ccschua
Oct 29 2008, 07:40 PM
I need 1 x 35V1000 and 1x 25V2200 black gate !
What is ringing? what which freq u hear ringing at the speaker ? bass, acoustic guitar, vocal or cymbals?
so if the ceramic cap is marked 22p on the casing, is it 22pF or 220pF?
What happen if I put 220pF in place of 22pF for the output noise killing cap of the ZERO DAC .
empire23
Oct 29 2008, 08:02 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 29 2008, 07:40 PM)
I need 1 x 35V1000 and 1x 25V2200 black gate !
What is ringing? what which freq u hear ringing at the speaker ? bass, acoustic guitar, vocal or cymbals?
so if the ceramic cap is marked 22p on the casing, is it 22pF or 220pF?
What happen if I put 220pF in place of 22pF for the output noise killing cap of the ZERO DAC .
Ringing is due to the switching action of the diode's depletion zone, i'm not sure where you hear ringing, i've never tried to listen to it before, but i have seen it's effects in really sensitive instrumentation amps.
Changes in capacitance aren't as important as changes in resistance as rule of thumb. If it's for the ground loop breaker, it shouldn't be an issue. If it's for the output filter, use the formula
F (Frequency of cutoff) = 1 / 2 pi R C
Do the math for each (one with 220pF and one with 22pF) and see if the cut off is acceptable. If you ask me the difference between 220pF and 22pF is small in inverse terms (the formula is an inverse, remember that), so i wouldn't worry. But in my opinion, a larger capacitor would mean a lower cutoff point, which will mean less noise, but if you go too low a cutoff point, you lose dynamics and the timbre of the high frequencies.
ccschua
Oct 29 2008, 08:07 PM
Hi empy,
I have a problem buying panasonic cap from Farnell, they are stupid to sell something at multiple of 5 (meaning cant buy 6, must be 5, 10, 15).
Can I know the stock main cap 25V2200uF KLE cap is taking in what voltage ? is it taking in at 17V or 15V ? Can I use 16V3300 cap ?
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empire23
Oct 29 2008, 08:23 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 29 2008, 08:07 PM)
Hi empy,
I have a problem buying panasonic cap from Farnell, they are stupid to sell something at multiple of 5 (meaning cant buy 6, must be 5, 10, 15).
Can I know the stock main cap 25V2200uF KLE cap is taking in what voltage ? is it taking in at 17V or 15V ? Can I use 16V3300 cap ?
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I think it's 15 volts, that's the usual. But remember when a transformer is unloaded, the voltage can shoot up 50 percent which means 15 + 7.5 = 22.5, meaning 25v is the best voltage rating for the cap.
sep90
Oct 30 2008, 01:25 AM
QUOTE(scy320 @ Oct 29 2008, 02:22 AM)
haha,after u poison sukhoi now u target me d,lolz.

well u will be poison definitely but on the other hand u will reach to another level of enlightment
lol
dun worry i look after u slowly ler
after we r all here for 1 thing lol rite?
either get poisoned or poison ppl
abel
Oct 30 2008, 09:44 AM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 29 2008, 08:07 PM)
Hi empy,
I have a problem buying panasonic cap from Farnell, they are stupid to sell something at multiple of 5 (meaning cant buy 6, must be 5, 10, 15).
Can I know the stock main cap 25V2200uF KLE cap is taking in what voltage ? is it taking in at 17V or 15V ? Can I use 16V3300 cap ?
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is no problem ... even my CD63 original just using 470uf 35v Elna Silmic i replace with Panasonic FC 3300uf 35v the bass are more deep and got more energy i found some on the website some mat salleh put 4700uf 35v

the voltage better use the higher like empire say those voltage are normally unstable will load very high ... like my fren saw before he got using Voltage Regulator for his main plug to his equipment he saw his meter some time is go up to 260v AC and normal we only 220v-230v even sometime is low
ccschua
Oct 30 2008, 09:45 PM
for some reasons, after checking I manage to find Panasonic FC at loose items.
So I am waiting for the Panasonic to arrive tomorow. : )
abel
Oct 30 2008, 10:49 PM
hehehehe good to hear that u put higher value i remember zero use 2 x 1000uf and 2 x 2200uf
i have 2 x 2200uf 25v
ccschua
Oct 30 2008, 10:54 PM
QUOTE(abel @ Oct 30 2008, 10:49 PM)
hehehehe good to hear that u put higher value i remember zero use 2 x 1000uf and 2 x 2200uf
here is my item selection.
to those who want to mod, it is rock and roll.
http://my.farnell.com/jsp/home/homepage.jsp [just key in the part no]
Part Num. Quantity . Availability Line Price Description Mfr Part # Mfr Name
========= ========== ============ ========== ======================================== ============= ================
1219461 9 In Stock 12.69 CAPACITOR, RADIAL, 330UF, 16V; Applicati EEUFM1C331 PANASONIC
9692959 5 In Stock 4.00 CAPACITOR, 47UF, 50V; Application:High T ECA1HHG470 PANASONIC
1264871 2 In Stock 10.16 CAPACITOR, 22PF, 500V; Capacitance:22pF; CD15ED220DO3F CORNELL DUBILIER
1219466 8 In Stock 6.72 CAPACITOR, RADIAL, 100UF, 25V; Applicati EEUFM1E101 PANASONIC
9692070 5 In Stock 16.70 CAPACITOR, 1200UF, 16V; Application:Low EEUFC1C122 PANASONIC
3036467 4 In Stock 52.52 CAPACITOR, 3300UF 35V; Capacitance:3300ยต EEUFC1V332. PANASONIC
1311569 2 In Stock 5.16 Silver Mica Capacitor; Capacitance:22pF; CD15ED220JO3F CORNELL DUBILIER
detail of mod, refer here.
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/frankenze...85/#post4843415http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/zero-mod-...69/#post4843227
RAV4
Oct 30 2008, 11:01 PM
Chua, so you're buying on your own? Can you post the link here so I can order also? And this is to replace which part? Thanks.
Added on October 30, 2008, 11:09 pmOh, thanks for posting the list. How many pieces do I need for each?
abel
Oct 30 2008, 11:12 PM
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Oct 30 2008, 11:01 PM)
Chua, so you're buying on your own? Can you post the link here so I can order also? And this is to replace which part? Thanks.
Added on October 30, 2008, 11:09 pmOh, thanks for posting the list. How many pieces do I need for each?
just get from farnell
my cap collection but empire is got alot more hehehe
empire u got any blackgate left hehehe

i wanna keep some
ccschua
Oct 31 2008, 07:50 PM
QUOTE(abel @ Oct 30 2008, 11:12 PM)
just get from farnell
my cap collection but empire is got alot more hehehe
empire u got any blackgate left hehehe

i wanna keep some
Farnell is superfast. order yesterday, today arrive all the way from singapore. They even send in 1 item (worth 10 rm ) all the way from USA without additional costs.
See that little double heart. that is the silver mica. I am going back to putting cap where people snip it.
LittleGhost
Oct 31 2008, 07:53 PM
^that's what i'm telling the farnell skeptics for 10000 years.
Farnell kicks ass, tough there's a learning curve before you know how to make use of it.
EDIT: Eh? You ordered Pana FCs? The FMs are better leh.
ccschua
Oct 31 2008, 07:56 PM
Hi little,
I have a project to mod the USB-spdif converter, which I rightly see in your sig.
Can I know what clock u see for the PCM2702E? Is it a separate power source or u use the souce from USB ?
Do u mod the on board cap / XO ?
Do u know where to get XO with 10ppm, cheap and good.
FiSHjIGN
Nov 1 2008, 01:31 AM
Do you guys have a direct link on farnell to an ALPS volume pot that will fit the ZERO? I got the RK27 model but it doesn't fit :/ The box is too big.
ccschua
Nov 1 2008, 01:50 AM
I have a difficulty to remove the capacitor. My first experiment is to replace the 10uF Nichicon muse in the USB->spdif converter to 100uF Panasonic FC.
Tried very hard to remove the cap but it just dont come out, though I had suck out the solder. At the end, the cap is broken.
empire23
Nov 1 2008, 05:42 AM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Nov 1 2008, 01:50 AM)
I have a difficulty to remove the capacitor. My first experiment is to replace the 10uF Nichicon muse in the USB->spdif converter to 100uF Panasonic FC.
Tried very hard to remove the cap but it just dont come out, though I had suck out the solder. At the end, the cap is broken.
Hurr, try removing the capacitor by heating one pad and then tilting it to one side, repeat the process for the other side and keep cycling until cap comes out. Works for me.
abel
Nov 1 2008, 07:06 AM
QUOTE(empire23 @ Nov 1 2008, 05:42 AM)
Hurr, try removing the capacitor by heating one pad and then tilting it to one side, repeat the process for the other side and keep cycling until cap comes out. Works for me.
yeah and dont put ur solder gun too long at the pad will spoil ur pad just heating for 1-2 sec ermm Nichicon MUSE is good enuf y change to FC hehehe
Added on November 1, 2008, 7:14 amQUOTE(FiSHjIGN @ Nov 1 2008, 01:31 AM)
Do you guys have a direct link on farnell to an ALPS volume pot that will fit the ZERO? I got the RK27 model but it doesn't fit :/ The box is too big.
http://my.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.js...1&Ntt=ALPS&Ntx=
ccschua
Nov 1 2008, 07:28 AM
QUOTE(empire23 @ Nov 1 2008, 05:42 AM)
Hurr, try removing the capacitor by heating one pad and then tilting it to one side, repeat the process for the other side and keep cycling until cap comes out. Works for me.
For those beginners trying to DIY the solder job, here is the great guide. Never know tower can stop the wiggling and a magnifier not for old man but a open copper track ...
http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/frankenze...tml#post4931453isnt it fun to see some photos.
he really take pain to insulate the leads !!! also the green sausage dont have polarity right.




LittleGhost
Nov 1 2008, 08:41 AM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 31 2008, 07:56 PM)
Hi little,
I have a project to mod the USB-spdif converter, which I rightly see in your sig.
Can I know what clock u see for the PCM2702E? Is it a separate power source or u use the souce from USB ?
Do u mod the on board cap / XO ?
Do u know where to get XO with 10ppm, cheap and good.
it's a miniUSB powered DAC akin to AlienDAC/BantamDAC.
Nah, I didnt mod the on board caps, it's all Panasonic FMs. Probably going to change the output caps to purely film in the future though.
empire23
Nov 1 2008, 09:08 AM
ccschua
Nov 1 2008, 11:08 AM
I think it is better I use solder wick, in order not to spoil the pad.
abel
Nov 1 2008, 09:59 PM
my CD63 mod now waiting my clock to arrived

GodLuvSxS
Nov 2 2008, 12:01 AM
QUOTE(abel @ Nov 1 2008, 09:59 PM)
my CD63 mod now waiting my clock to arrived


Dont worry, the stuff is going to reach very soon

Cant wait to see it's impact did on your CD63 ...
ccschua
Nov 3 2008, 10:26 PM
I was having a tough time trying to replace the caps. But in the end, it is fun.
I was extra careful, in fact, after each step, i bring it to the amp and test, remove, and back and forth.

mADmAN
Nov 3 2008, 10:28 PM
haiyaaaaaaa....dont la just post like that bro.....
tell us the result man! how u think of the mod??
are the mods the same as mine?
ccschua
Nov 3 2008, 10:35 PM
well , this is only phase 1 mod.
I almost give up, lucky got abel help.
I am more interested into this mod, putting a lot of green sausage underneath the PCB for the power supply bypass.
http://cgi.ebay.com/K42Y-2-0-033uF-500V-PI...id=p3286.c0.m14
Added on November 6, 2008, 12:17 amHi Empy,
I would hope u can explain about the pink arrow (missing components or underneath ?) and red arrow (replace resisor with cap ? why )
what is the purpose replace tantalum at the OPA cap ?

tks.
RAV4
Nov 6 2008, 09:21 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Nov 3 2008, 10:35 PM)
well , this is only phase 1 mod.
I almost give up, lucky got abel help.
I am more interested into this mod, putting a lot of green sausage underneath the PCB for the power supply bypass.
http://cgi.ebay.com/K42Y-2-0-033uF-500V-PI...id=p3286.c0.m14Hi Chua, if you want, I can share with you to split the shipping since 1 pack has 30 pieces.
ccschua
Nov 6 2008, 09:30 PM
OK, I am done. I had a singapore guy bought 10 from me, and 10 for u.
rgds
abel
Nov 8 2008, 06:33 PM
singapore ... not russian meh hehehe?
ccschua
Nov 8 2008, 08:26 PM
Does it sound like Jesus is coming ! Welcome to the green Sausages.
Some really get crazy about that .
The final moment has come for the ZERO mod. Just for simple mod on the past few post, I felt the changes in SQ is very stunning.
I just learned putting higher voltage such as 63V has the effect of more capacitance than the 25V.
Now my Panasonic FC begins to reveal its true color. When I first put in (without the green PIO bypass yet), I was like so so ah. then I just wait curiously for it to unfold. after nearly 5 days, I begin to hear the warm of it and the transparency. The punch and the body begins to throw in.
I am just waiting for the PIO to arrive and I hope to be Penchuum, give me the last green sausage.
Yes. ZERO rocks.
abel
Nov 8 2008, 09:38 PM
but this green sausage be careful bcoz is quite heavy compare other cap
ccschua
Nov 9 2008, 01:25 PM
Today spend some time further mod the ZERO, call it phase 2.
Replace the 330uF at the 15V supply to opamp. 2 x elna silmic 2
2. 2 x pana FC beside the opamp,
3. 1 oscon at the optical input area
4. 1 x 47uf pana fc at the clock area
5. replace the 2 tiny 22pf with Silver mica (5%)
phew. during the mod no light on, same as Abel case.
Check back all the cap mod. found jumper lead lifted off. Total jumper 6 nos. wow, really tough, but really sweet now.
abel
Nov 9 2008, 01:44 PM
eheheheeh becareful
ccschua
Nov 9 2008, 02:14 PM
QUOTE(abel @ Nov 9 2008, 01:44 PM)
I took about 1 hour to trouble the 2 problem. Tracing the circuit to where it come from. U need a very bright light, and use the backlight to trace. The problem with open circuit is solved if u can handle the multimeter.
Now I am waiting for final phase : -
1. 8 x green sausage
2. 10 x ultra fast diode UF4007
here is the result. [oh my. the sound is really killing me softly. Madmen, can we have ur unit for a AB man]
abel
Nov 9 2008, 07:09 PM
i spot got 2 silmic hehehe how the sound now
ccschua
Nov 9 2008, 08:28 PM
Sounds good. I hope the sound will be better after 250 hours.
Does anyone know the difference between UF4001 and UF4007. What is the forward voltage and reverse recovery time ? which is better ?
abel
Nov 10 2008, 02:32 AM
both also ultra fast recovery but spec are different pls double check
mADmAN
Nov 10 2008, 02:39 AM

wanna do another comparison ah?? caaaaaaaaaaaaannn
but now abit tough as im back to work and workload is MASSIVE
jerren
Nov 10 2008, 11:59 PM
not only the workload is MASSIVE,
the item and the jargon being use is a bit massive for me too..
not knowing too much of them..
i think that's y so few ppl replying recently..
GodLuvSxS
Nov 12 2008, 09:56 PM
Emmm ... now Abel got the SUN discrete opamp and clock ... must be busy integrating it into his CD63 ... Oh ya ... will get my new DAC within this week

Will do a review between ZERO dac and DAC100, stay tuned!
ccschua
Nov 12 2008, 11:36 PM
Dont forget to bring the unit for review too.
The mod here is easy to follow provided u read up the thread in head-fi. if still complecated, then u may post here what u are not sure off.
the simple mod on zero really results in good sound output. I am waiting for another 100 hours to get the sound stabilized.
abel
Nov 13 2008, 10:18 AM
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Nov 12 2008, 09:56 PM)
Emmm ... now Abel got the SUN discrete opamp and clock ... must be busy integrating it into his CD63 ... Oh ya ... will get my new DAC within this week

Will do a review between ZERO dac and DAC100, stay tuned!
i try both earth n sun .... both also i like but moon i not really like it
earth give me neutral sound ... sun give me more energy sound bass more tight n deeper sound stage more wider and forward
Added on November 15, 2008, 4:50 amermm at last i finish install my clock lucky got eddy to help me .. if not dunno until when only finish

at last my zero is alive take me 1 nite to fix it back
now already change some cap
ccschua
Nov 16 2008, 11:52 PM
Still see a lot of blue cap. good to see the revival. ready for FrankenZero.
GodLuvSxS
Nov 17 2008, 02:53 AM
QUOTE(abel @ Nov 13 2008, 10:18 AM)
i try both earth n sun .... both also i like but moon i not really like it
earth give me neutral sound ... sun give me more energy sound bass more tight n deeper sound stage more wider and forward
Added on November 15, 2008, 4:50 amermm at last i finish install my clock lucky got eddy to help me .. if not dunno until when only finish

at last my zero is alive take me 1 nite to fix it back
now already change some cap

Nice to see your ZERO is alive! Sorry for not helping u reviving it, so you get it back on track yourself?
abel
Nov 17 2008, 09:54 AM
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Nov 17 2008, 02:53 AM)
Nice to see your ZERO is alive! Sorry for not helping u reviving it, so you get it back on track yourself?

yeah .. but after sometime new problem

opamp no supply go in
ccschua
Nov 18 2008, 11:42 PM
jerren
Nov 19 2008, 12:01 AM
no headphone amp???
abel
Nov 19 2008, 12:10 AM
QUOTE(jerren @ Nov 19 2008, 12:01 AM)
yeah he remove it bcoz we dont use for headphone just used for the DAC
jerren
Nov 19 2008, 12:27 AM
recently i made myself a Canare L-4E6S cable with Neutrik NYS352G phono, connects the Zero to Aego to sattelite,
i can hear the improvements, totally another steps of upgrades..
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