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RAV4
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 22 2008, 12:36 AM)
Hi abel,

audio-gd says if u add the new power supply +15V +5V , new audio-gd clock, and any times it is better than original Marantz CD17.

[of course u already bypass HDAM]

heard u are buying OPA. why not wait for bulk from steve
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Hi Chua, when you said new power supply and clock, do you mean for Abel's CD73 or for Zero?

I saw from one of your previous post that you're going to mod your caps. I'm wondering if can also purchase those caps together with you? I think that's the final step to squeeze the rest of SQ from the Zero. Thanks!
yennshin
any updates on the dac, god?
abel
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Oct 22 2008, 06:17 PM)
Hi Chua, when you said new power supply and clock, do you mean for Abel's CD73 or for Zero?

I saw from one of your previous post that you're going to mod your caps. I'm wondering if can also purchase those caps together with you? I think that's the final step to squeeze the rest of SQ from the Zero. Thanks!
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i dont have all i just have small amount of the cap
ccschua
Although I like to modify the cap, but after thinking Abel ICU unit, !!!

still thinking, better sound or kaput.
GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(abel @ Oct 22 2008, 08:49 AM)
yeah actually my fren want it he want 2 x moon , 2 x sun , 2 x earth and i want clock steve ada discount or not ah heheheh
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I will try to help u nego some discount if u can confirm the order with me biggrin.gif

QUOTE(yennshin @ Oct 22 2008, 06:19 PM)
any updates on the dac, god?
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Hi yennshin, it's already on the way back to Malaysia ... estimate 1 1/2 more week to get it if KASTAM doesnt kacau too much biggrin.gif

QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 22 2008, 08:51 PM)
Although I like to modify the cap, but after thinking Abel ICU unit, !!!

still thinking, better sound or kaput.
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Dilemma tongue.gif
RAV4
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 22 2008, 08:51 PM)
Although I like to modify the cap, but after thinking Abel ICU unit, !!!

still thinking, better sound or kaput.
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Eh? Abel fried his Zero? Opps...
jerren
thanks for the tips..
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 22 2008, 06:43 AM)
yes u can. the middle leg is the ground pin.
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abel
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Oxburg
any update?
abel
i think wanna get 4 SUN , EARTH trying now , Moon not suite my player
ccschua
Hi guys,

I am in for the mod

Index Quantity Part Number Description Customer Reference Backorder Quantity Unit Price
USD Extended Price
USD
1 2 493-1845-ND CAP 4700UF 25V ELECT PW RADIAL 0 1.45000 $2.90
2 2 493-1791-ND CAP 1200UF 16V ELECT PW RADIAL 0 0.76000 $1.52
3 4 P12372-ND CAP 330UF 16V ELECT FM RADIAL 0 0.32000 $1.28
4 14 UF4007CT-ND DIODE FAST 1000V 1A DO-41 0 0.19500 $2.73
5 4 P12923-ND CAP ELECT 47UF 25V FM RADIAL 0 0.16000 $0.64
6 4 604-1055-ND CAP 100UF 25V ELECT AUDIO RAD 0 0.48000 $1.92

Let me know if u are interested. Total less than 20 usd.

If u want to know what is the mod, refer (phase 1, 2 )

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/frankenze...85/#post4843415
abel
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 25 2008, 01:14 PM)
Hi guys,

I am in for the mod

Index Quantity Part Number Description Customer Reference Backorder Quantity Unit Price
USD Extended Price
USD
1 2 493-1845-ND CAP 4700UF 25V ELECT PW RADIAL    0 1.45000 $2.90
2 2 493-1791-ND CAP 1200UF 16V ELECT PW RADIAL    0 0.76000 $1.52
3 4 P12372-ND CAP 330UF 16V ELECT FM RADIAL    0 0.32000 $1.28
4 14 UF4007CT-ND DIODE FAST 1000V 1A DO-41    0 0.19500 $2.73
5 4 P12923-ND CAP ELECT 47UF 25V FM RADIAL    0 0.16000 $0.64
6 4 604-1055-ND CAP 100UF 25V ELECT AUDIO RAD    0 0.48000 $1.92

Let me know if u are interested. Total less than 20 usd.

If u want to know what is the mod, refer (phase 1, 2 )

http://www.head-fi.org/forums/f6/frankenze...85/#post4843415
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wut cap is this .... try to find those are low ESR
rioven
abel..u can refer from digi-key.com..ignore the first 2 number..example : 493-1845-ND..refers to nichicon upw (from digi-key)..the parts looks good..
ccschua
shipping is very expensive. also i cant create account. looks like it does not serve outside usa.
abel
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 25 2008, 03:45 PM)
shipping is very expensive. also i cant create account. looks like it does not serve outside usa.
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why go for digikey they if those Elna only i get from oversea
u can try or this got Elna , Rubycon , Nichicon Muse etc.. but not all value available
http://hk.geocities.com/wkchenghk2000/orderformEng.htm

try farnell for more choice u just can try Panasonic FC . Rubycon ZL/ZA/ZLH this are low ESR good for PSU section

Example try to look for the impedance
* CAPACITOR, 4700UF, 10V
* Application:High Temperature
* Capacitance:4700µF
* Tolerance, capacitance:±20%
* Series:ZL
* Voltage, rating:10V dc
* Capacitor dielectric type:Aluminium Electrolytic
* Case style:Radial
* Pitch, lead:5mm
* Temperature, operating range:-40°C to +105°C
* Current, leakage:470µA
* Current, ripple AC:3400mA
* Diameter, body:12.5mm
* Diameter, lead:0.8mm
* Frequency, impedance:100kHz
* Frequency, ripple current:100kHz
* Impedance:0.015ohm <-- lower is better
* Length / Height, external:35mm
* Temp, op. max:105°C
* Temp, op. min:-40°C
* Temperature, impedance:20°C
* Temperature, ripple current:105°C
* Terminal type:Wire Ended
* Time, operating life:5000h
* Tolerance, +:20%
* Tolerance, -:20%
* Voltage rating, DC:10V

Panasonic FC and Elna RJH
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Rubycon ZL
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GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(Oxburg @ Oct 25 2008, 12:25 AM)
any update?
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It's already left China and on the way back to Malaysia smile.gif


QUOTE(abel @ Oct 25 2008, 03:03 AM)
i think wanna get 4 SUN , EARTH trying now , Moon not suite my player
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Ok, just confirm with me the final order, then I will help u to nego biggrin.gif
abel
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Oct 25 2008, 09:56 PM)
It's already left China and on the way back to Malaysia smile.gif
Ok, just confirm with me the final order, then I will help u to nego biggrin.gif
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i need ask kingwa about modification first ... tongue.gif thanks my fren want it and me also
empire23
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 25 2008, 03:45 PM)
shipping is very expensive. also i cant create account. looks like it does not serve outside usa.
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Should be around 30 to 60 USD for shipping.

Anyways you should be able to create an account, because i registered with Digikey before and it seemed fine. If you still can't, contact their live help, they're pretty helpful.
ccschua
The items are very cheap,. but the shipping kills the order. i wonder if their accept register mail.

Looks like I have to look to Taiwan for the items.
sukhoi37
just got my zero DAC+ from Jaben.
it comes with OP627AU and NE5532P.
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it's significantly better than Ibasso D2 Boa. nod.gif

the stock optical cable looks flimsy, the connecting points are very loose.
no problem transmitting the data though.

already burned in for 50 hours.
wondering how long more to go to get it done? hmm.gif
ccschua
For those who want the phase 1,2,3 mode of the ZERO dac, pls place order fast.

rgds.
GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(sukhoi37 @ Oct 26 2008, 10:30 AM)
just got my zero DAC+ from Jaben.
it comes with OP627AU and NE5532P.
user posted image

it's significantly better than Ibasso D2 Boa. nod.gif

the stock optical cable looks flimsy, the connecting points are very loose.
no problem transmitting the data though.

already burned in for 50 hours.
wondering how long more to go to get it done? hmm.gif
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Wow, significant better than Ibasso D2 Boa ... in terms of what? transparency, details, vocal, care to elaborate more ? Bro, I suggest you to go for the audio_gd's discrete opamp, I love the EARTH well, slightly laidback yet detail ...
sukhoi37
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Oct 26 2008, 05:46 PM)
Wow, significant better than Ibasso D2 Boa ... in terms of what? transparency, details, vocal, care to elaborate more ? Bro, I suggest you to go for the audio_gd's discrete opamp, I love the EARTH well, slightly laidback yet detail ...
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the zero dac brings out more details and a bit wider soundstage.
not gonna mod anything soon, wanna enjoy current setup. smile.gif
InF.anime
50 hours already better than Boa, then 100 hours you can forget the Boa alrdy. biggrin.gif
BTW, in Head-Fi and LYN, many people use it for Headphone rather than Loudspeakers?

@sukhoi37, can P.M me how much Jaben selling it? thanks!
ccschua
Looks like ZERO with the OPA and DC offset removed has some good results.

a good approach is no coupling cap at the signal path. the diy has been saying countless of times.

In short, due to AD1852 design, a small DC offset is always present. I am not sure if this is found in the headphone amp or not, but on my external amp, u will hear cracking sound if turn the volume. too much DC is no good for speaker either.
RAV4
Chua, I'm interested but the shipping is really murder! Could farnell be a better place to order from as Abel suggested? Will you also be getting the 4x Sanyo OS-CON + 4x PIO bypass as stated under "Worthwhile cost effective subs - the 4 x 100uf 25V caps around the dac chip"?
LittleGhost
Local Farnell-Newark is a good place to buy stuffs from.

Get a student discount and you'll understand what i mean by that lol.

Best if possible avoid US purchase ATM, I don't know about you guys, but it's killing me because of it's exchange rate. There are better places to buy stuffs from. Farnell-Newark is good for PSU caps, look at the price of the Panasonic FMs, with free shipping you're good to go.

ccschua
this is what i will be getting. no time to translate. let me know fast.

3300U/63V NOVER :20元/只
1500U/35V NOVER :18元/只
220U/80V NOVER :10元/只
100U/63V NOVER :5元/只
10U/35V Silmic :3元/只

4A MOTO:3.5元/只
75 Ohm resistor :0.5元/只
silver mica 220pF :1元/只

JZ-1 clock :150元/unit

2008版摩机并联稳压电源板:180元/unit
GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 26 2008, 11:43 PM)
this is what i will be getting. no time to translate. let me know fast.

3300U/63V NOVER :20元/只
1500U/35V NOVER :18元/只
220U/80V NOVER  :10元/只
100U/63V NOVER  :5元/只
10U/35V Silmic  :3元/只

4A MOTO:3.5元/只
75 Ohm resistor :0.5元/只
silver mica 220pF :1元/只

JZ-1 clock :150元/unit

2008版摩机并联稳压电源板:180元/unit
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Ok ... will ask Abel for his final purchase list ... anyone else wanna order discrete opamp or any thing from Audio gd, please drop me a PM, thanks
abel
and dont for get put some silver wire get the 0.3mm for the rca OUT sound will improve


Added on October 27, 2008, 10:03 am
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Oct 26 2008, 11:01 PM)
Chua, I'm interested but the shipping is really murder! Could farnell be a better place to order from as Abel suggested? Will you also be getting the 4x Sanyo OS-CON + 4x PIO bypass as stated under "Worthwhile cost effective subs - the 4 x 100uf 25V caps around the dac chip"?
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yeah OS-CON very good for DAC farnell got alot heheh but oscon dont have high value i think just until 470uf

http://my.farnell.com/jsp/search/browse.js...equestid=396852


Added on October 27, 2008, 10:15 am
QUOTE(LittleGhost @ Oct 26 2008, 11:18 PM)
Local Farnell-Newark is a good place to buy stuffs from.

Get a student discount and you'll understand what i mean by that lol.

Best if possible avoid US purchase ATM, I don't know about you guys, but it's killing me because of it's exchange rate. There are better places to buy stuffs from. Farnell-Newark is good for PSU caps, look at the price of the Panasonic FMs, with free shipping you're good to go.
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yeah .. now new Panasonic FM i see the spec is not bad the ESR is lower and size are smaller even price is cheaper than FC ??? but dunno about quality but i prefer Panasonic FC
LittleGhost
QUOTE(abel @ Oct 27 2008, 09:59 AM)

yeah .. now new Panasonic FM i see the spec is not bad the ESR is lower and size are smaller even price is cheaper than FC ??? but dunno about quality but i prefer Panasonic FC
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Erm woot?

Panasonic FM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Panasonic FC.

Price is cheaper probably due to the demands and different sources.
ccschua
what a dilemma! it is either the voltage not have or the capacitance not have. Can I use 16V for 25V ?

Also the Nover capacitance as given above, how is the sound quality ? Anyone with experience on Nover.

should I choose FM Series. Anyone else interested to mod.

I am now split between Panasonic and ELNA SILMIC II. wat is your opinion.


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another question appear.

ultra fast diodes. any advantage compared to fast recovery ? price is easily double.

rgds.
RAV4
I've never done mods before so can only depend on those with the experience for suggestions so I'll just wait for Chua to confirm what to get.

Chua, if the total cost is not too much, I'll most probably get 2 set of caps coz I've ordered another Zero from Steve for office use. Can't listen to standard audio output after using Zero on my laptop. :-)
ccschua
Here is the comparisons chart of ELNA. ELNA SILMIC II is the king, but it may be bias..

http://tech.juaneda.com/en/articles/electr...capacitors.html

Hi Rave, I guess it is not expensive. Should be less than RM 80. I am still waiting to confirm ELNA.
GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 27 2008, 06:32 PM)
what a dilemma! it is either the voltage not have or the capacitance not have.  Can I use 16V for 25V ?

Also the Nover capacitance as given above, how is the sound quality ? Anyone with experience on Nover.

should I choose FM Series. Anyone else interested to mod.

I am now split between Panasonic and ELNA SILMIC II. wat is your opinion.
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another question appear.

ultra fast diodes. any advantage compared to fast recovery ? price is easily double.

rgds.
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Those Nover are specially made for audio gd request by audio gd, with very little coloration to the sound ... should be quite good, since kingwa only used them in all range of products smile.gif
sep90
anyone selling opamp 627 with brown dog adapter 2nd hand here?
interested in getting opa sun and earth too
sorry i hijack this topic for awhile lol biggrin.gif
i staying in pj ss2 if possible can cod there?
thanks
scy320
QUOTE(sep90 @ Oct 29 2008, 12:10 AM)
anyone selling opamp 627 with brown dog adapter 2nd hand here?
interested in getting opa sun and earth too
sorry i hijack this topic for awhile lol  biggrin.gif
i staying in pj ss2 if possible can cod there?
thanks
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bro,buying opamp for opamp rolling alreadh ah even ur Zero not yet reach.
GodLuvSxS
QUOTE(sep90 @ Oct 29 2008, 12:10 AM)
anyone selling opamp 627 with brown dog adapter 2nd hand here?
interested in getting opa sun and earth too
sorry i hijack this topic for awhile lol  biggrin.gif
i staying in pj ss2 if possible can cod there?
thanks
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Emmm .... i think i could only do postage ... and will try to submit discrete opamp and component order within these few days before the Oct present offer expire ... and expect around 5 days for the stuff arrive smile.gif Let me know your decision asap, thanks biggrin.gif
sep90
QUOTE(scy320 @ Oct 29 2008, 12:20 AM)
bro,buying opamp for opamp rolling alreadh ah even ur Zero not yet reach.
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wat is not within reach? sweat.gif
lol i got the zero dac aleadi bro or how i got to poisoned sukhoi in getting 1 in Jaben lor
i using the stock opamp and not entirely impressed with it
pairring with my mhm and still found something is amiss hmm.gif
couldnt be my ic after they r mit cables btw and i using hd650 and dt880 600 ohm


Added on October 29, 2008, 12:30 am
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Oct 29 2008, 12:22 AM)
Emmm .... i think i could only do postage ... and will try to submit discrete opamp and component order within these few days before the Oct present offer expire ... and expect around 5 days for the stuff arrive smile.gif Let me know your decision asap, thanks  biggrin.gif
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hmm how much for opamp 627 and sun + earth amp with extension wires?
scy320
QUOTE(sep90 @ Oct 29 2008, 12:27 AM)
wat is not within reach?  sweat.gif
lol i got the zero dac aleadi bro or how i got to poisoned sukhoi in getting 1 in Jaben lor
i using the stock opamp and not entirely impressed with it
pairring with my mhm and still found something is amiss  hmm.gif
couldnt be my ic after they r mit cables btw and i using hd650 and dt880 600 ohm


Added on October 29, 2008, 12:30 am

hmm how much for opamp 627 and sun + earth amp with extension wires?
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wah,so fast got from Jaben already,lolz.
sep90
QUOTE(scy320 @ Oct 29 2008, 01:25 AM)
wah,so fast got from Jaben already,lolz.
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lol i got a long time ago bro b4 sukhoi
i was the 1st batch who got it b4 the upgrade opamp version basically
then i poisoned sukhoi bout 3 months back and he waited patiently for it almost 1 and half months bro....
i got at same time with my millet hybrid max
btw i almost forgot r u interested in trying my hd650 recabled? cos akabane also wan to take the leap as well....lol
scy320
QUOTE(sep90 @ Oct 29 2008, 01:56 AM)
lol i got a long time ago bro b4 sukhoi
i was the 1st batch who got it b4 the upgrade opamp version basically
then i poisoned sukhoi bout 3 months back and he waited patiently for it almost 1 and half months bro....
i got at same time with my millet hybrid max
btw i almost forgot r u interested in trying my hd650 recabled? cos akabane also wan to take the leap as well....lol
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i dont think im free on 2nd November,so maybe he can have a try 1st,lolz.
sep90
QUOTE(scy320 @ Oct 29 2008, 02:02 AM)
i dont think im free on 2nd November,so maybe he can have a try 1st,lolz.
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lol dun worry i will be there for at least 2 week man
jus pm me if u r interested thumbup.gif
a whole new level of pure poison await u .........
scy320
QUOTE(sep90 @ Oct 29 2008, 02:17 AM)
lol dun worry i will be there for at least 2 week man
jus pm me if u r interested  thumbup.gif
a whole new level of pure poison await u .........
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haha,after u poison sukhoi now u target me d,lolz. brows.gif
abel
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 27 2008, 06:32 PM)
what a dilemma! it is either the voltage not have or the capacitance not have.  Can I use 16V for 25V ?

Also the Nover capacitance as given above, how is the sound quality ? Anyone with experience on Nover.

should I choose FM Series. Anyone else interested to mod.

I am now split between Panasonic and ELNA SILMIC II. wat is your opinion.
-----

another question appear.

ultra fast diodes. any advantage compared to fast recovery ? price is easily double.

rgds.
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for better voltage ... its already say Ultra Fast just check the model of the diode example UF4001 - the front written UF means Ultra Fast

ok for me Panasonic i normally put on the PSU section due the value is high and Elna Silmic hard to get on big value n the price ..... tongue.gif Elna Silmic or Silmic II i put on analog section like opamp coupling and clock , DAC try to couple with OS-CON ,
empire23
For diodes, i say, just bypass them ceramic capacitors to reduce diode noise and ringing. Better than spending on expensive shit like MUR820s.

Best would be to get 820s WITH sweet ceramics tongue.gif
abel
QUOTE(empire23 @ Oct 29 2008, 11:54 AM)
For diodes, i say, just bypass them ceramic capacitors to reduce diode noise and ringing. Better than spending on expensive shit like MUR820s.

Best would be to get 820s WITH sweet ceramics tongue.gif
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yeah i saw some ppl bypass with ceramic cap.
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empire23
^ cap leads too long lol.
ccschua
What value of the cap, 22 pF ?
empire23
QUOTE(ccschua @ Oct 29 2008, 06:41 PM)
What value of the cap, 22 pF ?
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Ceramics usually have higher capacitance density than other caps like Micas, Polyprolyne and such, meaning that 22pF is an unlikely. Under the assumption that it's rated to 50V, i'd probably say it's 0.1 uF/100nF. Caps would be Kemet GoldMAX i figure from the shape.

Just got my first batch of stuff from my place in Malaysia. Another 10 boxes to go.


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