Sony A200 or Olympus E410 which should i choose?

what do you want to shoot?
as far as i know the olly dont have a shallow dof with its kit lens.
so if you are a fan of bokeh, you're going to be disappointed.
the sony has super steady shot which is good for shaky hands and low light conditions. while the olly doesn't.

but the olly excels in light weight and compact in both lens and body.
so if you are a frequent traveler, its a huge benefit.
live-view is also a huge advantage for the olly which is useful for high or low angle shots.

its a matter of personal preferences. you'll have to take those cams for a test drive to see which of them really fits you.
the canon is releasing the 450d which i think is worth looking at.

definitely A200!!

You want bokeh, you can't go wrong with a200.

btw on price wise..
a200 only 2499 with twin lense package..

wow...
thats a steal!

yup.... so ridiculous isn't it?

What about E510 vs A200? Let's forget the price different and just comparing the body plus kit lenses that comes with (tumpang this thread ya, thanks).

a200 advantage over E-510
- bokeh, narrow DOF range by nature, nice for portraits
- 9-point autofocus
- battery grip support
- better ISO performance at higher ISO
- ISO up to 3200 which is still acceptable
- 3:2 ratio, traditional standard
- slightly larger body, nice grip

E-510 advantage over a200
- better kit lens (as claimed by many people)
- Live View (can view like PnS camera)
- wide DOF range by nature, nice for landscapes
- 4:3 ratio, digital standard
- lighter and smaller body

You're really monitoring the DSLR current market. Hail the sifu .
BTW, if you don't mind (or else just ignore this) can you pls elaborate these :

- 3:2 ratio, traditional standard vs 4:3 ratio, digital standard
- narrow DOF range by nature, nice for portraits vs wide DOF range by nature, nice for landscapes

Thanks for the earlier reply!

Traditional film format is using 3:2 ratio. If you print 4R photographs... they're about 6" x 4" .... the dimension ratio is 3:2 correct? Other photo print sizes that utilizes 3:2 ratio are S8R (12x8), S10R (15x10), S12R (18x12). Other sizes such as 3R, 5R, etc are not exactly 3:2. The only 4:3 ratio standard print size is 6R if I'm not mistaken. If you guys print photo to the size which does not meet the dimension ratio, the photo will be cropped. That is why if some of you printed photo from your PnS camera or handphone camera, sometimes the head chopped la, the feet chopped la.... this is because the photo dimension.

4:3 digital standard meanwhile is the same like your monitor resolution, also the same as your PnS camera photos, and also digital TV (such as cable TV, digital satellite TV, DVD, VCD), and also projectors (for presentations). And as I mention before, if you want to print photos to 4R or any other photo size besides 6R, the photo will be cropped.

Regarding the DOF.... 4:3 LiveMOS sensor is smaller than Sony's 3:2 CCD sensor. Naturally, the bigger the sensor, the shallower the DOF compare to a smaller sensor, at the same focal length. It's just like APS-C vs full-frame.... full frame will have shallower DOF naturally due to the sensor size.

Shallow DOF = bokeh = nice for portraits, gives the OOF effect to background
Wide DOF = no bokeh = landscapes

But of course DOF can be obtained thru aperture adjustment, but still bigger sensor will have shallower DOF than smaller sensor.

go for 450D!!! oso got live view...hahah
poison poison

450D will be a bit more expensive.... sure RM3k and above one.
a300?

for the 2.5k budget
best choice will b A200 ofcoz
no doubt about it hehe
soulfly when is ur a200 comin?

I cancel my plan of getting a200... keeping my a100.

1500 quite a good price...i think..if u r seriously into photography then upgrading is part and parcel of self improvement.......

it's my "first DSLR", and I'll keeping it....sentimental value.
probably will be getting 2nd body when i have enough budget.

Yeah, your A-100 needs a 'partner'.... how 'bout the A-700?

Is A200 a improvement over there A100 ?
If it is , then why the price drop so much ?

a200 has improvement over a100

sony can make a200 cheaper because it shares some component from a700 like shutter mechanism and auto-focus mechanism.

notice that sony has been pricing their product very competitively recently..like T2, T200 and the new A200...i think it's their new strategy to capture mkt share.

Hmm, does Sony have any fast (f2.8-f4.5) zooms? Weather-proofed as well to match the A-700?

i vote for Sony A200

What is bokeh actually?

Sony 16-80mm f3.5-4.5 CZ
Sony 16-105mm f3.5-4.5
Sony 24-105mm f3.5-4.5
Sony 70-200mm f2.8 G SSM

Sony 16mm f2.8 Fisheye
Sony 20mm f2.8
Sony 28mm f2.8
Sony 50mm f2.8 Macro
Sony 100mm f2.8 Macro
Sony 135mm f2.8 STF
Sony 300mm f2.8 G SSM

Weather proofed or not... not sure lazy to check

Hmm, I tried checking on Sony's website about the 16-80, 16-105, and 70-200 but the specs don't mention anything about weather proofing. Well, it's a nice-to-have feature, not something imperative yet - only for the rare few that goes out to shoot in crazy weather.

is that the curve sony style start selling! then twin lens package?

Soulfly waiting to upgrade to the mega 24mp Sony that's coming soon.

Awww.. if u re going for the live view , sony has it in A300.. the price wont be a big diff i guess.. LoL..

Guys, how much will A300 cost?? around?

It's selling at $799.99 (body+kit lens) and $999.99 (body+2 kit lens) in the US (SonyStyle US price).

A300 and A200.. a300 much better? or not much different?

it's actually A200 + Live View

i vote onli the best pic (no matter what camera he use)...and vote my signature..

my prediction is A300 single lense kit will be priced about the same with A200 with 2 lense kit.. or slightly more...

This is SonyStyle US official MSRP...

a200 w/SAL-1870 .............................. $699.99
a200 w/SAL-1870 & SAL-75300 ........... $899.99
a300 w/SAL-1870 ............................... $799.99
a300 w/SAL-1870 & SAL-55200 ............ $999.99
a350 body .......................................... $799.99
a350 w/SAL-1870 ................................ $899.99
a350 w/SAL-1870 & SAL-55200 ............. $1099.99

Hmm.. Interesting pricing they have..
A350 with single kit lense is very tempting.. priced same as A200 with dual kit lense.. damn!

Between Sony SAL-75300 and Sigma 70mm-300mm F4/5.6 APO , which is better ?

If both are same, i might get the dual lens kit

the Sigma is better at macro (1:2 magnification ratio)... the SAL-75300 is only about 1:4

oh oh i see.....keke
thanks for enlighten me again

now waiting A200 come only....
lenses wise, will try to whack out those authorized shop.....I dont think I can find out sigma lenses in Sabah

I vote for A200 too because of the APS-C size sensor and real SLR handling grip. The E-410 doesn't have them and it is on the 4/3 sensor where the sensor is significantly less competitive in terms of noise control. Very subjective though.

buy a200 + flash...if you prefer more in indoor shooting!!!

LoL.. A350 is just like A200 + extra 4mp and live view rite?? so how tempting can that be??

Wait for the A300/350 then. But if you don't care about the LiveView, then the A200 with its twin lens kit is a super deal as someone over here calls it.

The Liveview could be a godsend feature if you do a lot of macro, but isn't fast enough to capture action shots. I don't do macro much, and so I hardly use my E-3's Liveview.

Same case here. I don't use my 40D's LiveView too. Very troublesome focusing and mirror flipping action. Sounds like it wants to flip and throw out the mirror. I still stick to conventional advices to use the DSLR via the viewfinder. However I do want to reserve the LiveView for difficult to capture shots like over a crowd.

I also support the orange.

I think autofocus should be better than Olympus that I had tried (super bad).

And it is my opinion that sensor size cannot be further smaller than 1/5/1.6 cropping factor liao la... Quality does suck no matter how good one can do the post digital image processing...

olympus cannot produce good bokeh?

check this pic out..



and dont forget you get 2x cropping factor..400mm lens become 800mm EFL


then u get these type of shots..

Canon can do better with its 1200mm prime lense.

lol tat is not my point la..

putting the same 1200mm lens on any oly slr will give you 2400 EFL which will give you more reach..

Ya I know that....

It is actually I have special feeling for the lense... Hard to explain...