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goldfries
Dear forumers of LYN, we're sorry to notify you that the monthly recommendation thread has been closed, and so is the team, since everyone seems to be really busy, but this thread will be kept alive, for discussion, and many other things....as for those who are new, plz read the 1st post.

These are some rules I've laid down. Please Read It.

1. This thread is strictly for questions regarding performance/compatability related issues. The thread is also available for asking questions about what to recommend.

2. If u are to ask us to recommend you a rig:
a) Please State Your Budget
b) Please state the usage of the system
c) Please tell us what system u prefer, AMD or Intel

3. No Flaming is allowed in here, we are here to help each another, and not to put each another down, so if you wanna flame, bring it elsewhere.

4. All topics will be replied to ASAP, further questions can be asked through PM


The team here is not to be blamed for any compatibility issues. If it is the manufacturers fault for manufacturing a faulty part, argue with them. If it is your own fault for not being able to asseble or plug ur parts in properly, you and you alone have damaged your hardware, and you are not allowed to blame the team for your own faults.
Zhou
QUOTE(alwizbthere @ Jun 25 2007, 05:40 PM)
cpu, mobo, gc and ram buy last....
tat's practically a whole pc liao those items u wanna buy last....
if like tat, the only thing u could get with ur money now would be hdd, casing, psu, mouse, keyboard, and monitor....
probably would be slightly more than 2k only.....
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So...i think i'll go fo monitor 1st....Dell 2407WFP 24" LCD, any comment on it?
Casing, Mouse, n keyboard i'll buy it in august. anyone c razer tarantula keyboard in penang?
afosz
That's depends on the brand tongue.gif

More expensives LCDs can be viewed even at less than 45 degrees compared to the cheaper ones laugh.gif I think
goldfries
QUOTE(sayang_awak @ Jun 25 2007, 09:49 PM)
why most LCD got blindspot? cannot see less than 45 degree from beside. with normal CRT can what?
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different technology la. smile.gif
alwizbthere
QUOTE(Zhou @ Jun 25 2007, 08:29 PM)
So...i think i'll go fo monitor 1st....Dell 2407WFP 24" LCD, any comment on it?
Casing, Mouse, n keyboard i'll buy it in august. anyone c razer tarantula keyboard in penang?
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with ur budget, go for higher end 1 la, like samsung or lg
their design seems better compared to dell
and i still stick to my earlier comments, ur planning kinda sucks
leaving a monitor to gather dust for half a year????

QUOTE(sayang_awak @ Jun 25 2007, 09:49 PM)
why most LCD got blindspot? cannot see less than 45 degree from beside. with normal CRT can what?
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u can read up more on the tech in google
it has something to do about how lcd technology works
NekoRacing
Requirements:
- Basic usage includes watching movie on 20" Viewsonic display, Internet surfing, & games such as Dota.
- Budget 1k - 1.5k
- Salvaging DVD-ROM, AcBel 400W (2yrs old) PSU, PATA Seagate Hdd
- Preferably SFF - Any idea? (Willing to fork up to 1.8k)


I have decided to opt for
- ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
- CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2


What Mobo and GC, should i go for?
- Prefer to have dedicated GC for slight gaming.
- Not overclocking
kalakatu
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 26 2007, 02:56 AM)
Requirements:
- Basic usage includes watching movie on 20" Viewsonic display, Internet surfing, & games such as Dota.
- Budget 1k - 1.5k
- Salvaging DVD-ROM, AcBel 400W (2yrs old) PSU, PATA Seagate Hdd
- Preferably SFF - Any idea? (Willing to fork up to 1.8k)
I have decided to opt for
- ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
- CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
What Mobo and GC, should i go for?
- Prefer to have dedicated GC for slight gaming.
- Not overclocking
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better take the X2 3600 Brisbane dude..lower power consumption and very overclockable too (even if u dont want, i bet someday later u would like to try it)..

anyway since u plan on building the SFF rig, i recommend u the Biostar TForce T690G, or just take Biostar 6100..both are mATX size mobo..the price is below than RM300, for me its a good price for the features offered.. smile.gif
NekoRacing
- I am curious to, why you are suggesting me to get X2 3600+. Lower power consumption sounds good, but I have no plans for overclocking at all. I chose X2 3800+ because it has a higher cache at an extra of RM30, since the price difference of both processors are RM240 & RM270.

- Not necessarily that i have to build SFF, but it would be an advantage if I could. I notice that SFF barebone rigs are quite expensive.
awh85
the brisbane core x2 3600+ (not the windsor)has the same cache as the x2 3800+ at 2 x 512kb
kalakatu
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 26 2007, 03:21 AM)
- I am curious to, why you are suggesting me to get X2 3600+. Lower power consumption sounds good, but I have no plans for overclocking at all. I chose X2 3800+ because it has a higher cache at an extra of RM30, since the price difference of both processors are RM240 & RM270.

- Not necessarily that i have to build SFF, but it would be an advantage if I could. I notice that SFF barebone rigs are quite expensive.
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yes, u have no plans, but who knows, later u might wanna try it..after all, this brisbane can be overclocked up to 2.5GHz with stock vcore.. smile.gif

FYI X2 3600 Brisbane has same cache with X2 3800 Windsor, which is 512x2..
perhaps the one that u mentioned is X2 3600 Windsor, 256x2 cache..

and currently the price for X2 3600 Brisbane is only RM195..trust me, i just bought it 2 days ago.. wink.gif

edit: just in case if u dun believe us (me and awh85) about the cache part, u can take a closer look at my screenshot provided below smile.gif

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
NekoRacing
Can I get that from lowyat, or only through special bulks?
Btw, this might sound silly, how do you rate X2 3600+ compared to Barton 2500+

I didn't mean to sound, I don't trust you. I was refering to C-zone's pricelist. I haven't got to read all the posts about AMD procs.
ikan_semilang
QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Jun 25 2007, 05:58 PM)
I'm interested playing RTS game like Medal Of Honour and Ghost Recoon. Isn't enough playing at high setting with 7300GT and also isn't enough if psu Cooler Master 430w Extreme Power running with this spec:

AMD AM2 X2 3800+
ASUS M2N-E
Kingston 512MB DDR2 667mhz x 2
WD Raptor 36GB
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Anybody can help me? For gc, i will replacement with 6600GT...isn't enough?
akachester
QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Jun 26 2007, 08:17 AM)
Anybody can help me? For gc, i will replacement with 6600GT...isn't enough?
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Wouldnt 7300GT DDR3 be better than the 6600GT or you are replacing the 6600GT with the 7300GT?

Anyway goldfries, i am getting broken links for the AMD VS INTEL thread. Maybe you can fix that.Thanks..
ikan_semilang
QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 26 2007, 08:27 AM)
Wouldnt 7300GT DDR3 be better than the 6600GT or you are replacing the 6600GT with the 7300GT?

Anyway goldfries, i am getting broken links for the AMD VS INTEL thread. Maybe you can fix that.Thanks..
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Yeah i know but suddenly money broken to take 7300GT....i'm looking 6600GT because i got it around RM100.. sweat.gif
akachester
QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Jun 26 2007, 08:36 AM)
Yeah i know but suddenly money broken to take 7300GT....i'm looking 6600GT because i got it around RM100.. sweat.gif
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IC, in that case, 6600GT wouldnt be that bad either. Maybe you could look around in case a good deal in 2nd handed 7300GT pops out. AFAIK, its selling around RM200 and less in Garage Sales...
ikan_semilang
QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 26 2007, 08:40 AM)
IC, in that case, 6600GT wouldnt be that bad either. Maybe you could look around in case a good deal in 2nd handed 7300GT pops out. AFAIK, its selling around RM200 and less in Garage Sales...
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Thanks akachester. I will try keep searching... tongue.gif
akachester
QUOTE(ikan_semilang @ Jun 26 2007, 08:44 AM)
Thanks akachester. I will try keep searching... tongue.gif
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Well, the reason i am asking you to search is that i previously own the 7300GT and it really performs well. At least on my side for being such a cheap low level card. I am able to play most of the games on 1024 * 768 at HIGH to Max setting (with AA , AF off) and very satisfied with the gaming experience. Never owned the 6600GT before but considering the fact that so many jump the bandwagon from the 6600GT to 7300GT last time during the launching, i guess the latter should be the better one to choose. RM100 for a 6600GT is still a worthy buy but at best, look for the 7300GT (If lucky, you might even get the 256MB one..)..Just make sure its GDDR3 and you will be fine..
goldfries
QUOTE(akachester @ Jun 26 2007, 08:27 AM)
Anyway goldfries, i am getting broken links for the AMD VS INTEL thread. Maybe you can fix that.Thanks..
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fixed. remove the link until someone can find that thread.
kalakatu
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 26 2007, 05:02 AM)
Can I get that from lowyat, or only through special bulks?
Btw, this might sound silly, how do you rate X2 3600+ compared to Barton 2500+

I didn't mean to sound, I don't trust you. I was refering to C-zone's pricelist. I haven't got to read all the posts about AMD procs.
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Barton was a very hot processor, wasnt it? plus its default voltage is higher, thus cause the temperature to be rising drastically when full load..
so, X2 3600 is always cooler, better than Barton..

u can get it from lyp..check the cheapest price offered by PCZone and Viewnet..both of them offering lower than RM200..
goldfries
different architecture.

the barton is 1.83 GHz

that's still lower than X2 3600+, regardless of whether windsor or brisbane core.
NekoRacing
What I am trying to say is, X2 3600+, how many times faster in comparison?

- ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
- CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2

Would Biostar 6100 be a good choice for mobo, if I were to have a dedicated GC?
If I'm not wrong, Biostar has a built-in VGA, should I be opting for another mobo?

Any recommendations for GC for budget RM250 - RM380?
ikan_semilang
Isn't good to buy Xfx Geforce 7900gs Extreme? Got someone selling it with more 5 month warranty from shop at RM450... sweat.gif
kalakatu
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 26 2007, 04:20 PM)
What I am trying to say is, X2 3600+, how many times faster in comparison?

- ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
- CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2

Would Biostar 6100 be a good choice for mobo, if I were to have a dedicated GC?
If I'm not wrong, Biostar has a built-in VGA, should I be opting for another mobo?

Any recommendations for GC for budget RM250 - RM380?
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X2 3600 Brisbane : 1.9GHz
X2 3800 Windsor : 2.0GHz
Cache : 512kbx2 (same)

so for me, the difference is barely noticeable..do u can tell how fast is P4 3.2GHz than P4 3.0GHz? smile.gif
i used both (3600 and 3800) before, and Brisbane is better for me since its cooler and very overclockable..and yes i didnt notice any difference so far..

Biostar 6100 is cheap, yet its good for budget oriented user..
at least with that price (around RM200), its the best mobo, better than MSI, Gigabyte and Asus in that range..

yes Biostar 6100 has an onboard graphic, i dun think it will cause a problem if u r using an independent graphic card right? at least ur pc still can be used without gc, but of course u need to sacrifice some space of ur ram.. smile.gif

for that budget, perhaps u can go for 7600 series..
if u can fork out up to RM500, go for 7900GS..
8series? dun take the card lower than 8600GT..
NekoRacing
Specs -
RM210; ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
RM215; BIOSTAR 6100 AM2
RM280; CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
RM279; NVIDIA GEFORCE 8500GT 256MB DDR2 ( 450 / 800 MHZ )

Need your opinion on its compatibility issue.
- 2yrs old AcBel 400w, can this be salvaged onto a m-atx casing?
- compatible with Windows Vista?
goldfries
that setup works fine! biggrin.gif
Kloe
I'l looking in to buying a new pc, could you guys recommend me 1?

my budget is around 5.5k

the pc's gonna be used for heavy 3d, photoshop, illustrator, animation, video editing and also for a lot gaming.

i prefer intel, however, i can't decide which processor i should get, a quad core or dual core.

i'm willing to wait until july 22nd for the price drop on the processors,

also, i would prefer a 22'' screen smile.gif

any help would me much appreciated..
redx
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 27 2007, 05:42 AM)
Specs -
RM210; ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
RM215; BIOSTAR 6100 AM2
RM280; CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
RM279; NVIDIA GEFORCE 8500GT 256MB DDR2 ( 450 / 800 MHZ )

Need your opinion on its compatibility issue.
- 2yrs old AcBel 400w, can this be salvaged onto a m-atx casing?
- compatible with Windows Vista?
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hmm.. i totally agree wif kalakatu n awh85.. nod.gif i use x2,3600 brisbane too..it nice n got lower tmperature..n lower consumption yo..if u dun trust its ok..we just gve rcommedation..
but it ur decision anyway hmm.gif ..maybe u can try google out more..wat the different the mark regarding gc lower than 8600gt for 8 series n dffrnces 3600 brisbane wif 3800
laugh.gif
do u buy new hdd too?
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im going to buy a lappie for my fwen ,for architecture student..wat was the good spec?
the budget below 4k@4.5k..
afosz
E2140/E4300 with Gigabyte GA-P965-S3, is it a good pair for OCing?
AceCombat
yup,E2140 is a very good overclocker,and u can pair with with Biostar P965,sure skyrocketing
afosz
Skyrocketing eh? Consider pair up with VR and normal PSU, estimated can go around how high?
pedas
hi,
i'm planning to build a C2D 6600 rig.

which batch is the best?
which mobo should i use?

all those thing mainly for overclocking... tongue.gif
AceCombat
QUOTE(afosz @ Jul 1 2007, 02:58 PM)
Skyrocketing eh? Consider pair up with VR and normal PSU, estimated can go around how high?
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from my eperience of using more than 10 pieces of Corsair VS,90% of them stable @ 850MHz, (relabelled chipset),so that's mean the E21xx can oc to 3.0GHz no problem,if ur setup is less hardwares (1 hdd,1 dvdrom and 1 standard gc),normal psu will do.
AceCombat
QUOTE(pedas @ Jul 1 2007, 06:33 PM)
hi,
i'm planning to build a C2D 6600 rig.

which batch is the best?
which mobo should i use?

all those thing mainly for overclocking... tongue.gif
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well,which batch ah,
u can try ur luck with L629F125,irenic last time can hit 3.825GHz with 1.42vcore (depend ur lcuk,no promise those good batch can do some nice overclocking,i mean,not all L629F125 can do the same result as irenic did.)

mobo-
P35-DQ6,Biostar P965,DFI Dark Power

good luck out there bro.
Radeon
QUOTE(NekoRacing @ Jun 27 2007, 05:42 AM)
Specs -
RM210; ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
RM215; BIOSTAR 6100 AM2
RM280; CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
RM279; NVIDIA GEFORCE 8500GT 256MB DDR2 ( 450 / 800 MHZ )

Need your opinion on its compatibility issue.
- 2yrs old AcBel 400w, can this be salvaged onto a m-atx casing?
- compatible with Windows Vista?
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you might wanna reconsider your graphic card imho it's not worth to get it
pedas
anyone here using gigabyte GA-P35-S3? is it good for oc?
ikan_semilang
I want to change my current display 17" to 19" lcd monitor. Isn't quite big different?

Currently i'm own Viewsonic VX715 but aim Dell now

http://dellstore05.sg.dell.com/public/cart...=155031&sr_no=3

Isn't worth to buy? biggrin.gif
limjix
AceCombat
QUOTE(limjix @ Jul 2 2007, 05:27 PM)
My bro needs a computer for his college studies

The budget is RM2500
He will mostly be using it for assignments and stuff but not for graphics applications or games.
He doesnt mind whether its AMD or Intel just recommend something good that has good performance and good price and also user friendly.

Requests: (can recommend something better)

Asus motherboard (eying P5B if we take intel processor)
MSI or asus graphic card (mid range, eying Nvidia 8500 or 7000 series)
1gb Kingston RAM
Processor : Maybe a dual core processor (intel or amd)
WD HD 250gb Sata 2 16mb
Asus(or liteon,lg,pioneer) DVD player
Creative speakers (any)

btw, planning to buy XP not Vista

Thx alot guys!
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bro,if the pc is for surfing and office work (assignment),i think a rm1k pc will do the jobs perfectly. nod.gif
k!nex
QUOTE(kalakatu @ Jun 29 2007, 11:46 PM)
perhaps LianLi made that design for a purpose of blowing out the hot air produced by graphic card.. smile.gif

but if we think logically, its quite 'bad' to suck out the fresh air that are supposed to be used to cool down the graphic card..

so, intake is better..at least we can cool our soundcard and mobo as well  tongue.gif
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but if u look at it properly,he wans a quite good mobo and light gaming card from the hardware it mention.

to limjix:
if u wan good graphic card,it doesn't come from asus and MSI which mainly manufacture mobo.look for brands which mainly make GC not mobo.example:galaxy,winfast,gainward cardxpert,XFX, and many others.
if u wan good mobo, go for the P35 chipset series.965 is already outdate now.for ard 30 bucks like dat extra, y not go for a lil more advanced chipset.i suggest gigabyte P35-DS3.

actually if u only do assignments,Pentium Dual Core E 2140 also good enuf le.if i were u,i get 2Gb of RAM.coz now DDR2 price increasing.it will continue increase coz DDR3 is out.if u plan to upgrade,the cost will be higher in future.
limjix
QUOTE(AceCombat @ Jul 2 2007, 06:44 PM)
bro,if the pc is for surfing and office work (assignment),i think a rm1k pc will do the jobs perfectly. nod.gif
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QUOTE(k!nex @ Jul 2 2007, 08:53 PM)
to limjix:
if u wan good graphic card,it doesn't come from asus and MSI which mainly manufacture  mobo.look for brands which mainly make GC not mobo.example:galaxy,winfast,gainward cardxpert,XFX, and many others.
if u wan good mobo, go for the P35 chipset series.965 is already outdate now.for ard 30 bucks like dat extra, y not go for a lil more advanced chipset.i suggest gigabyte P35-DS3.

actually if u only do assignments,Pentium Dual Core E 2140 also good enuf le.if i were u,i get 2Gb of RAM.coz now DDR2 price increasing.it will continue increase coz DDR3 is out.if u plan to upgrade,the cost will be higher in future.
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to AceCombat:
tell me wat rig would u recommend for a budget of 1k with all the brands i stated above........and my bro wants this to kinda be a replacement for his old pentium 2 computer

To k!nex:
Well my dad really wants Asus mobo because it has served my bro and my computer for a long time and still no problem. And also i have been using MSI graphic card so i prefer to have the brands we have used before. Thx about the info on the processor and RAM. U sure RAM can increase the performance better than the processor?

so any more suggestions?
ryanso85
hi
i m goin to help my fren to build a new rig
budget not more than 1.5k
requirement:
only cpu
prefer AMD -- coz cheap...
mobo -- need help
ram -- need help
hdd -- 80G is enough
Graphic card -- can play dota and some minor gaming
dvd-writer -- any
casing + psu -- need help
anything else??

mostly for normaly usage like word..and the only game that he alw play is dota..i think 1.5k is more than enough..

thx 1st
budakdegilz
QUOTE(ryanso85 @ Jul 4 2007, 12:48 AM)
hi
i m goin to help my fren to build a new rig
budget not more than 1.5k
requirement:
only cpu
prefer AMD -- coz cheap...
mobo -- need help
ram --  need help
hdd -- 80G is enough
Graphic card -- can play dota and some minor gaming
dvd-writer -- any
casing + psu -- need help
anything else??

mostly for normaly usage like word..and the only game that he alw play is dota..i think 1.5k is more than enough..

thx 1st
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u can check goldfries blog... thumbup.gif
NekoRacing
E2140
2x 1GB Corsair DDR2 667
8500 Geforce 256MB DDR2

Any recommendations for a budget mobo?
alwizbthere
wat's ur budget and intended usage?
provide more info pls
but if for mobo alone, u could get gigabyte's p965-s3, or biostar 965 mobo
NekoRacing
Guys, which specs should I opt for?
Currently, the X2 system has an advantage for me, as it comes in a M-Atx form. Smaller casing could be handy for me.

Light gaming, probably for CS, Dota or WoW.
Mainly for watching movies.
Low budget, but don't mind forking extra if worth it.
Going to use this system for at least the next 3 yrs.

ATHLON AM2 X2 3800+
BIOSTAR 6100 AM2
CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
NVIDIA GEFORCE 8500GT 256MB DDR2 ( 450 / 800 MHZ )

or

Intel E2140
Abit IL9 PRO
CORSAIR PC667 DDR2 VS 1GB x2
NVIDIA GEFORCE 8500GT 256MB DDR2 ( 450 / 800 MHZ )




goldfries
option #1 it is.
1. onboard graphic card. biggrin.gif
2. the board on option #2 is using old chipset, so that's why i choose option #1.
NekoRacing
option #1, should i use Abit NF-M2s instead of Biostar?

I don't really need the onbboard graphics. my budget can go up to RM250 for a mobo.
ice.blended
alo people. long time lurker, first time poster here.

i told a friend to get a brisbane am2 3600+ x2 and biostar tf6100. he ended up with a biostar ta690g cos it has supposedly newer and better chipset and still within his budget. he's using a mushkin 1x 1Gb ddr667. going to oc but not to the bleeding edge limit i think. only using it for internet, movies, light games.


i see some people's sig using this combo. any comments on it running stock/overclocked?

nice to be here...
jasonkwk
please recommend a good value ddr2 ram for my msi p945 chipset mobo.thanks
oldfox
i think any value ram will be good for it...
hehe... so just go to search around
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