hiroshi
Dec 14 2007, 09:13 AM
linkinstreet
Dec 14 2007, 01:14 PM
Meh, remember Microsoft N version? Nobody wanted it. IE is inside because when ppl buy an OS, they want everything to work out of the box.
V1V3C
Dec 14 2007, 04:16 PM
ok, how can you download other browser program without using internet explorer in first place?
opera needs more advertising.
super macgyver
Dec 14 2007, 07:48 PM
QUOTE(V1V3C @ Dec 14 2007, 04:16 PM)
ok, how can you download other browser program without using internet explorer in first place?
opera needs more advertising.
opera already quite famous now in the net, i also using it.

better than ie & firefox.
linkinstreet
Dec 14 2007, 08:48 PM
yes, but how do you get it to your PC if they dun have IE? not many would go to another place just to download the installer. It's retarded.
ioriamd
Dec 14 2007, 10:04 PM
maybe they want to bundle it with windows ... never use opera b4.. maybe can try to dl it
Added on December 14, 2007, 10:05 pmQUOTE(super macgyver @ Dec 14 2007, 07:48 PM)
opera already quite famous now in the net, i also using it.

better than ie & firefox.
in what aspect it better than ie and firefox?
can tell us more?
Thirteen
Dec 14 2007, 11:54 PM
I prefer firefox more than opera
chicaman
Dec 15 2007, 12:01 AM
get used to firefox, don wana change
btw last time microsoft was sued by netscape for monopolying by giving out free internet explorer.
linkinstreet
Dec 15 2007, 09:28 AM
And Microsoft won. Netscape lose big time on that one not because of the case itself, but the time it needs for them to agree on a decision. By that time IE has become a norm.
And Opera is better than Firefox, as it's lighter, don't take many resources, and many of the plugins that you have to download for firefox are by default built in in Opera, not to mention that with each plugin for Firefox you need to allocate more memory, which is why FF will memory leak if left on for too long.
Opera USB is one hell of a browser too, but I use IE7 for personal usage.
samurai1337
Dec 15 2007, 03:10 PM
I use Firefox although I don't mind IE7 sitting in my PC
In short, even though IE7 comes pre-installed with Windows Vista, I have my choice of preferred web browser. (hence I don't see the reason of Opera sueing MS)
xf86
Dec 17 2007, 05:05 PM
Yeap, i agree with elite samurai

I've my IE7 on my pc, I'm still using Firefox

Just use IE to login to some page which used ASP.
dkcc87
Dec 17 2007, 07:19 PM
FF is still my choice though..got used to it..
HMMaster
Dec 17 2007, 07:42 PM
When you can't win against your competitor, sue them.
dkcc87
Dec 17 2007, 07:56 PM
LoL....didn't u heard before love your enemy and they will love you too..."If you can't beat em,join em"!
Createmous
Dec 17 2007, 08:00 PM
i use both ie & ff dpd on mood, blow me.
syazwanreno
Dec 17 2007, 11:40 PM
some on9 game and website still need IE
dadurtyz
Dec 18 2007, 12:03 AM
opera good, but i more prefer firefox, i use IE sometimes when needed like update windows or what-ever comes from microsoft.com thats need IE to run it~
eek-1
Dec 18 2007, 01:00 AM
QUOTE(V1V3C @ Dec 14 2007, 04:16 PM)
ok, how can you download other browser program without using internet explorer in first place?
opera needs more advertising.
Before IE was built-in, people bought Internet browser off-the-shelf. Some other OS bundles Firefox.
skylinegtr34rule4life
Dec 18 2007, 01:13 AM
opera is light but plain and boring
freeman1314
Dec 18 2007, 02:44 AM
I don't mind plain and boring as long as it doesn't interrupt what i'm doing too much,simple and easy tp use, and won't take up too muc memory.
super macgyver
Dec 18 2007, 08:05 AM
QUOTE(skylinegtr34rule4life @ Dec 18 2007, 01:13 AM)
opera is light but plain and boring

how plain and boring? u can change the skin online sumore ler.

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goldfries
Dec 18 2007, 08:17 AM
QUOTE(super macgyver @ Dec 14 2007, 07:48 PM)
opera already quite famous now in the net, i also using it.

better than ie & firefox.
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.aspO RLY. 1.8% is quite famous huh?
here's the reason why I don't use Internet Explorer, other than for testing purposes.

and who cares about being plain and boring, I browse the website for the website. I don't need fancy skins to entertain me.

Opera is good! I use FFox though because I like some of the plugins (I use less than 5 ok!)
irenic
Dec 18 2007, 08:44 AM
many dunno about firefox.. my friends all are using firefox and dunno opera.. i admit that in terms of plugins, firefox has the most complete one, just like IE.. but i'm using opera bcoz opera is faster and lighter..
xf86
Dec 18 2007, 10:14 AM
the first browser i manage to get install to my old win 3.1 is opera which last time as a light weight browser .. can fit into my 1.4mb diskette

that time still netscape communicator rulez!
haha .. i miss those old days
super macgyver
Dec 18 2007, 11:21 PM
QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 18 2007, 08:17 AM)
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.aspO RLY. 1.8% is quite famous huh?
here's the reason why I don't use Internet Explorer, other than for testing purposes.

and who cares about being plain and boring, I browse the website for the website. I don't need fancy skins to entertain me.

Opera is good! I use FFox though because I like some of the plugins (I use less than 5 ok!)
for those who had tried opera, ie & ff, usually will go after opera.
choongyouqi
Dec 18 2007, 11:58 PM
QUOTE(super macgyver @ Dec 18 2007, 11:21 PM)
for those who had tried opera, ie & ff, usually will go after opera.

usually? nah~ haha.. anyway, it is all just depends on individual whether it suits their style or not. I dun prefer operra as I already suit myself with firefox. but my dad, he likes the magnify feature by opera browser where he can read news better(since his eye not tat good)
super_evil_alien
Dec 19 2007, 04:43 PM
I am using opera because it is really good and have more features compared to IE7 and Firefox.Most of the IE features now has been copied from opera.But the latest opera take quiet bit of ram space compared to older version.
qwerty79
Dec 20 2007, 09:52 AM
Before we have Firefox, i used to be an Opera user. Very fast browser compare to IE. But now I use Firefix because the simplicity and the plugin. But Opera had some problem when opening some website.
goldfries
Dec 20 2007, 10:01 AM
QUOTE(super macgyver @ Dec 18 2007, 11:21 PM)
for those who had tried opera, ie & ff, usually will go after opera.

well that doesn't explain that 1.8% from the browser stats.

anyway for me, anything that conforms to web-standards are fine.
suppaman
Dec 20 2007, 10:10 AM
Well, i prefer firefox. opera seems fine. but i dont really like to use IE now, given a choice.
HMMaster
Dec 20 2007, 12:17 PM
QUOTE(eek-1 @ Dec 18 2007, 01:00 AM)
Before IE was built-in, people bought Internet browser off-the-shelf. Some other OS bundles Firefox.
since most browsers are now free, I dont think this model will work.
MS is not stupid enough to bundle competitor's product in their OS.
super macgyver
Dec 20 2007, 01:12 PM
QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 20 2007, 10:01 AM)
well that doesn't explain that 1.8% from the browser stats.

anyway for me, anything that conforms to web-standards are fine.
tat explain tat most users r like to use the default browser in their os, rather than dl anotherone from net.
cannavaro
Dec 20 2007, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Dec 20 2007, 09:52 AM)
Before we have Firefox, i used to be an Opera user. Very fast browser compare to IE. But now I use Firefix because the simplicity and the plugin.
But Opera had some problem when opening some website.
Yup, and that's why I stopped using opera. It's still sitting in my pc though, sometimes I use it just for fun.
Satria-Craze
Dec 20 2007, 03:54 PM
LoL larr opera. Even if they succeeded... it's not like I'm going to use Opera anyway.

It's either Microsoft or Firefox. Whether Opera wins or not... I still won't use it anyway. I wonder what will happen if almost the whole world think like me. Fortunately for Opera though.. they don't.
1024kbps
Dec 20 2007, 04:45 PM
opera latest alpha(9.50) indeed have some problem when loading some webpage, here is the small list:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics_sli2007.html and prolly their main page too.
nero main page,
yahoo mail beta.
but they all works fine on 9.25 official version IIRC.
i will switch to ie7/ffx when i wan to login google page creator coz opera is still dont supported, it cant be fooled by changing useragent string lol
super macgyver
Dec 20 2007, 07:29 PM
QUOTE(qwerty79 @ Dec 20 2007, 09:52 AM)
Before we have Firefox, i used to be an Opera user. Very fast browser compare to IE. But now I use Firefix because the simplicity and the plugin. But Opera had some problem when opening some website.
wat version u using tat time?
littleman
Dec 20 2007, 07:50 PM
I love opera Dial-up feature and the drag-and-drop website link feature.
Kinda got used to Opera already, won't switch to another one.
refnulf
Dec 20 2007, 08:08 PM
Recently started using Opera but I'm having some problems getting it to work flawlessly with my download managers and being able to copy a couple of rapidshare links at once like I use to do on my firefox with flashget.
super macgyver
Dec 21 2007, 02:39 PM
QUOTE(littleman @ Dec 20 2007, 07:50 PM)
I love opera Dial-up feature and the drag-and-drop website link feature.
Kinda got used to Opera already, won't switch to another one.

u should try out its theme feature too, really nicer than FF.
goldfries
Dec 21 2007, 02:42 PM
QUOTE(super macgyver @ Dec 20 2007, 01:12 PM)
tat explain tat most users r like to use the default browser in their os, rather than dl anotherone from net.

yeah lor but FFox % there shows people are willing to download. which quite obvious they're people who are aware la.

but no explanation of what you say Opera being popular lor.
super macgyver
Dec 21 2007, 02:45 PM
QUOTE(goldfries @ Dec 21 2007, 02:42 PM)
yeah lor but FFox % there shows people are willing to download. which quite obvious they're people who are aware la.

but no explanation of what you say Opera being popular lor.
just popular among the college student so far in malaysia.
just wait another few month loh.
goldfries
Dec 21 2007, 03:46 PM

Opera has been around for ages and hasn't even made a dent.
blessedvillain
Dec 21 2007, 04:21 PM
i miss opera earlier version, mainly :
1. Lightweight
2. Small size
3. FAST!!!!!
4. Full of function compared to IE6
NOW:
1. It's ugly... (I know got skin)
2. Getting blotted with unnecessary function
3. Bigger Size
Anyway, I still have Opera in my comp. I like Firefox > IE7 > Opera... last time Opera useb to be my no.1 browser
prole
Dec 22 2007, 03:17 AM
When Opera can't open Yahoo! Mail that I'm rely heavily on, I'm sorry to tell that I should leave it because it can't suit my demands...
linkinstreet
Dec 22 2007, 07:29 AM
If it can't open a site, it's the site's fault actually as Opera renders according to W3 Standard
super macgyver
Dec 22 2007, 11:59 AM
QUOTE(blessedvillain @ Dec 21 2007, 04:21 PM)
i miss opera earlier version, mainly :
1. Lightweight
2. Small size
3. FAST!!!!!
4. Full of function compared to IE6
NOW:
1. It's ugly... (I know got skin)
2. Getting blotted with unnecessary function
3. Bigger Size
Anyway, I still have Opera in my comp. I like Firefox > IE7 > Opera... last time Opera useb to be my no.1 browser

the previous version of ver7.23 is really impressed, tat y i still keep it inside my pc the setup files.
yes, it is still very fast.
QUOTE(prole @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 AM)
When Opera can't open Yahoo! Mail that I'm rely heavily on, I'm sorry to tell that I should leave it because it can't suit my demands...
u sure? i can open it even with ver 9.24 ler.
tvcat
Dec 22 2007, 05:21 PM
QUOTE(prole @ Dec 22 2007, 03:17 AM)
When Opera can't open Yahoo! Mail that I'm rely heavily on, I'm sorry to tell that I should leave it because it can't suit my demands...
really?? although im using Firefox, but i did tried opera before, never had
problem to browse any webpage.
I just give it up because it is bloated and the chinese word rendered so ugly,
tried to find a solution but the help on its website is really a no no....
Endless9930
Dec 22 2007, 06:02 PM
Prefer Firefox
The tab function is stable , not like IE 7 , which will like lag when i open more than 3 tabs
super macgyver
Dec 22 2007, 10:33 PM
QUOTE(tvcat @ Dec 22 2007, 05:21 PM)
really?? although im using Firefox, but i did tried opera before, never had
problem to browse any webpage.
I just give it up because it is bloated and the chinese word rendered so ugly,
tried to find a solution but the help on its website is really a no no....
which veru on to tat time? i alwiz browse a lot chinese porn site w/o problem so far.
goldfries
Dec 22 2007, 10:36 PM
QUOTE(linkinstreet @ Dec 22 2007, 07:29 AM)
If it can't open a site, it's the site's fault actually as Opera renders according to W3 Standard
precisely........ but i can open Yahoo Mail wor.
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