Since the release of D300 and 40D, the price of older version, the D200 and 30D is dropping. Just wonder is it worth to trade in the Nikon D80 for either D200/30D.

its a upgrade to semi pro dslr

so..what is the category of D80? entry level dslr?

D80 is more like a prosumer DSLR. So someone hinting to sell his d80? Let me know then, coz i interested

i think D80 & 30D are at the same class: advance amateur. D200 is upper class. Upgrade to D200 is better but if wanna change system, dont

i know D200 to D300 is upgrade.......but D80 is it in the same series??

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Added on January 20, 2008, 9:56 ami know D200 to D300 is upgrade.......but D80 is it in the same series??

ofcoz not.. D200 n D300 r higher class

D200 to D300-If u already have D200, don't change to D300.
But if you have D80, change direct to D300... So that no regret later.

40D is cheaper than D200... So, 30D no need talk already.

transition from D200 to D300 is quite sigificant especially in terms of image quality .... since D40x,D80 and D200 is using the same image sensor like Sony a100 .... while D300 is using the same image sensor as Sony a700, which is more superior.

Thanks for all the information.


u mean me dont u ? unfortunately i am in japan, so no luck for u i guess


well D300 is still to expensive, 40D is still within the budget though.


nice information, in that case switching from D80 to D200 would be pointless as it just improve the features and not the image quality.

If you don't mind changing system, and want affordable upgrade, I think Canon 40D will do.

Or maybe Sony a700. faster focusing, great ISO performance, built-in IS which is really effective, DRO

No, Nikon D80 is an entry level DSLR just like 400D and Sony Alpha 100.

Canon 30D and D200 are intermediate level DSLR.

i don't seems to see the relationship

D40x , D80, D200 and sony A100 uses the same sensors as u mention, but i don't seems see them producing the same image quality at all

Do u think the a700 is more superior than the D200 because it has a better sensor?

maybe i have a different definition of superior. I believe in superior skill and superior picture but not superior megapixel or superior technology/tech spec written on the leaflet.

we are talking about camera here, not photography skill

old tech CCD... new tech CMOS... the trend is moving to CMOS.. where Canon has been all along. 40d cheapest camera so-far with live view... which I consider .... indispensable once u use it. especially in awkward positions

i think it pointless just to argue over some technical facts....

between D200 and D300....i'll vote D300...

but tech specs are just specs....

lens on the other hand play a role too.....
you can try a few potraits at 70mm....
one that can shoot at f2.8....
one that cant shoot 2.8....
one's a prime lens and the other is not....

all makes a difference....but at the end of the day....
if you see good pix posted by great photographers...
some r just using D70s, D50, D1, D2....and so on....
D80 is a great cam...and so is many others...

Canon 40D...i must say its impresive for its price....

at the end of the day.....its ur choice...suggest you go to the shop to hold the camera and test it...

i'm still on D70s and D200, may upgrade if one of the current one breaks...
other wise....i'm still pretty happy with them

sorry that my thread create such a war fight
never thought of comparing the the technology from 40D or D300, never ending war between canon and nikon fans and infact never asking about this two also

It is because the price for older model 30D (RM2400 for body) and D200 (RM3600 for body) is dropping a lot recently (below RM3000 for body), would it be a good time to upgrade from my D80. Not to 40D/D300, but 30D/D200

so peace and no fighting please all are good photographer here

D200 ok. But price same like 40D. So, but 40D better

If thread starter already possesses Nikon, might as well progress with a Nikon D200. Getting a Canon would be buying stuff and accessories all over again..... I think a D80 to a D200 is worth it....

Nowadays you can get Nikon-Canon lens converter. So you still can use your Nikon lens on Canon body

Ya... heard about NiKON Working on CaNON. Other way around works too?

soulfly : agreed it's the camera. But i just fail to see how a D300 can be related to A700 as well as the D40x, D80, D200 and A100. All the camera seems to have different result and picture quality.

BeastX : not even talking about CCD and CMOS. It's about the same sensor mouted on different bodies.

sooyewguan : just sharing some photography opinions, not war at all. You have a valid point to ask because the upgrade involve significant amount of money (at least wat i think). if budget allowed, the D300 upgrade is the best. If not consider canon 40D if u do not have much accessories, or D200 if u want to keep to nikon.

julchin_09 : ya agreed with u if sooyewguan has current accessories. If he only has kitlens and SD cards. Jumping system might be an option.

my apology if my post sounded harsh, but it's all about the truth and facts and my 2 cent opinion that i do not think the image quality of D40x = D80 = D200 = A100 and D300 = A700.

Ya lo... so simple thread become so "hot"...

Anyway, my personal opinion.

If don't bother about brand or what I have been using before this...
Then I will go for Canon 40D

If bother and still want Nikon...
I'll save another month or 2 to buy D300.

This is me. Why I am doing this? Coz I dowant to regret later on havin an older model and need to upgrade again in shorter time.

My personal opinion only.

well.... i never said the equality of the image quality of those camera with the same sensor, i just said that they use the same sensor. as in... if you change from D80 to D200, it's not a significant difference. probably u get extra functions and stuffs... but it's still the same 10.2MP sensor and difference in image quality ain't really far apart. If D80 to D300, the most obvious is of course the extra 2MP, but image improvement is quite significant between D80 and D300 compare to D80 and D200 .... talking about ISO quality here. I hope my explanation is not too confusing.

actually i only left with my D80 and 135mm kits lens so wasnt a big problem to move to canon. thanks timothyy, the 40D is interesting too as the price is around the 30D (RM3000 vs RM2400). I personally like macro a lot, so the live view really a big help.

thanks everyone for all the suggestion. still waiting someone to buy my D80 before can afford buying new system

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Added on January 21, 2008, 12:34 am
ya that was my biggest concern as seem no much different between D80 and D200, and even D200 release much earlier than D80. but i just dun understand why D200 cost more than D80, is it because of its magnesium vs plastic body?

when the d300 wasn't out yet, people agreed it was quite significant to jump to d200 wasn't it?

Then, moving to another brand should not be a problem.

But by the way, don't think a new 40D costs RM3k. Its around RM4k (may be slightly more depend where u get it).
List price is RM4899.

D200 also list price R4988. Ha! Ha!

But I think can get around RM4.4k or may be slightly less.

I sold my camera already. So, that's why now going to buy new one. Not yet buy la. No stock now.

how bout upgrade your lens

Well I think the price is cheaper in Japan here. The exact price (according to maybank )
D300 (Body) : RM5,502.40
D200 (Body) : RM3,933.46

40D (Body) : RM3,219.36
30D (Body) : RM2,483.68

1) Weather sealed
2) Magnesium alloy body
3) Better buttons layout.
4) Bigger buffer
5) Faster burst rate
6) Shorter shutter lag & viewfinder blackout time
7) More durable shutter unit
8) Shutter mechanism less vibration
9) More powerful AF motor
10) Max shutter 1/8000
11) 1005 pixel metering sensor

Wow. Such delicious prices. Stop poisoning us friend



Oh. I really didn't know that the D200 was weather sealed.

I'm not a NIKON user but thanks for the interesting comparison. Significant!

i say get another lens the d80 is a good enough camera.

Hi Vincent,

Perhaps I can give you a better understanding of why although those cameras use the same sensor, it still produces very various results.

The CCD or image sensor basically just converts light into electrical signals. These signals are then processed by the camera's DSP (or digital signal processor). Each company's DSP will be their own trademark and own style of manipulating these signals to suit their own. Heck, they can even use the same DSP but if they set the settings different, you will get different images (in terms of sharpness, colour and brightness, etc..etc..).

The D300 and A700 uses a CMOS (metal oxide) sensor, rather than the standard CCD sensors of D40x, D80, D200 and the A100. CMOS sensors are different from CCDs (Charge coupled device). The key difference is the material within these sensors which can relate to how the light is converted, from a photon (light particle) entering the sensor, being accelerated by an electric field in the semiconductor substrate, it the movement of the photon across the field generating a current which transform into your electrical signal which will then go to the DSP.

Each camera manufacturer will build the camera different, they can use the same component but if their layout is different (note that the D40x is smaller compared to the D200), hence every bit of space saving techniques can introduce a lousier image (you can generally see it under low light) as the engineers would probably remove more capacitors and resistors (Low Pass RC filters which are used to remove noise) and cram more components on the PCB (printed circuit board) where your signal lines are then interfered with more noise (the CCD output lines are the most sensitive).

So these are the so called "external" factors you can imagine. Its the same for a car, if proton puts a Honda City engine in its bay, both cars will bring you from A to B. But the journey bringing you there may be different in terms of ride comfort, speed, fuel economy and others.

Hope this explains it all.

In this case, I will 100% go 40D...

Too much diff to D300.
And D200 is not as good as 40D though... (Someone gonna come make noise already )

In Japan with the current price/currency 40d can be had for for RM3000++ or so, got mine for RM3060, (if in july/aug 07 currency.. 40d would cost RM 2900).

40d cheapest dslr camera with functional live view now... plenty of other advantage over d200.. include Image quality/iso/image processing/fps speed, buffer.

Best price for D300 that I have found was RM5700++.

edit ...ok... D300 has been dropping recently.. 181,000 yen now... so will be around RM 5500 as you stated

d80: entry level
d200: semi-pro
d2xs: pro

hmm... depend on wat u wan la...
if u wan nikon, then d200 lo...
wanna buy used one? pm me...
(i am retiring)

where where can buy

Retiring?How come another thread you say upgrade one?

i no upgrade la...

no upgrade, just change the whole system

anyone keen to upgrade to D200, do PM me.. im selling one on behalf of a friend! cheers!