violin_player84
Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?
beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it
still a student
need pro help .. thx
warbamboo
Jan 10 2008, 10:40 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?
beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it
still a student
need pro help .. thx
its a tough call bro, but of course you have to start somewhere..

so of course its possible, but in your case i wouldn't say play shares..looks to me more of a long term investment (since you're looking at 1-2 years).
if you ask me, i would suggest you to look at fundamental based stocks, of course that you'll have to spend some time researching and finding the right one that would suit you, and also something that you'll be comfortable in terms of your capital..
another thing, if you only have RM2000 in your bank account, you may not want to put all of it in the stock market, its better to keep a portfolio thats diversified.
im not a pro, so this is all the advice i can give you, bro..in anyway, its good to start of somewhere, we all did so hope your journey becomes a profitable one for you in the long run.
TopGunn
Jan 10 2008, 10:41 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?
beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it
still a student
need pro help .. thx
what is ur expected return from ur principle? 2k is very min to invest in share..brokarage min RM40. u see..
save more capital 1st..meanwhile learn/read 1.www.klse.com.my - rules & regulation.2. few Propectus.3.simple financial statement. u can do it...
aurora97
Jan 10 2008, 10:47 PM
Rm 2K is not enough, try and save more till u have about Rm 5K..
Rm 2K probably entitle you to acquire some penny stock or small cap stocks.... most likely you can only afford up to 1 lot.
Unless your planning to play T+3 to finance ur investment (very risky).
the mid range and blue chips u can forget about it.
1. u have to take into account losses
2. the price of share that u have acquire
Rm 1? or Rm 2?
3. can u tolerate losing up to 100% of your investment. If not than at least how many %?
4. Whats ur strategy, define it and stick to it.
violin_player84
Jan 10 2008, 11:00 PM
oh okay.... i look at this secure or strong reputation like education share (inti) or PBBANK-CD.... or AirAsia ...
last time i played the bursa pursuit .....it helps ?
aurora97
Jan 10 2008, 11:05 PM
bursa pursuit is merely a fictitious game with fictitious funds... in the real word its a totally different ball game.
PPBbank - CD ? Isn't it a call warrant ??
If so i suggest u search for topics on warrant, the method is slightly different when investing in call warrants... risk is slightly higher than shares.
As for inti and airasia ... no comment
panasonic88
Jan 10 2008, 11:05 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:00 PM)
oh okay.... i look at this secure or strong reputation like education share (inti) or
PBBANK-CD.... or AirAsia ...
last time i played the bursa pursuit .....it helps ?
since you said you wanted to buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years
call warrants like PBBANK-CD is not your choice as CW has a short life time (6 months or so only)
you may consider getting 100 shares PBBANK
violin_player84
Jan 10 2008, 11:51 PM
so any suggestion ....where i should start ?
which companies ....i should register or watever..
aurora97
Jan 10 2008, 11:56 PM
quote
"still a student"
if ur still a student my personal opinion is stick to your studies no offence...
share trading can be time consuming and tedious, if ur new try and read and gain more knowledge first dont jump immediately into trading. No point suggesting any counters, because if anyone says that that XYZ company counter is very good andyou will make tonnes of money from it I will say he/she is a lier.
Buying stock is a very subjective matter, it all depends on u reading the materials in the market and doing homework first before u rush in to the market and get slaughtered.
On the other hand, hope is not that bleak for u I suggest u start a unit trust account it works great in a bull market and steadier returns.
TopGunn
Jan 11 2008, 12:07 AM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 11:51 PM)
so any suggestion ....where i should start ?
which companies ....i should register or watever..
aiya....still want to go..
ok..
my opinion..for reference only..ok.
inti - could be stable but 1-2 yrs, dun know how much will growth..
air asia - high risk, hopefully it's ceo bagging his oil price/barrel shoot up...not sure how abt TUNE in the future..
pbbank - only buy below 10.80; for safer, take a 25% discount = 8.50 if u can wait...
feralee
Jan 11 2008, 12:37 AM
in malaysia
nothing is possible
violin_player84
Jan 11 2008, 01:59 AM
icic..thx for the advise ...
one more thing... i not playing share ,,,am i allow to monitor the flow or the change of the stock price (like bursa pursuit )
if yes...share the link here ..thx again
Kinitos
Jan 11 2008, 09:00 AM
Oh student ah? Ok lah sell you cheap AIRASIA 100 shares @ $1.55 (student price) end of the year can break even
kapitan
Jan 11 2008, 09:03 AM
Better buy UT la...
Student ma... if you lost money, u wont be able to concentrate on your studies...
pleasuresaurus
Jan 11 2008, 05:09 PM
QUOTE(kapitan @ Jan 11 2008, 09:03 AM)
Better buy UT la...
Student ma... if you lost money, u wont be able to concentrate on your studies...
Ya la, get unit trust better, u dont really have to focus too much on it and u can get fairly decent long term returns. If ur really hard up on the KLSE, why not try an index tracker like the OSK KLCI tracker fund? The buying in price is fairly cheap, bout 1%, redemption 1%. And if u buy from HSBC they'll redeem half of the charges back to you.
But anyways, i think it entirely depends on ur risk appetite: can u accept that ur money may depreciate? Or do u want sumthing thats like capital guaranteed?If the latter then go Amanah Saham or sumthing la. Worse come to worse main kutu hahahaha
violin_player84
Jan 12 2008, 06:33 PM
okay thx for the information....
just ask like wanna to buy a share ..we need an agent or remisier usually the service charge / commission how much ar ?
aurora97
Jan 12 2008, 06:49 PM
for stock market brokers are normally known as remisiers, u just have to walk into any Securities firm and they will recommend u any remisiers that are available. You will have to fill in some forms, dont forget to bring RM 10 to open a CDS account.
Commission is Rm 40 per way, round turn is RM 80. If u dont trade much the commission is non-negotiable
or refer to this thread, all you need to know about brokerage fees...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/602217
klsestockreview
Jan 12 2008, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 10 2008, 10:28 PM)
okay ppl I got 2,000 in my bank. If i wanna to play share, is tat possible ?
beside that, i not those aggressive player .. i am like buy and put there up to 1 or 2 years then only sell or 1 year later only sell it
still a student
need pro help .. thx
KLSE Stock ReviewI'd say with RM2000 you're better off putting your money in some unit trust. Learn how to invest and then you can dive into the stock market. I doubt as a new investor you will be able to beat unit trust performance. Plus your funds are so limited and you are a student. However, I must add that your time horizon for investing is rather short and you can even lose money with unit trust if you only keep for a year or two. We dont know what the market will be like. A time line of 3-5years will be safer.
Here is an article about investing with very little money like your RM2000 -
http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/2007/0...rk-for-you.htmlFor some useful info on stocks listed on Bursa Malaysia you can visit
http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com
violin_player84
Jan 13 2008, 01:12 AM
klsestockreview ...got ur idea..so if i not going to use the moeny for like 2-3 years...put in KLSE is okay...
are u a player as well ?
TopGunn
Jan 13 2008, 03:35 AM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 12 2008, 06:33 PM)
okay thx for the information....
just ask like wanna to buy a share ..we need an agent or remisier usually the service charge / commission how much ar ?
Brokarage RM40.00 min. started from this yr...Online trading is RM28.00;Most of the trading co have the same brokarage.. think carefully b4 u invest...ur money could be stuck there without any return...good luck...
normanTE
Jan 13 2008, 08:58 AM
maybe you would like to try www.hlebroking start at 0.1% interest for small buyer. of course as most already empahsis that 40rm is way toomuch for small buyer
klsestockreview
Jan 13 2008, 10:33 AM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 01:12 AM)
klsestockreview ...got ur idea..so if i not going to use the moeny for like 2-3 years...put in KLSE is okay...
are u a player as well ?
Yeah, the longer your investment horizon the less risk you're taking. Because you dont have to suddenly take your money out of the particular counter when market is unfavorable. Try picking some solid stocks. If you're not going to watch the market constantly dont bother with speculation stocks. Also some stocks like shipping and oil&gas might be great to earn money on but they are cyclical in nature. That means demand and supply for the products/service fluctuate and thus the share prices also fluctuate. So important to put your surplus money. I'm not a fan of construction and infrastructure stocks because it is very difficult to find undervalued counters in this sector. Because of their high visibility and media coverage their stock price is usually fully valued. However I do have some money in Muhibbah Engineering Bhd. All you need to do is come in and out of the market abt 3 times in a year and you have the potential to make more than active traders. Wait patiently for market to slide then attack.
My pick for you would be the likes of PBBANK, BJTOTO, KNM, VADS, IOICORP, ICAP, LIONDIV, RCECAP, MUHIBAH, PIE, AEON, RESORTS, GENTING. I also have a few unit trust funds with Public Mutual and some of them outpeform my stocks. I have Public Far East Select Fund, Public Ittikal Fund and Public China Ittikal Fund. Public Mutual has many brilliant funds.
You can visit my blog for more ideas on various stocks.
http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/
violin_player84
Jan 13 2008, 10:50 AM
thx KLSE review... once again..like remisier ..or the HLebroking...
mean when i wanna to take part (invest) in stock market...
1st i need a remisier / broker and it's RM 40 minimum...( how about the 0.1% interest ..dun understand)
2nd pick the correct stock...
3rd wait wait wait ...may up to 2 years + ...
4th SELL
is tat something like this ? ..if no pls tell me the correct ...thx for all the pro!!!
klse review .. i visited ur blog and going to link it ..ur blog is awesome
aurora97
Jan 13 2008, 01:00 PM
HLE broking question of 0.1%
the HLEbroking facility is different in a sense that if you have any un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account.
Brokerage fees
Rm 40 min is just to "buy"
another Rm 40 you will have to pay when u "sell"
Buying = one way = Rm 40
Buying & Selling = Round turn = Rm 80
Ok here is the math....
Total share price purchase/sold - brokerage fee - stamp duty - clearing fee = total amount
1,000 - Rm 40 - Rm 26 - 7.52 = Rm 926.48
*i could be wrong
Conclusion u must make at least 0.1 cents to at least break even, i think it use to be 0.05.
Gd luck hunting!
klsestockreview
Jan 13 2008, 05:34 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 10:50 AM)
thx KLSE review... once again..like remisier ..or the HLebroking...
mean when i wanna to take part (invest) in stock market...
1st i need a remisier / broker and it's RM 40 minimum...( how about the 0.1% interest ..dun understand)
2nd pick the correct stock...
3rd wait wait wait ...may up to 2 years + ...
4th SELL
is tat something like this ? ..if no pls tell me the correct ...thx for all the pro!!!
klse review .. i visited ur blog and going to link it ..ur blog is awesome
I've written a special article/post to answer all your questions on brokerage fees and any other trading cost. Its too long to write here. Do feel free to write me if you dont understand. The market is full of sharks, dont get into it unless you're fully informed and prepared.
Here is the link :
Calculating Stock Trading Cost: Update 2008!http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/
violin_player84
Jan 13 2008, 05:38 PM
mean my revenue must at least RM 120 ... in order to break-even...
RM 80+26+7.62 = 113.62 (make it RM 120)
the "un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account."
still dun get it .. sry
klsestockreview
Jan 13 2008, 09:36 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 13 2008, 05:38 PM)
mean my revenue must at least RM 120 ... in order to break-even...
RM 80+26+7.62 = 113.62 (make it RM 120)
the "un-used balance say in your trading account every month your entitle to 0.1% interest just like ur savings account."
still dun get it .. sry
KLSE Stock ReviewCorrect, the unused balance stays in your trading account and earns you an interest rate. Hong Leong i juz saw has advertised that the rate is 0.1%. But that should not really be your concern since you're only talking abt RM2000. The profit to break even on each stock and each trade differs.
Try this link for Hwang DBS break even calculator. Maybe it will help you. Bet way to understand is walk into a broking firm and ask them. Juz keep asking questions and you shall understand. I like people who are not afraid to ask. I remember when I used to be asking questions. It so hard to get answers isnt it? Coz everyone seems to have different answers...haha. But dont give up. Keep at it.
http://einvest.hdbsib.com/calc/frm_Calcstk.asp
violin_player84
Jan 14 2008, 12:15 AM
so ...broking firmz i noe HL now , RHB ...and then...still got ?
klsestockreview
Jan 14 2008, 12:51 AM
1.CIMB INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
2 HWANGDBS INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
3 AMINVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
4 KENANGA INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
5 OSK INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
6 CREDIT SUISSE SECURITIES (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
7 RHB INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
8 ASEAMBANKERS MALAYSIA BERHAD
9 JPMORGAN SECURITIES (MALAYSIA)SDN BHD
10 CLSA SECURITIES MALAYSIA SDN BHD
11 UBS SECURITIES MALAYSIA SDN BHD
12 ECM LIBRA AVENUE SECURITIES SDN. BHD.
13 TA SECURITIES HOLDINGS BERHAD
14 MACQUARIE (MALAYSIA) SDN BHD
15 PUBLIC INVESTMENT BANK BERHAD
These are the top 15 brokers based on trading volume. Of coz they switch ranking around sometimes but its pretty much the same most of the time. These 15 brokers usually handle almost 80% of trades in Malaysia. There are few other small brokerage firms. I personally have an account with PM Securities in Klang.
http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com
violin_player84
Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM
i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
klsestockreview
Jan 14 2008, 04:11 AM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM)
i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
Many of them offer for RM28. I use HwangDBS E'Invest.
Jordy
Jan 14 2008, 08:25 AM
Violin, as a student myself and possibly younger than you by a year, I can share my experiences with you.
I started trading in KLSE 8 years ago, when many people were still brushing up for PMR. It was a great experience back then watching the stocks and reading updates in the business world.
I didn't have any basic knowledge of the stock market then, I just traded by following speculations (or pure luck).
It was good as I managed to accumulate a profit of 30% by the first year, and my parents were proud.
That was just before the 2001 9/11 attacks, when I suddenly lost all my hard earned cash + profits prior to that because of lack of knowledge.
I never looked back then, but continued to earn money to start my investment again. My money was stuck there for a good few years, without earning me anything, because the stocks that I invested in were not so performing. So I just managed to breakeven.
Not long ago, I beefed up my stock trading knowledge by reading a lot when I had a break during lessons.
Now lucky to say, I have the chance of having a bit of knowledge in stock analysis, reading annual reports and invest in the right stocks.
I have accumulated enough capital to divide my investment between stocks and unit trust. In good times, I am earning an average of 10% in less than 2 months from stock market, and another 10% in around 1 month from unit trust.
I must say, for your RM2000, it is very difficult to spot undervalued stocks which you can cash into, without doing the due diligence and time for research. I sacrifice my study time to do my research and self-study on the stock market. Are you able to do that?
Regards
klsestockreview
Jan 14 2008, 01:06 PM
QUOTE(violin_player84 @ Jan 14 2008, 01:42 AM)
i read about ur blog the internet trading only RM 28 ...which one offer that ?
I was reading The Edge and saw and advert for HLeBroking (Hong Leong). They offer a minimum brokerage rate of RM12. Thats pretty good. Maybe its worth checking out. Do check out all their terms and conditions before jumping and signing up with them. Also ask for how long they will keep it at RM12. Hong Leong is desperate to gain some market share with their brokerage firm so they are doing all sorts of things to capture more clients.
www.hlebroking.com
http://klsestockreview.blogspot.com/
kakkoii!!
Jan 14 2008, 01:25 PM
bro..why dont you try unit trust..evry bank in malaysia hav this product..
it consists of top 40 companies' units shares..min investment u can get for 1000..
cheap isnt?fit ur student "income"..hihi
and if you really interested to become a hardcore in stock exchange one day..
register for this game..
http://www.pathfinder.com.mybrief:
-u given 1mil for capital
-invest wisely
gudlak!!
klsestockreview
Jan 14 2008, 07:12 PM
QUOTE(kakkoii!! @ Jan 14 2008, 01:25 PM)
bro..why dont you try unit trust..evry bank in malaysia hav this product..
it consists of top 40 companies' units shares..min investment u can get for 1000..
cheap isnt?fit ur student "income"..hihi
and if you really interested to become a hardcore in stock exchange one day..
register for this game..
http://www.pathfinder.com.mybrief:
-u given 1mil for capital
-invest wisely
gudlak!!

I went to the site but found out its only for students of local universities. But of course you can play under a fake name but its not so much fun when you know you can't win no prizes. But still I feel its a good innitiative to get students to learn and get interested in the stock market.
violin_player84
Jan 14 2008, 08:50 PM
tat one local public uni =.= student
wenjie86
Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
wenjie86
Jan 15 2008, 01:12 PM
hmm.. interesting.. me myself also interested investing in stock market.
let say if i have 10K cash.. what should i do?
smartly
Jan 15 2008, 02:23 PM
QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
Strange ??? why no trading account, when you sign up an CDS account with a broker it should come with it. If no trading account of course cannot trade, i presume....
TopGunn
Jan 15 2008, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
Give a call to your remiser, he/she will cleared your doubts.
cherroy
Jan 15 2008, 03:05 PM
QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 12:57 PM)
hi guyz, am new here
wanna ask ya, i got CDS account but dont have trading acc.. so, still can buy stock?
Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.
QUOTE(smartly @ Jan 15 2008, 02:23 PM)
Strange ??? why no trading account, when you sign up an CDS account with a broker it should come with it. If no trading account of course cannot trade, i presume....
Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.
QUOTE(TopGunn @ Jan 15 2008, 02:28 PM)
Give a call to your remiser, he/she will cleared your doubts.
He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.
TopGunn
Jan 15 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2008, 03:05 PM)
Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.
Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.
He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.
i'd the similar case...i think this is quite no. of yrs back..ya, a got cds acc just solely for my esos..i never buy any share from market, that is only to trade selling after share being exercise...i do not have trading acc.. until i checked with my remiser (Guy who open cds for me....) , he gave me trading acc no. and ask me to bank in some money b4 i can buy any share from market.
klsestockreview
Jan 15 2008, 06:27 PM
Well put Cherroy! Very clear explaination about CDS and Trading accounts. Actually their names also explain their function. Central Depository System is where your shares are credited/deposited once you make a purchase of an IPO or on the open market. A trading account is simply an account you use to make trades.
wenjie86
Jan 15 2008, 07:08 PM
QUOTE(cherroy @ Jan 15 2008, 04:05 PM)
Not possible, you need a trading account for the transaction.
Possible as one can always only open only CDS to keep their shares if they don't intend to trade eg. you don't have any CDS when applied IPO for shares, you open an CDS for this purpose but don't need trading account to apply for IPO.
There is no rules that one must open a trading account when open a CDS account, although it doesn't make sense not to have one (trading account) but one can always only open CDS to keep their shares only, and want to trade open the trading account later.
He/she got no trading account, then means he/she doesn't have a remiser serving for him/her.
am not sure.. before this i use my CDS account to buy IPO and sell IPO...
i open CDS when i was 18 years old.. about 4 years ago, that time dont have job, still a student, so, only can open CDS
smartly
Jan 16 2008, 01:12 PM
QUOTE(wenjie86 @ Jan 15 2008, 07:08 PM)
am not sure.. before this i use my CDS account to buy IPO and sell IPO...
i open CDS when i was 18 years old.. about 4 years ago, that time dont have job, still a student, so, only can open CDS
In that case, you should now able to contact the broker to open an online trading account or with remisier assisted. Preferably online, coz, it cheaper trading online...
Clan204
Jan 16 2008, 01:23 PM
hi there im just noob at this all but really need to know how to invest the safest way

lets say i have money but as a noob i still dont know anything, so is it safe for me to "tumpang" someone else let say any one of lyn member who invest. is there anyone here to do so such service as i mention
panasonic88
Jan 16 2008, 02:04 PM
QUOTE(Clan204 @ Jan 16 2008, 01:23 PM)
hi there im just noob at this all but really need to know how to invest the safest way

lets say i have money but as a noob i still dont know anything, so is it safe for me to "tumpang" someone else let say any one of lyn member who invest. is there anyone here to do so such service as i mention

dont depend on ppl, it is your own money
enjoy the learning process as you go along
cherroy
Jan 16 2008, 05:31 PM
QUOTE(panasonic88 @ Jan 16 2008, 02:04 PM)
dont depend on ppl, it is your own money
enjoy the learning process as you go along
Yup, it is your hard-earned money, so decide on your own.
If 'follow' people, then people go to 'Holland', you also go to 'Holland'. The worst part other people may know why they go to 'Holland' but you follow people to 'Holland' also don't know.
aretla
Jan 16 2008, 09:40 PM
i think my situation is juz opposite..
i got a HLEbroking account.. this should be a trading account rite.. but i never open any CDS account b4.. so where to do tat?
i never do any trading before..
so can i juz start buy online through the hlebroking website without open a CDS account??
smartly
Jan 16 2008, 10:11 PM
QUOTE(aretla @ Jan 16 2008, 09:40 PM)
i think my situation is juz opposite..
i got a HLEbroking account.. this should be a trading account rite.. but i never open any CDS account b4.. so where to do tat?
i never do any trading before..
so can i juz start buy online through the hlebroking website without open a CDS account??
oic, in that case, you should be able to trade right away, because when u open HLeBroking you are under their nominee account. Meaning you will have a CDS account under their company nominee account. Just logon to www.hlebroking.com.my to get access to their online trading and immediately u can buy and sell when u bank in money to your HLeBroking trading account (trust account). Any queries just give them a call.
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