Tentris
Dec 3 2007, 05:29 PM
Just wondering whether its worth experimenting with this service.
Looks like an Australian-owned proxy service specifically for WoW.
benny1990
Dec 3 2007, 09:50 PM
since it available for Malaysia , i might try it out . I cant stand the delay in game.
froz3nnoob
Dec 3 2007, 10:51 PM
can use in msia! =) but certain place not available i hear..
Tentris
Dec 4 2007, 02:15 AM
I started using it tonight.
In short = it works.
190ms in the middle of shatt. amazing, the game is incredibly smooth. almost like playing a whole different game. casting spells absolutely no lag. its incredible.
going to try the connection in raid setting tonight if got no maintenance.
intothefantasy
Dec 4 2007, 03:36 AM
how do u pay this service? thru cc?
Tentris
Dec 4 2007, 07:25 AM
yeah, pay with CC via paypal.
froz3nnoob
Dec 4 2007, 08:32 AM
QUOTE(Tentris @ Dec 4 2007, 03:15 AM)
I started using it tonight.
In short = it works.
190ms in the middle of shatt. amazing, the game is incredibly smooth. almost like playing a whole different game. casting spells absolutely no lag. its incredible.
going to try the connection in raid setting tonight if got no maintenance.
can you include a SS while you raiding thank you~
joeboto
Dec 4 2007, 10:59 AM
o.O
rantics got it.
omg.
supernothing
Dec 4 2007, 12:06 PM
i might try this myself. been reading the reviews, they say it's crack.
Aggroboy
Dec 4 2007, 01:05 PM
Considering that Australians themselves get 300-500ms, that's really strange
I go check it out as well.
khelben
Dec 4 2007, 01:25 PM
Remember the Taiwan quake? The time where we couldn't play for shits? I used something almost identical to this, a sockscap to play through a proxy.
And guess what.. 3-day ban. That's from 0 warning, straight to the final warning from Blizzard.
Was exchanging emails with them for quite a while, explaining the situation. But they're pretty dense though. In the end I gave up. Their last stand was, its "Playing WoW with a 3rd party software blabla".
Now with this and everyone seems to be fine, I'm gonna re-email them again.
Kurei
Dec 4 2007, 01:28 PM
I have an a/c and it really does reduce the ping. But wow has been so f***ing laggy since yesterday!!!
Tentris
Dec 4 2007, 01:35 PM
doesn't seem like anyone has been banned for using lowerping yet...
if we can get some raids together tonight, i'll try to get some SS, with and without lowerping on.
froz3nnoob
Dec 4 2007, 01:49 PM
QUOTE(Tentris @ Dec 4 2007, 02:35 PM)
doesn't seem like anyone has been banned for using lowerping yet...
if we can get some raids together tonight, i'll try to get some SS, with and without lowerping on.
=.= CoOl~ and stay cool =.="

Oh Ya~ i really need to ask lowerping staff whether is a crack or what! =.=" If i use and got ban for this i really not worth it ~_~ " although is rm28/month but still! is really sux when our acc been ban T_T "
alkidance
Dec 4 2007, 03:42 PM
I get about 230ms in Shatt, about 300ms-400ms in 25 man raids. I'll post a pic tonight when I get home. Blizzard responded in one of the threads that as long as it doesn't alter intended game-play, you will not be banned.
Note: The better your latency with streamyx, the better your latency through lowerping. So you'll still need to connect to specific streamyx IP for better results.
myremi
Dec 4 2007, 03:52 PM
There was an earthquake yesterday affecting a Southern Cross underwater cable. That cable is owned by Singtel/Optus. A lot of people were having connection problems last nite because of this. And as people were rerouted to other lines, well, guess the users on those lines also lagged more.
alkidance
Dec 4 2007, 04:03 PM
Yeah I noticed Malaysian guildies mass disconnected. Another lowerping user from Malaysia and I wasn't affected lol.
Aggroboy
Dec 4 2007, 04:24 PM
Blue response:
QUOTE
It looks like a group is tunneling traffic thru another set of servers to cross the ocean. Unfortunately we're not able to investigate this. You may want to send that link to hacks@blizzard.com so that they can check it out. Note that tunneling traffic is not something we support.
fjoru103
Dec 4 2007, 04:34 PM
Would love to hear more information.
Again if blizz does not take any action on it then its worth to use it imo
As i think smoother game playing doesn seem harm blizz or us(players).
But again sigh blizz have the policy thingy, o well.
I cant wait for some ss guys or any1 of u can pst me abt the process of the payment?
Just use paypal download and used?
froz3nnoob
Dec 4 2007, 04:41 PM
QUOTE(alkidance @ Dec 4 2007, 04:42 PM)
I get about 230ms in Shatt, about 300ms-400ms in 25 man raids. I'll post a pic tonight when I get home. Blizzard responded in one of the threads that as long as it doesn't alter intended game-play, you will not be banned.
Note: The better your latency with streamyx, the better your latency through lowerping. So you'll still need to connect to specific streamyx IP for better results.
tonight i going to pay for it and I WILL GET LOWERPING !!! haha!!! FOR SURE!
alkidance
Dec 4 2007, 06:54 PM
QUOTE(fjoru103 @ Dec 4 2007, 04:34 PM)
Would love to hear more information.
Again if blizz does not take any action on it then its worth to use it imo
As i think smoother game playing doesn seem harm blizz or us(players).
But again sigh blizz have the policy thingy, o well.
I cant wait for some ss guys or any1 of u can pst me abt the process of the payment?
Just use paypal download and used?
Programs to use and setup guide are on their website. Look for SETUP VISTA or SETUP XP. You'll have to pay first, and they'll email you an IP address, plus login/pw.
manoque
Dec 4 2007, 06:58 PM
This is normal. Shouldn't get bann for it.
Anyone got a screenshot for this for Malaysia WoW gamers?
fjoru103
Dec 4 2007, 07:21 PM
QUOTE(alkidance @ Dec 4 2007, 06:54 PM)
Programs to use and setup guide are on their website. Look for SETUP VISTA or SETUP XP. You'll have to pay first, and they'll email you an IP address, plus login/pw.
Are u using it??
Hmm only concern abt whether will get ban or is this thingy legit as in worry that i will get hack lol
Sry if am saying some dumb thingy as i dono how this ip thingy works

just know it provide better speeds

My ping now is quite terrible in compare to u all
Sometimes 400-700 sometimes suddenly 1k-2k then awhile back to 700...
RM28 if can improve abt it then i totally SUPPRORT 200%
manoque
Dec 4 2007, 07:36 PM
I just subscribe. I'm waiting for the username/pw and gonna try it out and will paste the results including problems if any.
Tentris
Dec 4 2007, 07:45 PM
I'll post up screenies from raid when LoTH clears TK tomorrow.
From my non-raid testing, it works. Generally, 60-70% speed increase. 700ms --> 200ms.
Casting absolutely no lag at all, everything super responsive, and the game seems very smooth.
It'll definitely help in PVP too.
Blast_Cyrus
Dec 4 2007, 09:38 PM
QUOTE(Tentris @ Dec 4 2007, 07:45 PM)
I'll post up screenies from raid when LoTH clears TK tomorrow.
From my non-raid testing, it works. Generally, 60-70% speed increase. 700ms --> 200ms.
Casting absolutely no lag at all, everything super responsive, and the game seems very smooth.
It'll definitely help in PVP too.
Cant wait ur screenie mate

REally ar 700>200 !!!!
Maverick_Neutron
Dec 4 2007, 10:22 PM
Really?! 700 to 200?!! LOLZ..SS immediately!!
Quazacolt
Dec 5 2007, 12:42 AM
money is no problem, its the concern of being banned.
awaiting your email response khelben. once you've sent yours and gotten replies, ill send mine too just to make sure. and ill be screening those mails in an event that blizz gone apeshit and got me banned.
khelben
Dec 5 2007, 01:37 AM
Sent, awaiting reply.
They totally went apeshit with me last time. First they accused me for sharing my account. Probably because of the crazy IP change through proxies. After explaining to them that I was using socks cap, tunneling etc then they accused me of using 3rd party software lol.
It's probably safe, but me having been banned before could probably be used as food for thought.
Hope you guys wont be having any problems
Quazacolt
Dec 5 2007, 02:25 AM
QUOTE(khelben @ Dec 5 2007, 01:37 AM)
Sent, awaiting reply.
They totally went apeshit with me last time. First they accused me for sharing my account. Probably because of the crazy IP change through proxies. After explaining to them that I was using socks cap, tunneling etc then they accused me of using 3rd party software lol.
It's probably safe, but me having been banned before could probably be used as food for thought.
Hope you guys wont be having any problems

im getting an avg of 400-600 ms ping and rarely over that, so to risk my account getting banned for the sake of a mere 200ish lower ping is really not worth it. and thats if the pings are really 200ish CONSTANT on HIGHLY POPULATED areas.
hell i can even get 200ish ms sitting in halls of legend or places like sunrock retreat leveling my alt. does this mean im secretly using lowerping? nope.
khelben
Dec 5 2007, 03:22 AM
Well if you guys really want a confirmation whether it is not a ban able offense to use lowerping.com, you can always email to hacks@blizzard.com.
As posted by a blue.
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.h...557111841&sid=1
sojurn
Dec 5 2007, 06:38 AM
QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Dec 5 2007, 02:25 AM)
im getting an avg of 400-600 ms ping and rarely over that, so to risk my account getting banned for the sake of a mere 200ish lower ping is really not worth it. and thats if the pings are really 200ish CONSTANT on HIGHLY POPULATED areas.
hell i can even get 200ish ms sitting in halls of legend or places like sunrock retreat leveling my alt. does this mean im secretly using lowerping? nope.

That's my current ping while grouped with a friend of mine. We usually play together. Solo play, its quite normal for me to be in the high 400s. In group with him, its usually 510-530. In cap cities, I usually get 550-600 depending on how busy it is. Since getting lowerping, my ping is consistently 239-256ms while playing with him and cap cities is ~260 or so. Its been a BIG difference for me, a lot more playable.
Highest quartz recorded lag for my casts is 350 so far. That used to be the lowest I get without lowerping. I also shot off an email to hacks@blizz and linking hte blue post that didn't say it was bannable and told them to inform me if it is. So I'm hoping that will allow me to show some proof if they accuse me of anything later.
Sojurn
Tentris
Dec 5 2007, 07:20 AM
Just to test, i used the worst IP possible, 219.95.***.***
[attachmentid=353998]
Early morning (7.15am, about 10.15am svt) in front of Scryer bank. I also disabled ALL mods to ensure the cleanest SS, and game speed totally unaffected by mods.
Notice the latency and framerate in bottom right corner.
This next ss is with Lowerping on, exactly 2 min later. Same IP and all mods also off.
[attachmentid=353999]
Notice the latency.
It speaks for itself.
I will test in raid tonight and post results.
From my prior testing, the latency is NOT spikey and very very constant (2 hours of farming completely lag free on monday). Under raid conditions, might change, and i'll test that out tonight.
manoque
Dec 5 2007, 07:35 AM
Dear all,
Here's my result from preliminary testing. Please note i am using the crappy streamyx rm88 package with crazy timeout going on at the background. Also, for some reason, i got the good ip. I will test more once i get back from work.
PFrom the result, it looks like i am getting a constant 400ms average latency, which is good if it is constant. I am on server 7 for lowerping at the moment.
I will do more checks after work later.
sojurn
Dec 5 2007, 08:35 AM
After about 3 hours of play, I noticed roughly 4 spikes. I don't know if it is related to lowerping or the Blizzard servers themselves. The friend I was playing with had been plagued by spikes much worse than mine all day. He was almost at 1k the entire time (his usual lag is ~350ms). This leads me to believe that it is more likely to be occuring on blizzard's end.
Other than that, I did some small world PvP, my counterspells were hugely easier to cast and hit 1.5 sec spells. I used to have a lot of trouble with them on my 500+ms connection but now, they're child's play. I will continue to update this thread, informing both good and bad experiences I have with this service.
So far however, I am impressed and happy. I will test this out in AV in the next few days when I can find the time. I shall try to post screenies of 40v40, that should really stress test out the lowerping connection.
Added on December 5, 2007, 8:36 amAfter about 3 hours of play, I noticed roughly 4 spikes. I don't know if it is related to lowerping or the Blizzard servers themselves. The friend I was playing with had been plagued by spikes much worse than mine all day. He was almost at 1k the entire time (his usual lag is ~350ms). This leads me to believe that it is more likely to be occuring on blizzard's end.
Other than that, I did some small world PvP, my counterspells were hugely easier to cast and hit 1.5 sec spells. I used to have a lot of trouble with them on my 500+ms connection but now, they're child's play. I will continue to update this thread, informing both good and bad experiences I have with this service.
So far however, I am impressed and happy. I will test this out in AV in the next few days when I can find the time. I shall try to post screenies of 40v40, that should really stress test out the lowerping connection.
supernothing
Dec 5 2007, 11:00 AM
got my usr/pwd last night. tried it this morning. suprisingly i got 240ms constant at ogrimmar (near the bank/AH area). it really works. usually my lat there should be around 650-900ms.
only problem is, i constantly got disconnected after 15-20mins connection using lowerping. getting messages like 'connection reset by peer' and 'bla bla caused software abort' (or something like that) on putty.
i'm gonna try again tonight with no addons (maybe fresh install). if problem persists, need to spam their forum/tech mailbox i guess.
Quazacolt
Dec 5 2007, 11:04 AM
judging from the screenshots it is indeed very very convincing. i suppose whats left is an official blizz response as hard proof that it is perfectly safe to use this.
the blue post linked by khelben is just WAY too dodgy to risk my 3ish years played character.
Tentris
Dec 5 2007, 11:29 AM
QUOTE(supernothing @ Dec 5 2007, 11:00 AM)
got my usr/pwd last night. tried it this morning. suprisingly i got 240ms constant at ogrimmar (near the bank/AH area). it really works. usually my lat there should be around 650-900ms.
only problem is, i constantly got disconnected after 15-20mins connection using lowerping. getting messages like 'connection reset by peer' and 'bla bla caused software abort' (or something like that) on putty.
i'm gonna try again tonight with no addons (maybe fresh install). if problem persists, need to spam their forum/tech mailbox i guess.
Was test/farming with Lowerping on Monday for about 2 hours. Never got DC'ed or experienced any large spike (small spike got lah, but this was only noticeable during casting with Quartz).
Actually, i left my Putty on the whole night last night (by accident), it was still running this morning when i woke up.
As i said, the real value will be how it performs during raids, and then during weekends when i arena. Once i get SS from these tests, i'll post them up too.
lung
Dec 5 2007, 12:00 PM
Did u all try other games... Like those FPS games (UT3, CS, etc)?
Tentris
Dec 5 2007, 12:04 PM
Nah it'll only work for WoW, coz the tunneling is configured to go direct to WoW's west coast servers.
supernothing
Dec 5 2007, 12:40 PM
QUOTE(Tentris @ Dec 5 2007, 11:29 AM)
Was test/farming with Lowerping on Monday for about 2 hours. Never got DC'ed or experienced any large spike (small spike got lah, but this was only noticeable during casting with Quartz).
Actually, i left my Putty on the whole night last night (by accident), it was still running this morning when i woke up.
As i said, the real value will be how it performs during raids, and then during weekends when i arena. Once i get SS from these tests, i'll post them up too.
i'm pretty sure it's caused by something else on my side. i'm gonna test it again tonight, and already post a thread on server 6 at their forum.
myremi
Dec 5 2007, 01:18 PM
Tentris, any way of checking if your IP had changed when it was rerouted to the WoW servers? I'm just going by what Khelben mentioning about how his account got banned.
Tentris
Dec 5 2007, 01:34 PM
QUOTE(myremi @ Dec 5 2007, 01:18 PM)
Tentris, any way of checking if your IP had changed when it was rerouted to the WoW servers? I'm just going by what Khelben mentioning about how his account got banned.
Not that i know.
tbh i doubt this is a bannable service; i've been monitoring the Lowerping support forums closely, and no one has reported any problems with blizzard there.
all we're doing is tunneling our traffic via a different path than what our ISP will normally take to reach the wow servers. dont really see how this is something blizzard would be concerned with.
So instead of TMnet -- A -- B -- C -- D -- WoW, the route is now TMnet -- Lowerping -- E -- F -- WoW.
Shorter route, dedicated servers = faster ping.
But meh, even if its a ban, its only a 3 day ban. The risk vs reward ratio weighs greatly (in my mind) towards using the service and getting an extremely satisfying play experience rather than not using it, and suffering (and wondering whether if using Lowerping is legit).
If they do ban me, so what? its just a short ban, and that already answers my question whether the service is usable. After the ban just dont use it again. No real loss. Its just RM20 for Lowerping.
sojurn
Dec 5 2007, 02:58 PM
QUOTE(Tentris @ Dec 5 2007, 01:34 PM)
Not that i know.
tbh i doubt this is a bannable service; i've been monitoring the Lowerping support forums closely, and no one has reported any problems with blizzard there.
all we're doing is tunneling our traffic via a different path than what our ISP will normally take to reach the wow servers. dont really see how this is something blizzard would be concerned with.
So instead of TMnet -- A -- B -- C -- D -- WoW, the route is now TMnet -- Lowerping -- E -- F -- WoW.
Shorter route, dedicated servers = faster ping.
But meh, even if its a ban, its only a 3 day ban. The risk vs reward ratio weighs greatly (in my mind) towards using the service and getting an extremely satisfying play experience rather than not using it, and suffering (and wondering whether if using Lowerping is legit).
If they do ban me, so what? its just a short ban, and that already answers my question whether the service is usable. After the ban just dont use it again. No real loss. Its just RM20 for Lowerping.
While that route diagram you drew is roughly how tunneling/VPN works, you should know that because you are using lowerping as a proxy, blizzard cannot trace your IP beyond them. So, and this is conjecture here, becareful of logging in with and without lowerping within a sport span of time.
They can detect the sudden change in location of the IP and *may* suspect that your account has been hacked since you move from Malaysia to Australia within a matter of minutes, which, well, defies the laws of physics. Having said that, they might already recognise lowerping's proxy IPs and know that you are just using that service.
A fair number of users have been asking for Blizzard's response and the closest that came back was one where they stated as long as its not against the ToS, its fine. How they interpret it, however, is subject to speculation but I would think that they would post about it before taking action, because it is not exactly a small number of people using it.
Lowerping has several servers up now and it will be interesting to see how many users their infrastructure can support since I believe they are using a low bandwidth link to the US hence, it is not utilised frequently by ISPs that are much more concerned with bandwidth than latency.
froz3nnoob
Dec 5 2007, 03:02 PM
QUOTE(sojurn @ Dec 5 2007, 03:58 PM)
While that route diagram you drew is roughly how tunneling/VPN works, you should know that because you are using lowerping as a proxy, blizzard cannot trace your IP beyond them. So, and this is conjecture here, becareful of logging in with and without lowerping within a sport span of time.
They can detect the sudden change in location of the IP and *may* suspect that your account has been hacked since you move from Malaysia to Australia within a matter of minutes, which, well, defies the laws of physics. Having said that, they might already recognise lowerping's proxy IPs and know that you are just using that service.
A fair number of users have been asking for Blizzard's response and the closest that came back was one where they stated as long as its not against the ToS, its fine. How they interpret it, however, is subject to speculation but I would think that they would post about it before taking action, because it is not exactly a small number of people using it.
Lowerping has several servers up now and it will be interesting to see how many users their infrastructure can support since I believe they are using a low bandwidth link to the US hence, it is not utilised frequently by ISPs that are much more concerned with bandwidth than latency.
just paid for the service and now is waiting for the password to arrive ^^ =) wish i won't be lagging anymore haha xD currently when not peak time i would gain around 300~400 ms maybe i could reach 150~ 200 ms !! WO.oT! will be posting up the screen shoot 2night~
sojurn
Dec 5 2007, 03:12 PM
QUOTE(froz3nnoob @ Dec 5 2007, 03:02 PM)
just paid for the service and now is waiting for the password to arrive ^^ =) wish i won't be lagging anymore haha xD currently when not peak time i would gain around 300~400 ms maybe i could reach 150~ 200 ms !! WO.oT! will be posting up the screen shoot 2night~
Good luck bro! Shouldn't be too long, I paid about 7.30pm yesterday evening, and got my usern/pw at around 2am, which was perfect cos I play around 3.30am with some friends from UK =) Low latency ftw!
joeboto
Dec 5 2007, 04:24 PM
tempting..........
Maverick_Neutron
Dec 5 2007, 05:16 PM
QUOTE(joeboto @ Dec 5 2007, 04:24 PM)
yup, very much so...
mainFrame
Dec 5 2007, 05:26 PM
hmmm...interesting...
but i dont like the thought of getting banned even if its a short one... :\
sojurn
Dec 5 2007, 05:34 PM
QUOTE(mainFrame @ Dec 5 2007, 05:26 PM)
hmmm...interesting...
but i dont like the thought of getting banned even if its a short one... :\
True, but so far, no one has been banned from using this type of connection. I didn't mention Lowerping specifically because there are posts on the forums of people using this type of service to connect to WoW that have emailed blizz to get confirmation but blizz didn't say yes/no. If it does turn out to be bannable, a lot of people will get banned, e.g. people playing from Uni / guilds that share a proxy for slightly better performance, not just Lowerping.
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