I have looked at the recent announcement from Sony like the a200 and compact camera. When I saw the mp, truth be told somewhere inside of me a little man jumped in excitement.
Could it be... the time that what we've been waiting for? The end of mp race and the dawn of high IQ high ISO images? Or is it false hope?
Full Version: Is this the year MP race is over
i doubt MP race will be over. while photographers like us understand MP and how it's NOT the only factor when it comes to capturing images, the general public in the world still thinks MP is the MOST important factor in image capturing.
so having 11MP over your 10.5MP means i still hold majority of theidiots not-so-knowledgeable / ill-informed market.
and let's not forget man, sales person always push megapixel. that's the easiest way to sell.
so having 11MP over your 10.5MP means i still hold majority of the
and let's not forget man, sales person always push megapixel. that's the easiest way to sell.
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jan 8 2008, 06:18 PM)
I have looked at the recent announcement from Sony like the a200 and compact camera. When I saw the mp, truth be told somewhere inside of me a little man jumped in excitement.
Could it be... the time that what we've been waiting for? The end of mp race and the dawn of high IQ high ISO images? Or is it false hope?
Could it be... the time that what we've been waiting for? The end of mp race and the dawn of high IQ high ISO images? Or is it false hope?
MP race will never stop especially for compact and prosumer.
If u know nth about camera, just consumer users, i feed u with 2 cameras, 1 with big highlighted 12MP and another 1 highlighted with 'support up to 3200 ISO', which 1 will u choose?
i guess the answer is pretty obvious
I'm telling because I'm astounded at the mps in Sony's new cameras, 10 in a200 and 7 in compacts. With newer models we should always expect bigger mp i.e of at least 12mp on that a200 dslr but this is not so. Is Sony only implements no mp upgrade in these two cameras only or it's a whole new direction by Sony if not other camera makers itself.
Casio new digital camera only 6 mp!!!
great job!
great job!
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jan 8 2008, 10:11 PM)
I'm telling because I'm astounded at the mps in Sony's new cameras, 10 in a200 and 7 in compacts. With newer models we should always expect bigger mp i.e of at least 12mp on that a200 dslr but this is not so. Is Sony only implements no mp upgrade in these two cameras only or it's a whole new direction by Sony if not other camera makers itself.
it's not because it's basically using the same sensor as a100/d80/d40x ... and jumping to 12.2Mp would leave an odd gap between its entry level and midrange product
Canon Compact also goes back to 7.1mp.
But no matter how, a small part of us still hope for higher pixels.
The worst part is when someone stupid enough did not scale the pics and send to your email... jaming it straight.
I believe MP war will go all the way to 20MP... in years to come la.
But no matter how, a small part of us still hope for higher pixels.
The worst part is when someone stupid enough did not scale the pics and send to your email... jaming it straight.
I believe MP war will go all the way to 20MP... in years to come la.
Sony must clear the 10MP CCD stock mah.
QUOTE(scorgio @ Jan 8 2008, 11:24 PM)
Sony must clear the 10MP CCD stock mah.
not really necessary, as the same CCD is also being used by Nikon
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jan 8 2008, 10:11 PM)
I'm telling because I'm astounded at the mps in Sony's new cameras, 10 in a200 and 7 in compacts. With newer models we should always expect bigger mp i.e of at least 12mp on that a200 dslr but this is not so. Is Sony only implements no mp upgrade in these two cameras only or it's a whole new direction by Sony if not other camera makers itself.
Sony's compacts (some model) comes with 4GB Internal memory.
QUOTE(soulfly @ Jan 8 2008, 11:49 PM)
not really necessary, as the same CCD is also being used by Nikon
D80 replacement due in around 4-5 months time mah.
Further, if the old CCD not cleared, how can Sony start to push models with 10MP CMOS in large scale.
Not to say that i support the MP race.
But before we know the picture quality of these new cameras with the non-increasing MP. And only if they use a bigger sensor for the equal amount of MP. But truth is, i read that the sensor size didn't change at all.
so..I would actually like a bigger MP increasing linearly with the sensor size. wat i mean is, would u like a 1/2.5" 8MP CCD or a 1/1.7" 12MP CCD in ur NEW camera?
Just some extra information, u can choose to beliv it or not, its my calculation anyway.
so if i did not calculate wrongly, sensor size of
1/2.5" = 5.76 x 4.29 = 24.7mm*2 of image producing area
1/1.7" = 9.5x 7.6 = 43.3mm*2 of image producing area
which is 75% more area, compared to 12MP which is actually 50% more pixels than 8MP. So, would u rather have them have the MP race, or do nothing about the MP at all....
u can refer here --->http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor+sizes
But before we know the picture quality of these new cameras with the non-increasing MP. And only if they use a bigger sensor for the equal amount of MP. But truth is, i read that the sensor size didn't change at all.
so..I would actually like a bigger MP increasing linearly with the sensor size. wat i mean is, would u like a 1/2.5" 8MP CCD or a 1/1.7" 12MP CCD in ur NEW camera?
Just some extra information, u can choose to beliv it or not, its my calculation anyway.
so if i did not calculate wrongly, sensor size of
1/2.5" = 5.76 x 4.29 = 24.7mm*2 of image producing area
1/1.7" = 9.5x 7.6 = 43.3mm*2 of image producing area
which is 75% more area, compared to 12MP which is actually 50% more pixels than 8MP. So, would u rather have them have the MP race, or do nothing about the MP at all....
u can refer here --->http://www.dpreview.com/learn/?/key=sensor+sizes
probably the makers have realized 12mp is more than enuf already. and just about time, i think there some fresh progress for full frame sensor and medium format now.
Normally they would crammed more pixels on an old sensors for new cameras plus new algorithms for IQ. But this seems not to be, Sony only put new algorithms (most probably).
In a sense the camera industry is similar to the computer's years ago. In computers people used to measure the com's performance only through clock speed (the masses customers anyways) until one smart company marketed their proc through the clock speed equivalent instead of the real speed. In camera's the masses tend to judge IQ based on MPs. I guess maybe the smart way is to put an IQ eq like 10.++ instead of a real 10mp.
I've seen the peviews of Sony a200 here, from the looks of it
kudos to Sony.
In a sense the camera industry is similar to the computer's years ago. In computers people used to measure the com's performance only through clock speed (the masses customers anyways) until one smart company marketed their proc through the clock speed equivalent instead of the real speed. In camera's the masses tend to judge IQ based on MPs. I guess maybe the smart way is to put an IQ eq like 10.++ instead of a real 10mp.
I've seen the peviews of Sony a200 here, from the looks of it
kudos to Sony.
MP race is slowing down... coming up next is the ZOOM range race.
hmmm at iso800 and 1600 you still can see plenty of details. Not bad from sony. 
the only thing i dont like about the camera is the cheesy 10.2 mgp tag beside the lens mount XD
the only thing i dont like about the camera is the cheesy 10.2 mgp tag beside the lens mount XD
that 10.2mp tag is indeed cheesy
a200 really looked poisonous. Cf, lighter small sizes, fn button, battery grip, 
... no doubt Sony try to pry away Canonians 
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... no doubt Sony try to pry away Canonians .
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jan 9 2008, 11:20 PM)
a200 really looked poisonous. Cf, lighter small sizes, fn button, battery grip, ... no doubt Sony try to pry away Canonians .
... no doubt Sony try to pry away Canonians .why canonians in particular? racist!
actually a200 isn't that smaller or lighter than a100
a100: 133.1mm x 94.7mm x 71.3mm, 545g body only w/o battery
a200: 130.8mm x 98.5mm x 71.3mm, 532g body only w/o battery
only 13g lighter...heheh
a100: 133.1mm x 94.7mm x 71.3mm, 545g body only w/o battery
a200: 130.8mm x 98.5mm x 71.3mm, 532g body only w/o battery
only 13g lighter...heheh
QUOTE(goldfries @ Jan 9 2008, 11:26 PM)
why canonians in particular? racist!
, I want to say Nikon but I noticed Nikonians used sd instead of CF like us Canonians did. One thing is those Sandisk Ducati or what ever Ultra high Extreme 4gb performance CF could be used in a200 also beside your Canon.
some nikon cameras uses CF cards too you know... like the D200, D300, D3, D2x, D2xs
Pardon my lack of knowledge. Nikon D80 is how far I go, afraid to be in that D+ or D++ territory unless I'm in an acceptable income *cough* invest in PM *cough* level yet. Might be too poisonous to handle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megapixel#Megapixel
Megapixels vs. Maximum Print Size Chart
http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
Megapixels vs. Maximum Print Size Chart
http://www.design215.com/toolbox/megapixels.php
^print size in what unit? cm? mm? inch?
in inches i think 
useful Megapixel calculator, just type in the resolution of your pic
it will tell all the info u need to know
http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp
useful Megapixel calculator, just type in the resolution of your pic
it will tell all the info u need to know
http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp
We'll see in the upcoming PMA end of this month. 
I don't think MP will be much of a selling point to seasoned photographers. Well for me personally that is. Key areas I like to see in terms of race is image quality, colour reproduction and ISO performance.
A good read and check up would be to learn more about the imaging part.
Imagine a normal CCD and you compare them between a 7MP and a 12MP. Both CCD's are the same size in physical terms but the amount of pixels are different. So in relative sense, the CCD with 12MP would have smaller sized pixels as compared to the one made with only 7MP. Once the size of these pixels shrink, the sensitivity of each pixel will shrink and the noise will be increased as the signal will be amplified or applied a gain.
I do like the way how that if you increase the MP then you should increase the size of the sensor (whether CCD or CMOS) but in terms of a manufacturing viewpoint, people are trying to shrink electronic items. For the consumer market, smaller cameras with good performance are more sought after.
So now that we know that Nikon D3 has released a full frame sensor at only 12MP, and Canon's 1Ds Mark III has 21MP on the same size, nowonder everyone is raving about D3's high ISO performance. But I am still waiting for a picture to picture comparison.
A good read and check up would be to learn more about the imaging part.
Imagine a normal CCD and you compare them between a 7MP and a 12MP. Both CCD's are the same size in physical terms but the amount of pixels are different. So in relative sense, the CCD with 12MP would have smaller sized pixels as compared to the one made with only 7MP. Once the size of these pixels shrink, the sensitivity of each pixel will shrink and the noise will be increased as the signal will be amplified or applied a gain.
I do like the way how that if you increase the MP then you should increase the size of the sensor (whether CCD or CMOS) but in terms of a manufacturing viewpoint, people are trying to shrink electronic items. For the consumer market, smaller cameras with good performance are more sought after.
So now that we know that Nikon D3 has released a full frame sensor at only 12MP, and Canon's 1Ds Mark III has 21MP on the same size, nowonder everyone is raving about D3's high ISO performance. But I am still waiting for a picture to picture comparison.
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14 is the new 12
Jan 14--In the beginning there was 3, which became 6, 8, and 10. And 10 begat 12. So shall 12 give way to 14.
What the heck am I talking about? Megapixel creep. Yes, folks, it's once again time for the marketing folk to get out their erasers and remove all the references to 12 and start penciling in the new champ, 14. At the upcoming PMA you'll see both compacts and DSLRs start trumpeting the new number as if it were magical.
And buyers will fall for it. You'll hear chants of "More pixels mean better cropping choices." "Advances in noise reduction mean I get the same quality with more quantity." "Finally, I can print 13x19" at 300dpi" (not really, but someone will say something like that). Just remember: more pixels come with other issues, more storage space needed being a big one (and transfer times per image go up).
Here's a better choice for your money: spend it learning how to best use what you've got. Go to PhotoshopWorld and learn some new techniques. Browse Shaw Guides and find a workshop near you. Purchase a good book and study it carefully.
Buying incremental increases like 10 to 12mp or 12 to 14mp generally don't buy you much (though every now and then the camera body the new sensor is in provides something worth the money). A couple of hundred new pixels in each direction almost always gets you less than learning how to properly frame the pixels you have.
Apology
Jan 14--Those that ordered my eBooks over the holiday and shortly after experienced delayed fulfillment. All orders through Jan 8th have now shipped, and the explanation for the delay is in a letter accompanying your package. My apologies for the slow processing of orders. Things should revert back to normal now that I'm able to direct my attention back to the business.
Jan 14--In the beginning there was 3, which became 6, 8, and 10. And 10 begat 12. So shall 12 give way to 14.
What the heck am I talking about? Megapixel creep. Yes, folks, it's once again time for the marketing folk to get out their erasers and remove all the references to 12 and start penciling in the new champ, 14. At the upcoming PMA you'll see both compacts and DSLRs start trumpeting the new number as if it were magical.
And buyers will fall for it. You'll hear chants of "More pixels mean better cropping choices." "Advances in noise reduction mean I get the same quality with more quantity." "Finally, I can print 13x19" at 300dpi" (not really, but someone will say something like that). Just remember: more pixels come with other issues, more storage space needed being a big one (and transfer times per image go up).
Here's a better choice for your money: spend it learning how to best use what you've got. Go to PhotoshopWorld and learn some new techniques. Browse Shaw Guides and find a workshop near you. Purchase a good book and study it carefully.
Buying incremental increases like 10 to 12mp or 12 to 14mp generally don't buy you much (though every now and then the camera body the new sensor is in provides something worth the money). A couple of hundred new pixels in each direction almost always gets you less than learning how to properly frame the pixels you have.
Apology
Jan 14--Those that ordered my eBooks over the holiday and shortly after experienced delayed fulfillment. All orders through Jan 8th have now shipped, and the explanation for the delay is in a letter accompanying your package. My apologies for the slow processing of orders. Things should revert back to normal now that I'm able to direct my attention back to the business.
http://www.bythom.com/ :3
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