InF.anime
Sep 24 2008, 05:47 PM
China not only milk got poison, this Zero Dac quite poison too.
abel
Sep 24 2008, 06:58 PM
i got lubang to get Van Den Hul Royal Jade in quite good price ... RM 100 per meter u can check at outside the price i think is RM 130 per meter hurry while stock last hheheh
this cable give u a Plenty of detail and excitement. Soundstage is nice and deep and treble is never harsh or rough. A great upgrade for the budget restricted.
eddylws
Sep 25 2008, 12:02 AM
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Sep 22 2008, 11:24 AM)
Chua, thanks! Yes, the Neutrik RCA socket at farnell is really cheap at RM6.50 each. I wonder what's available at Octave so I don't have to wait for shipping. I was told they moved to a bungalow house near Amcorp Mall, is that correct?
GL, yes, I agree Silver would place a bit more emphasis on treble. I prefer to have something more neutral like copper. The Neotech cable looks good actually! Take Five Audio also have Cardas Female RCA connectors for CAN$10.95 per pair. Vampire Cryo treated RCA is CAN$16.95. Quite a bit more than Neutrik but I wonder if it's worth it since gonna DIY once and then use for years... Or maybe can check if can bulk from Audio-GD if they're cheaper?
Abel, how does it sound now after burn in? I'm actually arranging to buy the IeGO cable coz they're Cryo treated and have very good review comparable with US$300 cable. But I still need 1 cable for my conditioner... unless I change my wall plate to US-type also...
Hi RAV4,
Octave have Switchcraft RCA which is very good for CD, AMP or DAC, if is not misstaken is RM35 - RM40 per pic, Is you looking for better one you ask the Boss (Mr.Yap) to order the ETI RCA for you the RCA cause RM180 per pair.
Switchcraft RCA is much Natural & warm.
ETI RCA is more to Clearn, Dynamic, and fast signal pass to.
It is depend what is lack out from your system, that is nothing is better and better, event you can use back your original RCA and change the signal cable to sliver or pure copper cable. that will give you alot improvement already.
Thanks
Eddy Lim
GodLuvSxS
Sep 25 2008, 12:15 AM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 25 2008, 12:02 AM)
Hi RAV4,
Octave have Switchcraft RCA which is very good for CD, AMP or DAC, if is not misstaken is RM35 - RM40 per pic, Is you looking for better one you ask the Boss (Mr.Yap) to order the ETI RCA for you the RCA cause RM180 per pair.
Switchcraft RCA is much Natural & warm.
ETI RCA is more to Clearn, Dynamic, and fast signal pass to.
It is depend what is lack out from your system, that is nothing is better and better, event you can use back your original RCA and change the signal cable to sliver or pure copper cable. that will give you alot improvement already.
Thanks
Eddy Lim
Which Switchcraft RCA model are u refering to? Seems abit too overprice ... with than kind of money, can try the revolutionary Eichmann Bullet Plugs, i think Octave does carry these too, last time they quote me RM32 each ... after some extensive review by user around the globe, they really do HEAR some improvement over conventional rca plug ...
Eddy, if possible please do try this, worth a gamble!
Sylvester.ee
Sep 25 2008, 12:33 AM
QUOTE(InF.anime @ Sep 24 2008, 05:47 PM)
China not only milk got poison, this Zero Dac quite poison too.

haha,then banned this Zero from China,lolz.
eddylws
Sep 25 2008, 02:10 PM
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Sep 25 2008, 12:15 AM)
Which Switchcraft RCA model are u refering to? Seems abit too overprice ... with than kind of money, can try the revolutionary Eichmann Bullet Plugs, i think Octave does carry these too, last time they quote me RM32 each ... after some extensive review by user around the globe, they really do HEAR some improvement over conventional rca plug ...
Eddy, if possible please do try this, worth a gamble!

HI GodLuvSxS,
Echimen is ETI, i think you mention the one cost RM32 is switchcraft RCA (octave only have one Model) and normally we call Short head.
No more try cause i have been tried too many, i got furutech, WBT, AudioNote, Cardas, switchcraft & ETI.

For me i still prefer Point to Point, no RCA socket no RCA plug is the best.

Eddy Lim
scy320
Sep 25 2008, 04:45 PM
QUOTE(Sylvester.ee @ Sep 25 2008, 12:33 AM)
haha,then banned this Zero from China,lolz.

too late,too many Zero kaki kena poison already,lolz.
ccschua
Sep 25 2008, 11:09 PM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 25 2008, 02:10 PM)
HI GodLuvSxS,
Echimen is ETI, i think you mention the one cost RM32 is switchcraft RCA (octave only have one Model) and normally we call Short head.
No more try cause i have been tried too many, i got furutech, WBT, AudioNote, Cardas, switchcraft & ETI.

For me i still prefer Point to Point, no RCA socket no RCA plug is the best.

Eddy Lim
Haha,
Looks like the Sifu has spoken. Dont play play with eddylws. he is the Blackgate blackbelt and master of all TDA 154X cdp.
Frankly the RCA given by Audio-gd is top class. Just a simple upgrade on RCA and pure 99.99 % silver cable is enuf to I am surprised by the sound. It gives me the soundstage that I like and more transparent.
I like the look of switchcraft, but I am kind of reserve on its build quality. It doesnt look solid to me. Though neutrik look solid, but I am not sure if the sound will impress.
eddylws
Sep 26 2008, 11:22 AM
Hi Chua,
Friend dun put me on top of the “GOD Table” I am not an expert or Master in TDA5141, I Just like the character of BlackGate Cap & TDA1541.
From my experience those transparency & soundstage is given by the pure silver cable, but would you feel that after installed the sliver cable you can hear a lot of ssss from female vocal.
FYI, the Sliver cable need 500 hours for run in, then only it will get more neutral.
If you want to try copper I have some 0.26mm/0.1mm Oyaide 4N pure copper, I believe the one that you bought from octave is 0.3mm sliver cable.
Dun depend on the outlook to judge the thing whether good or not, you must try it and feel it. Hehe..
abel
Sep 27 2008, 04:18 AM
ermm i audit chua DAC is really give alot different the silver wire i wanna go octave to get some for my CDP.
hi eddy now black gate really out of stock due stop production ..... i not yet try on BG due costly i just use Elna Silmic or Silmic II
now i also plan to change opamp for my CDP dunno which one to use wana try for AD8066
eddylws
Sep 27 2008, 09:06 AM
QUOTE(abel @ Sep 27 2008, 04:18 AM)
ermm i audit chua DAC is really give alot different the silver wire i wanna go octave to get some for my CDP.
hi eddy now black gate really out of stock due stop production ..... i not yet try on BG due costly i just use Elna Silmic or Silmic II
now i also plan to change opamp for my CDP dunno which one to use wana try for AD8066
Dun wasting time to try other OPAMP ask Chua to get the OPA Sun from Audio_gd and change the OPA powering caps to blackgate. It will give you a big impression on that.
Blackgate are expensive but the improvement is unbelievable.
abel
Sep 27 2008, 09:49 AM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 27 2008, 09:06 AM)
Dun wasting time to try other OPAMP ask Chua to get the OPA Sun from Audio_gd and change the OPA powering caps to blackgate. It will give you a big impression on that.
Blackgate are expensive but the improvement is unbelievable.
ok thanks eddy but i cant use OPA sun due the original opamp is surface mount type and is located bottom of the PCB board.
eddylws
Sep 27 2008, 12:26 PM
QUOTE(abel @ Sep 27 2008, 09:49 AM)
ok thanks eddy but i cant use OPA sun due the original opamp is surface mount type and is located bottom of the PCB board.
Able to take photo of your CDP? i would like to see how they solder the OPA on your CDP.
ccschua
Sep 27 2008, 01:58 PM
At this moment, I just sit back and relax on the tweak to the ZERO. Never underestimate this little DAC can offer in sound quality.
eddylws
Sep 27 2008, 03:11 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 27 2008, 01:58 PM)
At this moment, I just sit back and relax on the tweak to the ZERO. Never underestimate this little DAC can offer in sound quality.
Your DAC still got far far away to go......
ccschua
Sep 27 2008, 03:41 PM
Bro,
For RM 500, no unit can beat this.
eddylws
Sep 27 2008, 04:02 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 27 2008, 03:41 PM)
Bro,
For RM 500, no unit can beat this.
Are you sure?
ccschua
Sep 27 2008, 04:24 PM
We are talking about ZERO and the costs performance ratio it can provide. We are happy about it and it is not our interests to show other unit more superior.
Hi Madmen,
Can I borrow your ZERO for a test. It seems your mod is very interesting, and I would like to compare it with the OPA Earth on it.
abel
Sep 28 2008, 01:43 AM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 27 2008, 12:26 PM)
Able to take photo of your CDP? i would like to see how they solder the OPA on your CDP.
My CDP is Marantz CD-5001 low end model
the marking is opamp original opamp NJM2068D
mADmAN
Sep 28 2008, 01:49 AM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 27 2008, 04:24 PM)
We are talking about ZERO and the costs performance ratio it can provide. We are happy about it and it is not our interests to show other unit more superior.
Hi Madmen,
Can I borrow your ZERO for a test. It seems your mod is very interesting, and I would like to compare it with the OPA Earth on it.
we can meetup if u want....right now my colleague using it....im back on my Fubar II now
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 03:01 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 27 2008, 04:24 PM)
We are talking about ZERO and the costs performance ratio it can provide. We are happy about it and it is not our interests to show other unit more superior.
Friend, nothing is the best, and if i not misstaken you was planing to change your DAC before.
Just wan to share with you that in the market still have a lot low price DAC and sounded very good DAC.
Normally how we improve our DAC is listen to other DAC then inprove from your DAC.
If you think that is the best then that is the best loh..........
Added on September 29, 2008, 3:04 pmQUOTE(abel @ Sep 28 2008, 01:43 AM)
My CDP is Marantz CD-5001 low end model
the marking is opamp original opamp NJM2068D

Woh... the chip is solder under the borad... that will be abit hard cause need to take out the chip and drill 8 hole on the board and solder the cable on top of it....
i need to have a look on the board then only know whether can put in the OP-AMP or not.
kwekeugene
Sep 29 2008, 03:53 PM
eddylws,
What other DAC that you are talking about?
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 04:17 PM
HI kwekeugene
this are few DAC from this DIY Online shop
http://shop.hifidiy.net/product/227.htmhttp://shop.hifidiy.net/product/120.htmhttp://shop.hifidiy.net/product/50.htm (i bough the TDA 5141 OPA out put is RM380 & TDA541 tube is RM 420)
http://www.lite8.com/http://www.pacificvalve.us/LITEDAC50.html ( i bought this with RM470, I think no more production)
This all are very good design.
Eddy
abel
Sep 29 2008, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 29 2008, 03:01 PM)
Friend, nothing is the best, and if i not misstaken you was planing to change your DAC before.
Just wan to share with you that in the market still have a lot low price DAC and sounded very good DAC.
Normally how we improve our DAC is listen to other DAC then inprove from your DAC.
If you think that is the best then that is the best loh..........
Added on September 29, 2008, 3:04 pmWoh... the chip is solder under the borad... that will be abit hard cause need to take out the chip and drill 8 hole on the board and solder the cable on top of it....
i need to have a look on the board then only know whether can put in the OP-AMP or not.
thats the problem
i scared is multi layer board
kwekeugene
Sep 29 2008, 05:10 PM
Thanks for the prompt reply. How does the Zero compared to the rest of them?
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 06:14 PM
QUOTE(kwekeugene @ Sep 29 2008, 05:10 PM)
Thanks for the prompt reply. How does the Zero compared to the rest of them?
I am not sure cause i have no change to try on teh ZERO DAC, but i believe the ZERO DAC still can improve a lot by changing the some of the caps.
one thing i dun like about the ZERO DAC is because of the ZERO DAC it using a single unit OPA output. If it can make it 2 OPA output that is much better. This is all my opinion.
Eddy Lim
Added on September 29, 2008, 6:18 pmQUOTE(abel @ Sep 29 2008, 04:44 PM)
thats the problem
i scared is multi layer board
can you take back and front of the PCB.
ccschua
Sep 29 2008, 08:00 PM
Try TDA 1543 or TDA 1541. They are cheap. DAC1 now on sale for RM 100. Who want.
ZERO also dont have IV stage. but for the price of it, plus headphone and optical/coaxial and the implementation, it is best bang for bucks.
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 08:02 PM
ccschua
Sep 29 2008, 08:13 PM
I mean this one RM 100.
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 08:16 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 29 2008, 08:13 PM)
KingWa do send me the Schemastic of this DAC, it is a very good design.
Eddy
RAV4
Sep 29 2008, 09:35 PM
QUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 25 2008, 12:02 AM)
Hi RAV4,
Octave have Switchcraft RCA which is very good for CD, AMP or DAC, if is not misstaken is RM35 - RM40 per pic, Is you looking for better one you ask the Boss (Mr.Yap) to order the ETI RCA for you the RCA cause RM180 per pair.
Switchcraft RCA is much Natural & warm.
ETI RCA is more to Clearn, Dynamic, and fast signal pass to.
It is depend what is lack out from your system, that is nothing is better and better, event you can use back your original RCA and change the signal cable to sliver or pure copper cable. that will give you alot improvement already.
Thanks
Eddy Lim
Thanks for the tips Eddy, and welcome to this thread! Switchcraft sounds like just what I need. It's always nice to have experienced Sifu drop in on us with guidance.
ccschua
Sep 29 2008, 10:04 PM
When sifu come in, it always results in mod. when u mod, your wife will mod you.
RAV4
Sep 29 2008, 10:05 PM
QUOTE(abel @ Sep 24 2008, 06:58 PM)
i got lubang to get Van Den Hul Royal Jade in quite good price ... RM 100 per meter u can check at outside the price i think is RM 130 per meter hurry while stock last hheheh
this cable give u a Plenty of detail and excitement. Soundstage is nice and deep and treble is never harsh or rough. A great upgrade for the budget restricted.
I've checked online, got a pretty good review but comparatively the CS-122 is overall a more balanced cable. Family resemblance is there... no point for me to change my CS-122 then.

Added on September 29, 2008, 10:12 pmGL, since Chua's upgrade using Audio-GD's RCA is so positive and you are ordering so many Moons, why don't you check with Kingwa on the cost of the RCA and we just get it from him as well? Then we can try Eddy's Oyaide 4N copper!
eddylws
Sep 29 2008, 10:24 PM
When sifu come in, it always results in mod. when u mod, your wife will mod you.
after your wife mod you, you very song song
HIFI Song Song FIHI also song song

this is what a dream for HIFI KaKi
RAV4
Sep 29 2008, 11:38 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 29 2008, 08:13 PM)
SERIOUS??? I don't mind buying 1 just to compare if RM100!
Added on September 29, 2008, 11:49 pmQUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 29 2008, 04:17 PM)
HI kwekeugene
this are few DAC from this DIY Online shop
http://shop.hifidiy.net/product/227.htmhttp://shop.hifidiy.net/product/120.htmhttp://shop.hifidiy.net/product/50.htm (i bough the TDA 5141 OPA out put is RM380 & TDA541 tube is RM 420)
http://www.lite8.com/http://www.pacificvalve.us/LITEDAC50.html ( i bought this with RM470, I think no more production)
This all are very good design.
Eddy
Wow... the board designs are beautiful! The board on second link even has the clock crystal and DAC chip isolated from vibration.
Eddy, I didn't know there are other better DACs out there at this price point. So far those I've come across are all higher cost than Zero by almost double. But these are in KIT form that's why they're cheap rite? Wish I can read Mandarin tho... thanks for sharing!
ccschua
Sep 30 2008, 12:02 AM
Looks like audio-gd is having a problem.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1614864BTW, RAV are u not going to mod the ZERO with the RCA .
GodLuvSxS
Sep 30 2008, 03:52 AM
The audio gd's rca female seems to be quite solid, quite be quite bang for the bucks, i will try asking the price. I may go and order the OCC copper cable, anyone want to join? together share share the shipping, shipping from canada to malaysia is abit too expensive

The hifidiy mini USB dac is kinda attractive, might consider bring in one unit to review it's market potential
ccschua
Sep 30 2008, 07:48 PM
So for those guys who order, look for to some freebies - the RCA plug CMC which i m using now and also Silver cable. Oh my god. time to diy.
http://www.audio-gd.com/enweb/pro/diy/OPA.htm
RAV4
Sep 30 2008, 09:09 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 30 2008, 12:02 AM)
Looks like audio-gd is having a problem.
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread.php?postid=1614864BTW, RAV are u not going to mod the ZERO with the RCA .
yes, still looking at what RCA to get. Since yours is so positive, I hope GodLuv can arrange to get them from Audio-gd as well.
GodLuvSxS
Sep 30 2008, 09:18 PM
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Sep 30 2008, 09:09 PM)
yes, still looking at what RCA to get. Since yours is so positive, I hope GodLuv can arrange to get them from Audio-gd as well.
I will try to "persuade" audio gd to send some as free gift LOL If not, I will consider paying for it since it's manufacture by CMC, quality is there

Wanna try OCC copper instead of Silver though, my current setup does sound abit bright to me

Dun wanna add anymore brightness to it
RAV4
Sep 30 2008, 09:40 PM
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Sep 30 2008, 09:18 PM)
I will try to "persuade" audio gd to send some as free gift LOL If not, I will consider paying for it since it's manufacture by CMC, quality is there

Wanna try OCC copper instead of Silver though, my current setup does sound abit bright to me

Dun wanna add anymore brightness to it

GL, looks like it's posted on it's website that it will be freebee... yes, hope we will get it also! Thanks Chua for the info.
Eddy mentioned that he has some Oyaide 4N Copper. Those are really high grade cables. Maybe worth while to get those and save on shipping? I'm also more interested in copper.
ccschua
Sep 30 2008, 09:41 PM
QUOTE(alamakazam @ Sep 24 2008, 05:06 PM)
thanks man, china very scary
Hi Alamak,
arent u collecting all the OPA sales from Singapore ?
how's it going ? I am the kakidac in VR-zone.
eddylws
Sep 30 2008, 09:45 PM
Hi Guys,
How many of you wanna try the 4n copper cable, but some one need to come to Old Klang to get it from meor if any one want to isntall i can help.
thanks
eddy lim
RAV4
Sep 30 2008, 09:57 PM
Hi Eddy, you're at Old Klang Road? Not a problem for me to go over. GodLuv is in Ipoh though...
BTW, 0.1mm is really thin. Is that sufficient to carry the signal? You obviously have tried it so what's your opinion on it? Also, how much will it cost for enough to link the 2 RCA? Thanks!
eddylws
Sep 30 2008, 10:05 PM
Hi RAV4
Yes, Old Klang road (Sri sentosa)

0.1 is not suitable to internal wiring, but if you want to try the different betwwen the 0.1 & 0.3 i have some used one.
i dun know how much cost for it, free to charge lah.. cause the thing not cost a lot and i guess 10cm is more then enought for you.
Eddy Lim
RAV4
Sep 30 2008, 10:34 PM
QUOTE(GodLuvSxS @ Sep 30 2008, 03:52 AM)
The audio gd's rca female seems to be quite solid, quite be quite bang for the bucks, i will try asking the price. I may go and order the OCC copper cable, anyone want to join? together share share the shipping, shipping from canada to malaysia is abit too expensive

The hifidiy mini USB dac is kinda attractive, might consider bring in one unit to review it's market potential

I don't mind sharing to get some since it's not expensive. GL, have you checked this out? A bit more expensive than the Take 5 one but I think cryo treated copper can make a difference.
http://www.cryo-parts.com/cryopartscu.html
Added on September 30, 2008, 10:37 pmQUOTE(eddylws @ Sep 30 2008, 10:05 PM)
Hi RAV4
Yes, Old Klang road (Sri sentosa)

0.1 is not suitable to internal wiring, but if you want to try the different betwwen the 0.1 & 0.3 i have some used one.
i dun know how much cost for it, free to charge lah.. cause the thing not cost a lot and i guess 10cm is more then enought for you.
Eddy Lim
That's very, very kind of you Eddy! Thank you very much before hand.
Now, to do such experiments, I wish I have another Zero like Chua... haha.
ccschua
Sep 30 2008, 10:42 PM
No worry. It is totally safe. the surgeon is a specialist from the shool of HIFI.
eddylws
Sep 30 2008, 10:52 PM
QUOTE(ccschua @ Sep 30 2008, 10:42 PM)
No worry. It is totally safe. the surgeon is a specialist from the shool of HIFI.
Haha... Thanks chua i believe you from the HIFI specialist shool also.
Look like the patient is scare to do operation.
RAV4
Sep 30 2008, 11:07 PM
Oh, I'm not scared of the soldering. That's a simple enuf job. But to try and listen, then remove n resolder to compare .1 and .3 is quite cumbersome so having 2 units is useful for comparison. I believe that's also why Chua bought 2? ;-)
Added on September 30, 2008, 11:17 pmEddy, you mentioned about Black Gate caps so I did a search and found that they're indeed very costly and also scarce. Some are like Euro 10 each! So where do you get your stock from? Actually just curious but I think modding BG for Zero is rather extreme? Might end up to cost as much as the unit itself...
GodLuvSxS
Sep 30 2008, 11:53 PM
QUOTE(RAV4 @ Sep 30 2008, 11:07 PM)
Oh, I'm not scared of the soldering. That's a simple enuf job. But to try and listen, then remove n resolder to compare .1 and .3 is quite cumbersome so having 2 units is useful for comparison. I believe that's also why Chua bought 2? ;-)
Added on September 30, 2008, 11:17 pmEddy, you mentioned about Black Gate caps so I did a search and found that they're indeed very costly and also scarce. Some are like Euro 10 each! So where do you get your stock from? Actually just curious but I think modding BG for Zero is rather extreme? Might end up to cost as much as the unit itself...
BG might be abit overkill for ZERO, best one would those Elna or Nichicon, quite bang for the bucks

If possible i think both the input and ouput rca female should be replace with better one, again garbage in garbage in, nice in nice out
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