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popsicle
Edited: Turns out that this has become the main topic for True Fitness heheh.
clarencetan
Saw a banner outside usj branch, trial membership RM28 per mth. Anyone has any idea how the package works?

I called in and they insist to take down my number and call back. When I refuse to leave down my number (cause their sales staff will call you non stop), they said that they won't transfer the call to the sales staff to explain the package and that is their policy. It is just crazy, they insisting wanna have your number and harass you with calls.
REYZAI
i plan to join there. well, my fren got package like this > rm135, no yoga n thts the price for 2 years. he din pay the register etc, jz prepaid rm135 x 2, i meaning prepaid the member fee for 2 months only.

after tht, he asked her wife to join, she prepaid rm150++ x 2 for 2 months oso but inclusive yoga.
clarencetan
do u need to tie in for 1 or 2 yrs contract??
REYZAI
ERM...FOR THEIR CASE YES...2 YEARS. SORRY FOR THE CAPS USING CASHIER COUNTER NOW.
clarencetan
Any idea what is the mechanism of the package i saw in their website RM28/mth?
Ravenz
about a year ago my friend got a package that cost them Rm 114 per month only. That was a good deal tie in for 2 yrs only if I'm not mistaken.
ntlc87
i saw true fitness taipan..this promotion Rm 28 for a month? any1 can clarify with that promo?
popsicle
QUOTE(clarencetan @ Jan 12 2007, 11:45 PM)
Saw a banner outside usj branch, trial membership RM28 per mth. Anyone has any idea how the package works?

I called in and they insist to take down my number and call back. When I refuse to leave down my number (cause their sales staff will call you non stop), they said that they won't transfer the call to the sales staff to explain the package and that is their policy. It is just crazy, they insisting wanna have your number and harass you with calls.
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yes, the rm28 is for 1-month trial. But only 1 time trial only lar. Not sure if it is still available, but you can call in to confirm. Actually i'm on the trial now and also joined them as a member smile.gif

i don't know about taipan usj branch, but i know the hartamas branch's staff is very helpful when I called in the first time. They directed me to a counselor which explained a few packages to me through the phone. I have juz recently signed up with the 2+1 years package, where i'll pay rm159 x 24months. Still waiting for the sec14 branch to open though as it is nearer to my place.

QUOTE(REYZAI @ Jan 13 2007, 12:26 PM)
i plan to join there. well, my fren got package like this > rm135, no yoga n thts the price for 2 years. he din pay the register etc, jz prepaid rm135 x 2, i meaning prepaid the member fee for 2 months only.

after tht, he asked her wife to join, she prepaid rm150++ x 2 for 2 months oso but inclusive yoga.
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I don't know why would they separate packages into yoga and non-yoga ones. Maybe yoga classes is more popular among the ladies. I have not attend any yoga classes yet, maybe will soon.

QUOTE(Ravenz @ Jan 14 2007, 01:37 AM)
about a year ago my friend got a package that cost them Rm 114 per month only. That was a good deal tie in for 2 yrs only if I'm not mistaken.
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Ah, gym membership is usually cheaper while they are still new. But I think mine is cheaper, rm106 each month, but have to complete payment in 2 years shakehead.gif
darklight79
Just a question. Do you guys actually workout?
nezzy
wow u are up early
shadowjass
QUOTE(nezzy @ Jan 15 2007, 05:26 AM)
wow u are up early
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u r the same also wert... laugh.gif
shadowjass
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:17 AM)
Just a question. Do you guys actually workout?
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y r u asking this question? sounds funny... laugh.gif
nezzy
i have to go to work lar
malaysianPotato
QUOTE(shadowjass @ Jan 15 2007, 06:14 AM)
y r u asking this question? sounds funny... laugh.gif
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All they talk about are the promotions and pricing. . . Don't you find that wierd?
shadowjass
QUOTE(nezzy @ Jan 15 2007, 06:21 AM)
i have to go to work lar
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wow...need to wake up so early? rclxms.gif i guess i should enjoy my student life to the fullest now before i step into the workforce environment...can't imagine I have to wake up so early everyday... sweat.gif
shadowjass
QUOTE(malaysianPotato @ Jan 15 2007, 12:26 PM)
All they talk about are the promotions and pricing. . . Don't you find that wierd?
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probably they want to look up for the best price before joining a fitness centre.. laugh.gif
popsicle
QUOTE(shadowjass @ Jan 15 2007, 12:54 PM)
probably they want to look up for the best price before joining a fitness centre.. laugh.gif
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yea, my initial post was exactly that. can share share info on packages also. but now joined alrdy, so talk about other stuf on TF also can heheh. one thing which i suffered on my 1st day @ TF is that i didn't warm up b4 going into the BodyAttack class and ended up with leg cramp the next day sweat.gif
shadowjass
QUOTE(popsicle @ Jan 15 2007, 02:35 PM)
yea, my initial post was exactly that. can share share info on packages also. but now joined alrdy, so talk about other stuf on TF also can heheh. one thing which i suffered on my 1st day @ TF is that i didn't warm up b4 going into the BodyAttack class and ended up with leg cramp the next day  sweat.gif
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but then in da body attack class sure got warm up session one rite...
popsicle
QUOTE(shadowjass @ Jan 15 2007, 03:09 PM)
but then in da body attack class sure got warm up session one rite...
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missed the warm up part i guess unsure.gif
Jenson
QUOTE(popsicle @ Jan 15 2007, 03:35 PM)
missed the warm up part i guess  unsure.gif
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haha...wat time u reach there? well...since it's ur 1st time, even u hve warm up it oso can help u abit tongue.gif
hinko
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:17 AM)
Just a question. Do you guys actually workout?
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...true fitness suck..which gym u going?
Dannyl
I hate True Fitness. My last visit to the Hartamas branch really pissed me off. They really tried their best to make me sign up on the spot, no trials, nothing (even after promising me I'd get a free trial and asked me to bring my workout clothes some more). Talked crap like "what's stopping you from deciding now", "we don't sell memberships, we sell lifestyle", "we can call your credit card bank and negotiate for you" bla bla bla. Come on man, my mom buy oranges at pasar malam for like RM10 also got free tasting lah, this one a couple of grand a year and no trials? Judge the gym by the looks? Pure BS.
popsicle
QUOTE(Dannyl @ Jan 18 2007, 10:11 AM)
I hate True Fitness.  My last visit to the Hartamas branch really pissed me off.  They really tried their best to make me sign up on the spot, no trials, nothing (even after promising me I'd get a free trial and asked me to bring my workout clothes some more).  Talked crap like "what's stopping you from deciding now", "we don't sell memberships, we sell lifestyle", "we can call your credit card bank and negotiate for you" bla bla bla.  Come on man, my  mom buy oranges at pasar malam for like RM10 also got free tasting lah, this one a couple of grand a year and no trials?  Judge the gym by the looks?  Pure BS.
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may i know who consulted you? did you actually told them you want the free trial when you got there? From what you said, you actually just dislike the membership counselor staff, not True Fitness gym.

Yes some of the staffs may get a little pushy and annoying when it comes to signing u up, but i think other gyms' are almost similar anyway. And yes, I have come across such staffs. You just have to find a counselor which is honest and not so pushy, best through friend's recommendation or experience smile.gif
nlik
QUOTE(darklight79 @ Jan 15 2007, 05:17 AM)
Just a question. Do you guys actually workout?
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Well if you consider joining aerobic, yoga group classes working out, then yes lor. Since different persons have their own preferences. For me also, my schedule is like 70% attending classes and the rest is for lifting weights,stretching. hahah.. but you get what you work on so I'm closer to bruce lee thin type rather than Arnold.


QUOTE(popsicle @ Jan 15 2007, 02:35 PM)
yea, my initial post was exactly that. can share share info on packages also. but now joined alrdy, so talk about other stuf on TF also can heheh. one thing which i suffered on my 1st day @ TF is that i didn't warm up b4 going into the BodyAttack class and ended up with leg cramp the next day  sweat.gif
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It's also your initiative to do own self warm up before and stretching after the class which helps to reduce pain the following day. Also need to know your own limits so don't overdo and get injury.

But honestly kinda cramped,rush to put everything into a 1 hour class.
Dannyl
QUOTE(popsicle @ Jan 18 2007, 03:10 PM)
may i know who consulted you? did you actually told them you want the free trial when you got there? From what you said, you actually just dislike the membership counselor staff, not True Fitness gym.

Yes some of the staffs may get a little pushy and annoying when it comes to signing u up, but i think other gyms' are almost similar anyway. And yes, I have come across such staffs. You just have to find a counselor which is honest and not so pushy, best through friend's recommendation or experience smile.gif
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This was how it went:

Someone called Chelsea called up to talk about True Fitness and ask me to drop by for a free week trial. I said I wasn't free around that time, so maybe I'll make an appointment when I'm free. She continued to call up frequently, so one day I made an appointment. She told me to remember to bring my workout clothes, and do bring more friends along, they will get free trials too. So I brought along 2 of my friends there. Once there, I asked for Chelsea, and was shown to this gal called Peggy Law. Peggy said Chelsea wasn't available, so she'd show us around instead. So we followed her around the gym area, then she brought us to the waiting lounge (which was dark with spinning globe lights and little round tables and chairs - like a disco), asked us to fill up some forms, asked us about our fitness targets, and proceeded to show us the membership packages and asked us to sign up. We were like, what the fork?! We asked for the free trial and she said, "today is the last day of the promo, so it's pointless to give you the trial". Of course, we were just there to look around and check it out, so we told them directly. Then came the usual pushy sales attitude (the kind you normally see done by MLM-ers).

"But what's stopping you from deciding now?"
"I'm sure you're old enough to make decisions by yourself, right?"
"We're not selling you gym memberships, we're selling you a lifestyle."
"We can call your credit card bank boss and negotiate for a better payment options." (or some crap like that, I don't remember, I only distinctly remember she said call up the boss of the bank of our credit cards)
"Is it a money problem?" (we shook our head) "Then it's useless to offer you a membership even for RM50 a month, right?" (such sarcasm)

She also proceeded to fetch her 'boss' to talk to us. Nothing special about the boss, talks crap like her also. We can feel the words jumping out at us - "COMMIT. PAY. NOW." We insisted that we need to check out other gyms first, so finally (reluctantly), she let us have some free 1-week trials. But by then, it was already too late, we were pissed off already. We just let them make appointments for trainings or whatever, and then left and never went back.

I was an ex-member of Fitness First (2 years+ there, signed-up when Maxis branch opened) and would much prefer the brightly-lit and cheerful environment of FF. TF is just not for me, even without the sales talk - it has no convenient parking, I need to go through a toll to get to it, it's dark (probably to enhance it's 'coolness'), it's expensive, and it requires a yearly payment.

No offense to you, popsicle, I'm glad and happy you're enjoying yourself there. But my first visit already formed a very negative impression on me, so I have to say that I really hate True Fitness. I have no doubt the staff were purposely trained this way, and it's most probably not their fault also. I think Chelsea and Peggy were divided by their work functions - one to make the phone calls, and one to show you around and make you sign up. Their sarcastic and desperate attempts at the 'glamourness' and 'poshness' of the gym are really pathetic ("oh it's a lifestyle"). You probably didn't encounter such attitude because you were already ready to sign up anyway, or you were luckier and encountered some less crappy salesgirl.

So sorry if I offended anyone, but this is just my experience and I'm just sharing it. You may very well have better luck with TF.
REYZAI
QUOTE(popsicle @ Jan 7 2007, 04:09 PM)
Did anyone joined True Fitness in jaya33 (section 14)? I was told that it will open in March 2007 and now they are having pre-sale of rm159 each mth(24-mth contract), after opening they will charge about rm200. I know that there was a 3-year package where you have to pay rm159 x 24 mths and get the 3rd year free. I was wondering if anyone is still having or selling this package?
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i have a 24 months package to sell off here. its total rm2818.50, around rm117.50 permonth, exclusive of yoga class. i m not a true fitness consultant, just wana sell off my account for some reasons.
ws-
mine for 266.38/mth - pay 1 year for 2 years membership, around 133+ /mth. Went there last night .. not bad la
toytoy
Haha, i m the big water fish here, signed up pay 2 year get 5 years membership. Paid in total around RM4500 but if you divide by 60 months around RM72 per month only.

Anyone interested, i m selling mine coz i'll be moving away from subang already. my place is nowhere near true fitness.

BEWARE : the new package u sign up in Taipan USJ branch after March 2007 will not entitle you to yoga classes in PJ Section 14 branch.

My membership is Platinum membership and can use all facilities all over malaysia. Hehe biggrin.gif
sintian
ee...how they stop u fr attending yoga class?there is no registration/ID required b4 u step in2 the yoga studio if m not mistaken..
DaViDcHiN
One thing to make sure....they always say TODAY/TOMMOROW is last day for promotion, I experienced it by myself.....the banner outside everyday oso LAST DAY promo 1...-.-" Don't tricked by them....
smallbug
QUOTE(DaViDcHiN @ Jun 22 2007, 03:03 PM)
One thing to make sure....they always say TODAY/TOMMOROW is last day for promotion, I experienced it by myself.....the banner outside everyday oso LAST DAY promo 1...-.-" Don't tricked by them....
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Common with all gyms' salesperson talk.. don't believe a word they say.. biggrin.gif
hungheykwun
some more the jaya33 branch dont give towels..why no free drinks wan?
ws-
no free towels meh? i got woh 1 big 1 small
kiancher
True Fitnss sux! Guys...im here to tell u all this cos i dunwan u guys be a victim. U guys can search through google or any search engine type "True finess Sue" u will found out what the answer.
They are very tricky. They not focus on members healthy but more to sales. U could tight up by 1 or 2 years contract. On the spot, the contract will not list down how many years to cancel the membership but the sales person of cos will tell u that u can anytime cancel the memberships. When the times comes they will tell u many things and stop u to cancel.
Guys...many cases was happen in TRUE FITNESS most likely hartamas members sued them due to cheat or tricky. Hartamas members cans say very wealthy and able to sued.
Pls dun join truefitness....u will regret!!!
Kelv
Wow... Most of the fitness centre also receive negative comments.
Pricey, bad service, etc etc...
I guess I'll stick with my Uni gym at the moment.
Still finding a good fitness centre.
dokidoki
erm..i just come back from jaya33 TF..they offer pay rm315 for 12 months get another 18 months for free plus 6 free PT session....is it worth it?...my choice is only FF axis and this jaya33 TF
amir_iskandar
QUOTE(dokidoki @ Aug 22 2007, 11:05 PM)
erm..i just come back from jaya33 TF..they offer pay rm315 for 12 months get another 18 months for free plus 6 free PT session....is it worth it?...my choice is only FF axis and this jaya33 TF
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meaning rm315 for 30 months, wow that a bargain
a380
There is one '0' missing at the back, should be $3150 for 30 months.
dokidoki
QUOTE(a380 @ Aug 23 2007, 12:11 PM)
There is one '0' missing at the back, should be $3150 for 30 months.
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nope...315 need pay monthly...mean rm315 x12 then the another 18months free and then got 6 PT session
Imzadi
My first membership with TF was RM2,750 for 24mths ('05-'07) which made it RM114 per month. When it expired in May this year, they quoted me RM2,840 for 24mths (RM118.75 per month) which was still ok. Still haven't renewed my membership yet though.

So I reckon RM3,150 for 30mths (RM126 per month) with 6 PT sessions sounds ok too. I reckon the range should be anywhere in between RM115-RM130 for 24mths.

Anyone paid lower? And if so for how many mths?

dokidoki
QUOTE(Imzadi @ Aug 27 2007, 06:45 PM)
My first membership with TF was RM2,750 for 24mths ('05-'07) which made it RM114 per month. When it expired in May this year, they quoted me RM2,840 for 24mths (RM118.75 per month) which was still ok. Still haven't renewed my membership yet though.

So I reckon RM3,150 for 30mths (RM126 per month) with 6 PT sessions sounds ok too. I reckon the range should be anywhere in between RM115-RM130 for 24mths.

Anyone paid lower? And if so for how many mths?
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sound familiar like wat they quote me......i m still deciding take or not take~
AnimeAsia
QUOTE(Dannyl @ Jan 18 2007, 07:00 PM)
This was how it went:

Someone called Chelsea called up to talk about True Fitness and ask me to drop by for a free week trial.  I said I wasn't free around that time, so maybe I'll make an appointment when I'm free.  She continued to call up frequently, so one day I made an appointment.  She told me to remember to bring my workout clothes, and do bring more friends along, they will get free trials too.  So I brought along 2 of my friends there.  Once there, I asked for Chelsea, and was shown to this gal called Peggy Law.  Peggy said Chelsea wasn't available, so she'd show us around instead.  So we followed her around the gym area, then she brought us to the waiting lounge (which was dark with spinning globe lights and little round tables and chairs - like a disco), asked us to fill up some forms, asked us about our fitness targets, and proceeded to show us the membership packages and asked us to sign up.  We were like, what the fork?!  We asked for the free trial and she said, "today is the last day of the promo, so it's pointless to give you the trial".  Of course, we were just there to look around and check it out, so we told them directly.  Then came the usual pushy sales attitude (the kind you normally see done by MLM-ers).

"But what's stopping you from deciding now?"
"I'm sure you're old enough to make decisions by yourself, right?"
"We're not selling you gym memberships, we're selling you a lifestyle."
"We can call your credit card bank boss and negotiate for a better payment options." (or some crap like that, I don't remember, I only distinctly remember she said call up the boss of the bank of our credit cards)
"Is it a money problem?" (we shook our head)  "Then it's useless to offer you a membership even for RM50 a month, right?" (such sarcasm)

She also proceeded to fetch her 'boss' to talk to us.  Nothing special about the boss, talks crap like her also.  We can feel the words jumping out at us - "COMMIT.  PAY.  NOW."  We insisted that we need to check out other gyms first, so finally (reluctantly), she let us have some free 1-week trials.  But by then, it was already too late, we were pissed off already.  We just let them make appointments for trainings or whatever, and then left and never went back.

I was an ex-member of Fitness First (2 years+ there, signed-up when Maxis branch opened) and would much prefer the brightly-lit and cheerful environment of FF.  TF is just not for me, even without the sales talk - it has no convenient parking, I need to go through a toll to get to it, it's dark (probably to enhance it's 'coolness'), it's expensive, and it requires a yearly payment.

No offense to you, popsicle, I'm glad and happy you're enjoying yourself there.  But my first visit already formed a very negative impression on me, so I have to say that I really hate True Fitness.  I have no doubt the staff were purposely trained this way, and it's most probably not their fault also.  I think Chelsea and Peggy were divided by their work functions - one to make the phone calls, and one to show you around and make you sign up.  Their sarcastic and desperate attempts at the 'glamourness' and 'poshness' of the gym are really pathetic ("oh it's a lifestyle").  You probably didn't encounter such attitude because you were already ready to sign up anyway, or you were luckier and encountered some less crappy salesgirl.

So sorry if I offended anyone, but this is just my experience and I'm just sharing it.  You may very well have better luck with TF.
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How come it sounds so familiar? In fact, I met this kind of situation as well. In the end I joined California Fitness. When they (TF) explained the packages to me, I said ok to denote I understand and they take it as I agree to join. After he finished explaining, he said welcome to the club and ask me to sign a paper without telling me what it is. I refused to sign and ask him what is this form, only he said it's an agreement form.

One important warning to all of you. If they request for your IC and credit card saying they want to check whether you're eligible for a promotion, DON'T give them! I guarantee you'll regret it! Because I gave them and they swipe my card without my knowledge and approval. I filed a report against them through NCCC and the staff there told me this is not the first case.

Most of the staff there wants to reap quick profits. That's why force and trick you to sign up. In the event you want to sign up at TF, I strongly recommend you to be in front of them when they swipe your card. Don't let them take your credit card and walk away. They'll overcharge you as well. Once they did this, you're gone! Why? Because you signed the agreement form. You sue them also hard to win coz again, it's the agreement form.

I don't want more people to be caught in this trick. Please be alert!
Imzadi
Yeah, I've heard alot of horror stories like that about True Fitness. I was lucky and didn't get a pushy salesperson. That made me comfortable in joining TF.

Recently I went to Bangsar Village 2 to check out the gym there (is it Celebrity or California? Can't remember) but after the salesperson showed me around the gym, his sales pitch to get me to join the gym was hardcore! I was really, really irritated. I was thinking this is what ppl mean by irritating salesppl at gyms. Because I never went through it before, I was quite shocked and repulsed of the ways they try to get you to sign up. Of course I didn't bother to sign up in the end.

But I think the worst is when they outright con you like what AnimeAsia said. That's just despicable. All I can say is stand your ground when you get pushy salesppl and don't give in. And of course NEVER give your credit card if you have no intention in joining.


Added on August 28, 2007, 12:36 am
QUOTE(dokidoki @ Aug 27 2007, 10:20 PM)
sound familiar like wat they quote me......i m still deciding take or not take~
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I was quoting your quote! Sorry, I didn't use the 'Reply' button when I posted that!
sinhg
QUOTE(AnimeAsia @ Aug 27 2007, 11:06 PM)
How come it sounds so familiar? In fact, I met this kind of situation as well. In the end I joined California Fitness. When they (TF) explained the packages to me, I said ok to denote I understand and they take it as I agree to join. After he finished explaining, he said welcome to the club and ask me to sign a paper without telling me what it is. I refused to sign and ask him what is this form, only he said it's an agreement form.

One important warning to all of you. If they request for your IC and credit card saying they want to check whether you're eligible for a promotion, DON'T give them! I guarantee you'll regret it! Because I gave them and they swipe my card without my knowledge and approval. I filed a report against them through NCCC and the staff there told me this is not the first case.

Most of the staff there wants to reap quick profits. That's why force and trick you to sign up. In the event you want to sign up at TF, I strongly recommend you to be in front of them when they swipe your card. Don't let them take your credit card and walk away. They'll overcharge you as well. Once they did this, you're gone! Why? Because you signed the agreement form. You sue them also hard to win coz again, it's the agreement form.

I don't want more people to be caught in this trick. Please be alert!
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aiyoh.. doh.gif doh.gif
thanks for your info....
paqralos
anyone knows what are the latest promotions for true fitness for now?
dokidoki
QUOTE(paqralos @ Aug 28 2007, 01:15 PM)
anyone knows what are the latest promotions for true fitness for now?
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i think the most recent offer is..buy any 2 yrs contract then pay rm199 for another 6 months
dokidoki
any TF member at jaya33?..me just join..yesterday tongue.gif looking for gym mates~ smile.gif
fayeez
All gym use the same lame tactics thats for sure, it is not just true fitness...the same can be applied to celebrity , and fitness first ( havent been to california but im sure theyre the same also ) ...

I remember when i joined fitness first , they gave all kinds of crap (dont get me wrong, the FF person was nice to talk to n wasnt that pushy )... they would say , " i give you this price, this valid til end of the month and after that u wont get this price"...then when he saw i wasnt happy " , he went " okay lah bro, for you, i give special price" ....the offer was good so i joined ... later that guy had something else to do, so someone else came...

then it happened... the first guy came back and the 2nd guy ask the 1st guy, you gave him package A or B or C? ...so i wasnt given " a special price" ..... its their tactic to make you sign up... or feel special or wateva...

before TF at jaya33 oficially opened, they had this small building so that ppl can join the gym b4 it opens officially. i went there to ask bout the gym . My first impression of the gym was bad. As soon as i went inside, a malay guy opened the door for me. I am a malay so wat im bout to say isnt a racist remark. That malay guy , to me, was damn sombong, I smiled but he didnt even smile or look at me. he just told me to take a sit.

okay fine, then the someone else came. He was nice , wasnt rude, the only thing was ...i didnt like the way he talked to me. As the customer, and customer always right, you should never , question our decisions.

What i meant by that was , he gave me that " i give you special price" crap ...okay ...fine...then when i ask him " what if i want to stop" ..he replied " why do you want to stop? give me one good reason why you want to stop the gym" ... its my business la if i want to quit the gym or not..none of ur business right? ... after a while i didnt feel like sitting there and listening to him anymore...so i told him that i dont have credit card to pay monthly and i dont want to pay lumpsum ... he can even ask me " make credit card lor" ..and " how much ure earning a month" and other very very personal questions......then i left .. ( haa finally )

that guy called me for a week , forcing me to join...he called me 10 times, i answered once...even that one time, i asked my gf to answer and tell him i wasnt interested...

sigh...but right now im thiking of joining another gym, not because fitness first sucks, i dont care if the FF ppl are rude , i dont really speak to them, i just want a different enviroment, i was thinking of joining TF ( hopefully if i go there itll be a better experience for me ) ...i really dig the "club" enviroment...
dokidoki
QUOTE(fayeez @ Sep 13 2007, 12:32 PM)
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erm...their sales team are still the same...but i like their gym environment.. thumbup.gif
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