sHawTY
Jun 26 2007, 02:53 AM
The
first thread has been flooded with more than 2,467 posts.
Here comes Thread V2.
This thread is built for any questions that lingers through your thoughts and mind about any hardware.
Ask anything you want to ask, we'll help you in getting the answer for your question.
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I guess people will always have simple questions about hardware so let's post your one liner questions here.
Free for all.
(that means anyone, seniors and noobs alike can ask super stoopid question and not get whacked / flamed / scolded harrased / killed / whatever by any forumer - just in this thread) Other oneliner and "I-refuse-to-google" threads will be deleted without mercy
To those who flame others for asking stoopid question will get their share of flames, no question asked
kalakatu
Jun 26 2007, 03:08 AM
ill post first
sorry if the question is a little bit off topic..
besides of the size, what is/are the other differences between DVD+R (4485MB) and DVD-R (4489MB)?
ive been flooded with this question several times and i still dont know the right answer to give..
pasarmalam
Jun 26 2007, 09:58 AM
Whats the stable temperature for 8800 Ultra.& what is the danger level.
alwizbthere
Jun 26 2007, 10:19 AM
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jun 26 2007, 03:08 AM)
ill post first
sorry if the question is a little bit off topic..
besides of the size, what is/are the other differences between DVD+R (4485MB) and DVD-R (4489MB)?
ive been flooded with this question several times and i still dont know the right answer to give..

they are just 2 competing format, just like blu-ray and hd-dvd now
currently most dvd players or drives can read both without any problem at all, though older 1 might just support either 1
for technical difference between them, u can read more on wiki
it's something about how the data is written by the red laser
NasiLemakMan
Jun 26 2007, 12:33 PM
Guys, here noob a question:
Could I change my heatsink fan(so noisy!!) without changing to a new processor?
sHawTY
Jun 26 2007, 12:35 PM
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jun 26 2007, 12:33 PM)
Guys, here noob a question:
Could I change my heatsink fan(so noisy!!) without changing to a new processor?
Yes offcourse.
You're on which platform right now?
kalakatu
Jun 26 2007, 12:46 PM
QUOTE(NasiLemakMan @ Jun 26 2007, 12:33 PM)
Guys, here noob a question:
Could I change my heatsink fan(so noisy!!) without changing to a new processor?
of course u can change it..
but just an advice, if u changed it to 3rd party hsf, better keep the stock hsf, dun sell it or lost it..it will be used when u want to send the proc to rma..
NasiLemakMan
Jun 26 2007, 01:05 PM
P4 2.8E, Mobo:MSI PM8M-V
Which silent hsf is the best (value for money)?
yuka
Jun 26 2007, 05:05 PM
may i know y now ppl(most shop) sell e6320 but not e6300?
alwizbthere
Jun 26 2007, 07:55 PM
e6300 has been phased out, as e6320 has higher fsb and is an upgrade of e6300
greedy5513
Jun 26 2007, 09:46 PM
Pentium 4 2.4 2400 MHz 512 KiB 400 MT/s 24x
Pentium 4 2.4B 2400 MHz 512 KiB 533 MT/s 18x
both chips having the same frequency 2400mhz, same cache, but different FSB and multiplier, the question is, which works faster?
(doesn't understand what google can tell me

, help!)
goldfries
Jun 26 2007, 11:54 PM
the 2nd one works faster.
gtoforce
Jun 27 2007, 12:14 AM
dudes, one noob q
why is it sometimes, or most of the times, the cheaper cpu's can be faster than the expensive ones
like the Q6600 or its predecessor E6600, is the best performer compared to the QX6800 or the AMD X2 6000+ better than the more expensive intel counterpart?
or the E series or the Pentium Dual Core is better than AMD X2 or the FX series?
just need a basic answer
LittleLinnet
Jun 27 2007, 12:38 AM
What's the point of comparing dual core with quad core ??
And I dont think that E6600 is the predecessor of Q6600.
By basic, QX6800 should perform better than Q6600.
simpul
Jun 27 2007, 04:51 PM
which is better? x800pro or 6800 vanilla?
angelic-x
Jun 27 2007, 10:45 PM
how to check ATI graphic card Temp?? coz i find from catalyst control center cant find also..
ktek
Jun 27 2007, 10:54 PM
QUOTE(simpul @ Jun 27 2007, 04:51 PM)
which is better? x800pro or 6800 vanilla?
6800 can enable more effect than x800
due to directx 9c vs directx 9 vanilla
yuka
Jun 27 2007, 11:49 PM
QUOTE(angelic-x @ Jun 27 2007, 10:45 PM)
how to check ATI graphic card Temp?? coz i find from catalyst control center cant find also..
try using ATI Tray Tools
Prince of Andalus
Jun 28 2007, 12:45 AM
alwizbthere
Jun 28 2007, 08:01 AM
sorry my mistake, tat time i just came back from class and was blur blur
ikan_semilang
Jun 28 2007, 07:36 PM
Want to ask...isn't brand Colorful is reliable? I'm want getting gc from brand Colorful but scared about the brand.
LittleLinnet
Jun 28 2007, 07:38 PM
it is reliable, dont worry
ikan_semilang
Jun 28 2007, 07:47 PM
QUOTE(LittleLinnet @ Jun 28 2007, 07:38 PM)
it is reliable, dont worry
And may i know what same level Nvidia with X1600XT? Anyway thanks for helping me.
alwizbthere
Jun 28 2007, 08:20 PM
x1600xt roughly same with 7600gt
ikan_semilang
Jun 29 2007, 08:09 AM
QUOTE(alwizbthere @ Jun 28 2007, 08:20 PM)
x1600xt roughly same with 7600gt
Thanks for that answer. Just using and sastify with it.
AceCombat
Jun 29 2007, 09:48 AM
colorful not bad la....full of color mah....
as for X1600XT,almost same performance than 7600GS,as for 7600GT is almost same as X1650XT....
JdOtL
Jun 29 2007, 06:21 PM
Hi all, want to ask a noob question here, does notebook using pc100 sodimm ram can use pc133 sodimm ram or not? can't find any pc100 on the market oledi, so will consider if pc133 can be used.
kalakatu
Jun 29 2007, 07:27 PM
QUOTE(JdOtL @ Jun 29 2007, 06:21 PM)
Hi all, want to ask a noob question here, does notebook using pc100 sodimm ram can use pc133 sodimm ram or not? can't find any pc100 on the market oledi, so will consider if pc133 can be used.
i guess no problem seems it backward compatible..ur PC133 will be detected/rated as PC100
JdOtL
Jun 29 2007, 07:30 PM
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jun 29 2007, 07:27 PM)
i guess no problem seems it backward compatible..ur PC133 will be detected/rated as PC100

edit: sodimm, is it lappy's ram? if yes then i heard quite lot of incompatibilities, since we cannot adjust the ram timing and divider at the bios

Thanks for the info, looks like better be careful than sorry after....
xiong91
Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM
noob question here... casing side panel air hole for installin casing fan should be intake or outtake? and also the top surface of casing fan hole? intake or outtake? i wan to build a nice air flow system casing..
kalakatu
Jun 29 2007, 10:06 PM
QUOTE(xiong91 @ Jun 29 2007, 09:23 PM)
noob question here... casing side panel air hole for installin casing fan should be intake or outtake? and also the top surface of casing fan hole? intake or outtake? i wan to build a nice air flow system casing..
usually the front will be the intake while the rear will be the exhaust..
just like air coming from the front and blew out at behind..
and about the top or side, it depends on u..
usually i will make the top as exhaust, while the side is for intake to cool down my graphic card..
goldfries
Jun 29 2007, 10:34 PM
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jun 29 2007, 10:06 PM)
usually i will make the top as exhaust, while the side is for intake to cool down my graphic card..
that's what i do.

it doesn't make sense to have top as intake, as that would go against the law of physics of hot vs cold air movements
it doesn't make snese to have fans on the lower side of the casing as exhaust either, as that would mean that cold air are taken out. and again, it's not using the law of physics to help the system.
sHawTY
Jun 29 2007, 10:54 PM
QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 29 2007, 10:34 PM)
that's what i do.

it doesn't make sense to have top as intake, as that would go against the law of physics of hot vs cold air movements
it doesn't make snese to have fans on the lower side of the casing as exhaust either, as that would mean that cold air are taken out. and again, it's not using the law of physics to help the system.
Okay bro, since you're the Sifu, let me ask you something, what about the sidepanel fan?
Yea, most casing put the sidepanel fan as intake, but as far as we all know, we know that Lian-Li casings put the sidepanel fan as exhaust.
What do you think bro?
goldfries
Jun 29 2007, 11:00 PM
IMO deciding which one as intake or exhaust depends on the placement of the fan (height).
if you notice casings generally use the front panel fan as intake and the fan at the back (near PSU) as exhaust.
kalakatu
Jun 29 2007, 11:46 PM
QUOTE(sHawTY @ Jun 29 2007, 10:54 PM)
Okay bro, since you're the Sifu, let me ask you something, what about the sidepanel fan?
Yea, most casing put the sidepanel fan as intake, but as far as we all know, we know that Lian-Li casings put the sidepanel fan as exhaust.
What do you think bro?

perhaps LianLi made that design for a purpose of blowing out the hot air produced by graphic card..
but if we think logically, its quite 'bad' to suck out the fresh air that are supposed to be used to cool down the graphic card..
so, intake is better..at least we can cool our soundcard and mobo as well
yuka
Jun 30 2007, 01:25 AM
well, in any case it better to have one direction air flows.. just intake from front and exhaust at back... no need top and left.
xiong91
Jul 1 2007, 04:04 PM
hmm...if the position of side panel fan is at the top left side leh? means at the position of Proc with a turbine.... the fan should be intake or outtake? how about the position of side panel fan hole is in the middle of side panel or bottom left(graphic card)?
2nd ques... the Proc fan is blowing the air to the heat sink or sukin air from heatsink?
kalakatu
Jul 1 2007, 04:23 PM
QUOTE(xiong91 @ Jul 1 2007, 04:04 PM)
hmm...if the position of side panel fan is at the top left side leh? means at the position of Proc with a turbine.... the fan should be intake or outtake?
it should be intake, so that ur processor will be cooled down by a fresh air from outside
QUOTE(xiong91 @ Jul 1 2007, 04:04 PM)
how about the position of side panel fan hole is in the middle of side panel or bottom left(graphic card)?
for me it should be intake as well, same reason as above: for cooling down ur gc
QUOTE(xiong91 @ Jul 1 2007, 04:04 PM)
2nd ques... the Proc fan is blowing the air to the heat sink or sukin air from heatsink?
its blowing the air to the heatsink..
think logically, when u wanna drink something hot, u blow or u suck the hot air?
or when u feel hot, u stand at the front of the fan or behind the fan?
k!nex
Jul 2 2007, 05:45 PM
EDIT:problem fixed le. thank u everyone
AceCombat
Jul 2 2007, 06:39 PM
huh?10 pin??????????????????
u sure?
it is 20 pin i think,well,u can always cut it to become 20 pin,not to worry.
QUOTE(goldfries @ Jun 29 2007, 10:34 PM)
that's what i do.

it doesn't make sense to have top as intake, as that would go against the law of physics of hot vs cold air movements
it doesn't make snese to have fans on the lower side of the casing as exhaust either, as that would mean that cold air are taken out. and again, it's not using the law of physics to help the system.
mind explain what law of physic are u using?
kalakatu
Jul 2 2007, 11:26 PM
QUOTE(IEE @ Jul 2 2007, 10:06 PM)
mind explain what law of physic are u using?
aerodynamic perhaps
arafat
Jul 3 2007, 12:09 PM
can two sticks of ram one cl3 other one is cl2.5 running dual channel?
their timing same of different?
Kidicarus
Jul 3 2007, 12:20 PM
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 1 2007, 04:23 PM)
it should be intake, so that ur processor will be cooled down by a fresh air from outside
for me it should be intake as well, same reason as above: for cooling down ur gc
its blowing the air to the heatsink..
Umm actually your explanation doesn't make sense. What you want is to keep air flow in your case circulating, expelling hot air and sucking in cold air. Since Hot air rises, what you need to do is make sure the exhausts are expelling the hot air as it rises to the top. Front fans are usually intake fans because they bring in cold air from the outside to the bottom of the case and thermodynamics will take it to the top of the case where it can be expelled. That's why good cable management makes such a big difference in the cooling of a case.. hot air doesn't get trapped behind obstructions and ill placed cards.
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think logically, when u wanna drink something hot, u blow or u suck the hot air?
or when u feel hot, u stand at the front of the fan or behind the fan?

When you want to drink something the quickest way is usually to stir it with a metallic object (ie heatsink). Standing in front of a fan works because the airflow is designed to be channeled through the front. Imagine if you were sitting in a box with a wall to your back - all the hot air would just be blown towards you and get trapped in the back. You would still feel hot because you would just have hot air being recirculated around you. If you stand in a wind tunnel with no wall to your back, you'll be a lot cooler because there's no hot air to get trapped behind you. That's why having an exhaust where your graphics card/processor is probably a best idea esp since those pieces are producing the most heat.
kalakatu
Jul 3 2007, 04:33 PM
QUOTE(Kidicarus @ Jul 3 2007, 12:20 PM)
Umm actually your explanation doesn't make sense. What you want is to keep air flow in your case circulating, expelling hot air and sucking in cold air. Since Hot air rises, what you need to do is make sure the exhausts are expelling the hot air as it rises to the top. Front fans are usually intake fans because they bring in cold air from the outside to the bottom of the case and thermodynamics will take it to the top of the case where it can be expelled. That's why good cable management makes such a big difference in the cooling of a case.. hot air doesn't get trapped behind obstructions and ill placed cards.
When you want to drink something the quickest way is usually to stir it with a metallic object (ie heatsink). Standing in front of a fan works because the airflow is designed to be channeled through the front. Imagine if you were sitting in a box with a wall to your back - all the hot air would just be blown towards you and get trapped in the back. You would still feel hot because you would just have hot air being recirculated around you. If you stand in a wind tunnel with no wall to your back, you'll be a lot cooler because there's no hot air to get trapped behind you. That's why having an exhaust where your graphics card/processor is probably a best idea esp since those pieces are producing the most heat.
thanks for the clarifications
actually im not very good in explaining this kind of terms..so i just explained in which part i did understand only, and using the simplest language i ever known..
and basically my explanations before was just a simple and basic example..
Skylinestar
Jul 3 2007, 05:51 PM
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jul 2 2007, 11:26 PM)
aerodynamic perhaps

it's thermodynamic.
kalakatu
Jul 3 2007, 06:39 PM
QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 3 2007, 05:51 PM)
haha..dunno..im sux in physics
at least got same 'dynamic' at behind the word
nshady
Jul 3 2007, 08:53 PM
have a noob question , what's FSB? I know it's labelled on a MOBO...but dont really know what's FSB.....
and there's two different figure which is internal graphic fsb and external graphic fsb ...
lastly , when people overclock mobo......they overclock the FSB huh ?
arafat
Jul 3 2007, 08:59 PM
QUOTE(nshady @ Jul 3 2007, 08:53 PM)
have a noob question , what's FSB? I know it's labelled on a MOBO...but dont really know what's FSB.....
and there's two different figure which is internal graphic fsb and external graphic fsb ...
lastly , when people overclock mobo......they overclock the FSB huh ?
fsb is front side bus..yeah modify fsb to overclock.. fsb x multiplier = clock speed
but i never heard of internal/external graphic fsb.
i need help here..
can two sticks of ram one cl3 other one is cl2.5 running dual channel?
their timing same or different?
bulibulizaimon
Jul 3 2007, 09:08 PM
cl2.5 and cl3.0 sure different. Never heard different timing can run dual channel. Try this,
change the CAS# Latency to 3.0 for both (change can be made in BIOS configure - MOBO). Maybe it can run dual channel after that.
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