melding regular broadcasts with web surfing, 3D gaming, DVD video playback and access to special features, and MP3 jukebox storage and playback.

The combination in theory sounds like a match made in heaven, a high frequency display and a computer, but manufacturers have not been so cooperative.  Recently, DVI based HDTV displays have appeared on the market which may allow you to by-pass this article, but video timing issues as explained still apply.  It is not a simple task, but one which is possible with a little persistence and more importantly, the right gadgets.

The introduction of the HDTV brought us the high-band Component input, otherwise known as Y-Pb-Pr.  While the internal working of the HDTV set had similarities to a PC monitor, the new format is not compatible with the PC standard of VGA otherwise known as RGBHV.  

It seemed that the two would never come together until RCA introduced their first HDTV tuner box, which prompted two manufacturers to step up to the plate to create the VGA to Component trascoder.  Originally designed as a solution to connect RCA's VGA based DTC-100 HDTV tuner to component based HDTV, the transcoder soon became popular with the PC and home theater enthusiasts that wanted to use their PC's DVD player and other entertainment applications on their brand new HD-Ready/HDTV.  The result is a product that will receive a computer/HDTV signal from RGB/VGA format, convert and re-send the signal to the Progressive Component (Y-Pb-Pr) input of HDTV sets.  The models of transcoders available from the two companies are listed below:

Audio Authority - 9A60 VGA to Component Converter
Key Digital - KD-VTCA3 VGA to Component Converter

Now, the caveats......

It's important to know the limitations of this solution as there are no existing standards between the two connection/signal types.  The important details are:

1.  This converter will not work on a standard analog NTSC interlaced TV. Your TV must be an HD-Ready set.

2.  Resolution is limited by the Digital TV used.  While the PC is capable of outputting high resolutions, the HD-Ready set is often fixed to the high-definition TV standards of 480p or 1080i at mere 60Hz cycle (known as refresh rate on a PC).  A proper signal must be generated from the PC to display an image, and not adhering to the signal frequency can damage your HDTV.

3.  The consumer TV often suffers from overscan, cutting of screen information that may make navigation difficult.  Image on the right below is an example of overscan.

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Properly sized screen                                    

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Overscanned image

The above limitations can be overcome providing that your PC's hardware can support special resolutions, and you are able to properly configure the output.  One resolution that will require no special modification is 640x480 (480p) @ 60Hz which should work on virtually all HD-Ready TV.  For those that want to use a higher resolutions (more ideal for web surfing and DVD playback), an application by Entech called PowerStrip can set custom resolutions/timing to match the optimal frequency of your HDTV (normally 1080i, sometimes 720p)

For more information on how to configure your HDTV to a PC, read Wayne Harrelson's Excellent Guide to PowerStrip.

Point of Interest:  Reverse transcoders are available to connect a Progressive Component output (Progressive Scan DVD, XBox) to RGB/VGA for use with a PC Monitor.

Audio Authority 9A62 Component to VGA Converter
Key Digital KD-CTCA3 Component to VGA Converter


Source: Digital Connection

And here's an extra bit from fellow forumer stringfellow:
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The connection method for usage for your videogame consoles is virtually the same as connection to PC, only that you dont have to tinker with Powerstrip , it is preset to the three popular HDTV modes, 480p, 720p and 1080i.


Thanks to stringfellow for the link and info.

So, please refer to this before starting any new threads on HDTVs and please post any questions about it here. Feel free to post further info here as well.
Ninja
QUOTE(Coconut @ Jan 31 2008, 06:08 PM)
@ninja : yup 7999 also, then just try to nego for fun with the salesman, then he give me 7500...still very expensive compare to Legend or adrian biggrin.gif
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How much Legend SS2 quote for both models? hmm.gif
terencetoo
legend SS2 do sell cheaper LCD's?
where im looking for 32" too for gaming
haven pay a visit at Legends scrad my hands itchy swipe cc
cyclonekid
Well I went to legend. But instead I found a shop a couple hundred bucks cheaper. The shop is beside Tesco Puchong called Mekatronik. I bought my Aquos there...
Ninja
QUOTE(cyclonekid @ Feb 2 2008, 01:52 AM)
Well I went to legend. But instead I found a shop a couple hundred bucks cheaper. The shop is beside Tesco Puchong called Mekatronik. I bought my Aquos there...
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You bought the A63M? How much?
wunan


there's one shop offering lcd hd ready samsung 32" R7 for rm2200. is it a good deal?..he said
the promotion for chinese new year only...by next week the price will go up to normal price.
rx330
by next week the price would even go lower, dun trust him
R7 is a phase out model, heck even its predecessor, R8 shud be phasing out soon as well
uhavenot
which shop is that lol.. i went to a shop that said that also.. " cny promotions.. must get it this week.. "
the moment i saw the r7,i know that its and old model coz i've seen it long time ago

i end up getting the R8 tongue.gif stylish

but r8 getting phased out soon D: ohmy.gif
rx330
R8 quite long liao lar
welwitchia
R7 black levels are BAD!!!! If u have a choice, don't get it.
R8 is not too bad..just the reds are over exaggerated but that can be solved by reducing the individual color levels.

Me waiting for PV80. I sure hope i don't have to wait long.

QUOTE(wunan @ Feb 5 2008, 10:17 AM)
there's one shop offering lcd hd ready samsung 32" R7 for rm2200. is it a good deal?..he said
the promotion for chinese new year only...by next week the price will go up to normal price.
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wunan

what price u get for the R8 and size? care to share?
the shop is here in penang at megamall prai.

QUOTE(uhavenot @ Feb 5 2008, 11:39 AM)
which shop is that lol.. i went to a shop that said that also.. " cny promotions.. must get it this week.. "
the moment i saw the r7,i know that its and old model coz i've seen it long time ago

i end up getting the R8  tongue.gif  stylish

but r8 getting phased out soon D: ohmy.gif
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uhavenot
i got mine for rm2600 with HDMI cable . Size 32" . Bought mine from SS2
rx330
i think pv80 shud be here soon, i read somebody bought the 70 @ 4599, not 5499 biggrin.gif
welwitchia
Wow, sure signs that the PV70 is gonna be phased out soon.
stanleyow
My suggestion is try keep out of Samsung LCD TV because of market pricing competition issue, they have gradually low grade their products & qualities. Instead you may consider on Toshiba, Sony or Sharp.....
You will notice the differences even on the product weight itself. I was enlighted by a close pal which working in Audio Video division.

Stan
abasan
Hello guys,

can you advice me which model for 32" or 37" is good value for money. Want to watch astro and play ps3 on it.. thanks.

I got price from harvey norman 2799 - samsung R81
SSJBen
QUOTE(abasan @ Feb 8 2008, 06:39 PM)
Hello guys,

can you advice me which model for 32" or 37" is good value for money. Want to watch astro and play ps3 on it.. thanks.

I got price from harvey norman 2799 - samsung R81
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I think for 2799 you can get the Sony Bravia V series 32" isn't it?

Depends on the place you gonna put your TV though. Bedroom, I would say 32" is nice enough. 37" is more for like a small living room.
cyclonekid
QUOTE(Ninja @ Feb 2 2008, 04:50 PM)
You bought the A63M? How much?
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I bought the 37' for RM 4000. Quite nice I might say.
rx330
personally i think 32 is dem small, meaningless
sinclairZX81
32" would be suitable for gaming in a small room and you are sitting about 4' away. For an average living hall, min I guess would be 40".
rx330
yea, agree with sinclair, 32 suitable for pc monitors
theGOne
Hi guys, any opinion on Samsung R81 32" for HD gaming, DVD and ASTRO? They have promotion now, guess new model coming out soon. Any news on when new model coming out? Thanks!
saiga
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 12 2008, 09:57 AM)
personally i think 32 is dem small, meaningless
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bro, got meaning la..for peasant with small living hall like me tongue.gif

already tried 40 inch tv, too near for me and astro very bad, kenot tahan rclxub.gif
rx330
bro saiga, u wan astro to be even better, get 26 " biggrin.gif

actually u can consider 37 if 40 is too large
abasan
Ok thanks guys. My room is pretty small... and I would be sitting from about 5 feet away... watching astro some more... plus it won't blow a hole in my budget!

How about the price? Is samsung r81 a good model and is the price worth it? Is the Sony Bravia a better model?

thanks!
rx330
personally i would avoid samsung
jasjas
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 13 2008, 11:46 AM)
personally i would avoid samsung
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Agree with u, either korean brand, their QC seem to b dropped..... doh.gif
saiga
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:55 AM)
bro saiga, u wan astro to be even better, get 26 " biggrin.gif

actually u can consider 37 if 40 is too large
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but for movie so small ler.... tongue.gif
I've consider 37 inch, but to bad that time don't have that size for Sharp PX5M.
My wife alredi making noise, so kenot wait.Temporary nevermind la.But confirm next time
at least 42 inch icon_rolleyes.gif .Hopefully pioneer summore thumbup.gif
rx330
brosaiga.... u mind me asking, wat size CRT u currently using?
JiauBoy
can forget abt cap jinsing
redken
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 12 2008, 09:57 AM)
personally i think 32 is dem small, meaningless
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It's ok la. I had mine for almost 2.5 years already. At that time, 32 inchers cost a bomb.
rx330
ya, tat tim really Expensip
saiga
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 14 2008, 09:17 AM)
brosaiga.... u mind me asking, wat size CRT u currently using?
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I dun have any CRT@tv before, this Sharp LCD is my first tv tongue.gif
dracozz
QUOTE(cyclonekid @ Feb 11 2008, 10:10 PM)
I bought the 37' for RM 4000. Quite nice I might say.
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cyclonekid, u bought sharp lc37a63m in puchong???
this model is not available in m'sia as i know.

if this is d model u bought, how is d quality???
snipersnake
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 12 2008, 09:57 AM)
personally i think 32 is dem small, meaningless
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what to do, my wallet small only cry.gif
rx330
depending on the distance also lar
SSJBen
I may be picking the recently released LG 32LB9R/1 for my bedroom(32 inch is definitely the max I can go since I don't have a large enough space for anything else).

So, anyone has opinions on it? So far from reviews, its been pretty good. Quite a few says its even better than the Sony Bravia 32V300A.
rx330
wow, better than sony?
SSJBen
Exactly that, which is why I'm pondering to pick the LG up instead of the Sony since their prices are pretty close to each other.
saiga
get one then. some LG monitor also got great reviews so no need to worry. biggrin.gif
welwitchia
Prices for the new line of Panasonic Plasmas are out.

http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-electro...000000000005702

Guess I'll aim for the TH-42PZ80U. 1080p for USD1600. Cool!! tongue.gif
rx330
welwitchia... if only if its selling here for 1600 usd....
welwitchia
^ There's always hope right? biggrin.gif
rx330
me also hoping for the kuro to sell @ panny price here
saiga
Me too tongue.gif
ar188
QUOTE(rx330 @ Feb 17 2008, 11:22 PM)
me also hoping for the kuro to sell @ panny price here
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time to go projector 80-100inches..la.. you already got HD42 plasma, so even if you get a new 42" kuro, you won't get a "new" toy effect... cos your eyes have "been there done that"..just deeper blacks, but same ol 42" size picture effect..
rx330
who says i wan the 42? kekekek just kiddinglar..

next stop, projector biggrin.gif
lapaq
RX,

Right now u are using the PV70 ar?

It's an old model right? and the resolutio is 1024*768 only....how does it fare with a PS3 game?
skidd
yep thinking of getting pv70 also.. how does it fare?
rx330
u cant really say old model , its the current model in msia, as the replacement aint here yet biggrin.gif

yes, it has 1024 X 768 only, same as pioneer 42 inches plasma, but its HD alrite, eve though the maths doesnt add up

how does it fare? hmmm, for tat price, i must say its good
but..... since u are willing to fork out abt rm 5k for a 42 incher.. whynot got projector? for 5 k u shud be able to have the projector and screen and has sizes up to 100" anytime
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