Dear forumers,

I am planning to upgrade my car audio system

Currently...
I am using a Pioneer DEH-P5650MP.... and just have my front component installed... using Kicker's components set...
the pic is below



So now I am planning to add
i) 1x 12inches Subwoofer.. (preferably Kicker Comp / ES... or maybe Mohawk's)
ii) Rear speaker (confuse over whether to add another component set behind or juz a 6x9 3 way speaker)
iii) Another set of AMP.... (1x or 2x of amp is better, any recommendation?

but I am not familiar over the difference between all these models.....
I want clear midrange and also want soft type of bass...
not those hard type
cause I don't blast techno, I listen to songs such as those Metals.. by Metallica, Cradle of Filth...

So SQ and Bass also must be balance....

Any recommendation
My budget is around RM2000 but if it exceeds the amount a little bit also nevermind... or anyone has a cheaper option but also good 1?

One last question is that those cheap speakers Selling here in the forum.. is it really worth buying? I am just afraid it's fake... (no offend to the seller.. sorry anyway)


Please advice... Thank You

hi,
sorry wanna ask sumthin quick. how much u got the kicker compset?

u can buy my Infinity Beta 10"x2 for SQ
or u can get a 12" Kicker C12 for SQ purpose

u listen to metal and u dont wan boom boom...u want soft type of bass...

dude...i listen to the same exact thing u do. metallica (gods ), cradle of filth, devildriver, all those metal songs.... n trust me....u WANT the boom boom when ur blasting. soft type of bass just doesnt do it la... i tried before. n listening to metal n dont blast means better listen to michael learns to rock where hes still learning how to rock....sudah how many years oso still havent passed yet...hehhhhehe

anyway....since u already have the front comps and the player.... i would suggest the following for you...

1/ comp sets for the rear
2/ 12" woofer
3/ 2x 2 channel amps
4/ x-over/ preamp if your player has only 1 pair preout

DO NOT GET 6x9...itll spoil the bass coming from ur woofer.. they are only to be used when no woofer is in the setup.

setup....

use 1x2 channel for the front comps and the other 2 channel bridged for the woofer. rear comps run directly from player. good enough for rear fills. this setup would give u good sound staging..and itll also be easier to setup the staging.

alternatively....u could run the front and woofer off a 4 channel amp. but have to make sure its a good strong one...

i did that and i ended up buying a monoblock because during high bass/loud sections of a song it tends to die due to lack of power.

hope this helps...n i think 2k is a rather ok budget. might be able to fit in all those depending on what brand u buy.

good luck and keep us updated when ur done....

kicker for SQ? i tot kicker is for SPL?

i think u kinda know my taste now...
so you think Mohawk 12' orange suits me more or Kicker Comp 12" ???

and what amp should i pair with to suit my sub woofer.... if AMP and subwoofer around 1k... what can i get?
can u please suggest the brand and the models?
10s alot ya

and also if i fix another rear component set.. should i go back on my kicker ex6.2 or got any other component sets to recommend?

get kicker is better with Comp .... like that all is brand kicker mah...

by the way, mind if i ask how much you bought the kicker ex6.2 last time???

really dont go for 6x9 for rear.... last time i try ... sound like sh*t haihz.. then change a comp set in

actually i dunno.. as this is a gift from my relative for my b'day present..
i have decided i won't go for 6x9 3 way oredi... but if i add another component set behind
what will it be? have to go back kicker or can try another brand/models?

For SQ, I would rather leave the rear section without any speakers. You're not watching a movie where surround sound is important right?

But if you're thinking of pleasing the rear passengers also, a pair of 2-way or 3-way coaxial is enough, but make sure they don't distract the sound from the front.

We have the same taste of music, mainly metal.

For rear subs, a 10" is sufficient enough. Regarding soft or hard bass pounding, it depends on how you tune the sound too. I set my rear amps level control to lower range so the bass sounded soft a bit.

12" woofer tends to get a longer bass...
which gives u more oommhhpppss~~~~

soulfly..... metal aint an SQ setup ler.... its more to SPL.... but if u can get good SPL with good SQ then

@Dani
1k for amp and woofer? well... u could try getting the JBL BP600.1 monoblock. i managed to get a brand new set from someone who imports it in from SG. found the feller online on lelong.

http://www.lelong.com.my/Auc/List/DetailSa...oductID=2058586

this amp is good.... managed to pecah the bauschmann woofer in my sig in less than a month....hehehehhe.

as for the woofer....i cant comment on the mohawk or the kicker since ive never heard them before...but i kinda like the bass produced from the American Autocraft 12" woofers when i was using them before... for myself....trying to find the time to go hunting for an Adire Brahma 12" woofer (PS - anyone know where to find the Adire Brahma 12" in PJ? n wat kinda price tag it has?) ...if cannot find the brahma then dunno which one to go for

setup wise....i recommend this...

front 2 channel amp connected to front comps.
bp600.1 - for subwoofer (duh! )
rear speakers - get good 2-way coaxial speakers and connect directly to the player.... this is so it wont damage your sound staging.

eerr....same way i suggested earlier lah! hehehhe

good luck n as i said earlier....let us know how it goes....

metal should have SQ also... if not how to listen to 'discreet' guitar effects and the high pitch screaming by the vocalist

madman... thanks for the info i will try to get the JBL guy..


soulfly is right
sound clarity is very important in metal... actually metal not say is SPL or either SQ but to me it has a balance of both

mADmAN,

any idea how to install component set midbass into my EF hatch door? should I take off the door cover first to allow the cable go through the 'proper' route?

Coz I was thinking of installing one myself

wanna ask
this 2 Kicker Comp 12" Sub got difference ar? which is better?

soulfly.....for my ex-EF i took out the entire door panel and installed my 6 1/2" comps... u running on EF9 door panels or EF3? mine i think was the suede door panels from a CRX EF8

be careful about the magnets though....you might have to put some sort of 'washer' for the speaker screws to avoid the magnet hitting the glass (depending on the size of your magnets la)....i did mine using cut outs from carton boxes....looked fugly as hell without the door panels

oh and the standard holes might not be fit with the comps as well....prepare some self tapping screws and a cordless drill


@Dani1010
a forumer PMed me regarding this sub a few days ago...saying he has a friend in cheras who wants to sell it....according to him this is a superb SPL sub...im actually interested in it...but i gotta go back to my installer and see what can be done regarding my woofer first....less than one month pecah liao so should still have warranty. dont wanna go wasting money just like that *sigh*. btw, ive never heard this sub before so i cant comment on it....looks nice though

EDIT: and yeah...i totally agree with the SP and SPL balance in metal music....i think it happens to be one of the hardest kinda music to tune nicely.... with my old setup in the EF i was constantly fiddling around with the preamp as diff songs has diff settings

front 2 channel amp connected to front comps.
bp600.1 - for subwoofer (duh! )
rear speakers - get good 2-way coaxial speakers and connect directly to the player.... this is so it wont damage your sound staging.


madman, why dont also connect the rear speakers to the amp ??
sorry..but can you explain more about sound staging?? kinda interested with this one ...

@ingjoo
imagine ur at a concert.....ur facing the stage....the sound will be coming from your front right? when u go to a concert of course u wanna face the stage....u dont want the stage to be behind you where the sound will be coming from behind....

same thing goes for car audio.... u want the sound to come from the front. installing the rear speakers to an amp will make the speakers volume either equal/louder/less than the front depending on ur tuning. less is of course better as the rear speakers wont overpower the front in terms of volume.

but louder is a definite no no... coz when u drive ull be hearing most of the sound from the back....especially when the vocals kick in.

equal volume will get u confused....like me sometimes it comes from the front...sometimes it comes from the back....sometimes its all around...depending on the section of the song. the same effect can happen when you rear is just slightly louder than your front....

alot of people tend to disconnect the rear speakers entirely just for the sake of staging. but connecting the rear directly to the player instead of the amp will almost guarantee proper staging and provide the rear passengers with something to listen to other than the boom boom boooooooooommmm from the woofer.

hope that helps

EDIT: just to add another benefit to NOT connecting the rears to an amp.... lesser power consumption lor hehehe

great explanation here.. certainly it helps alot of ppl here..

btw, if i buy amp + sub.... cable have to buy differently right? may i know how much will a cable cost? from normal cable's ---> good cable's price?

dani...of course cables are different.... and prices can differ..... some speaker cables can be RM3 per metre or like my stinger speaker cables are rm 5 per FEET.

RCA cables depends on length...around rm30 is the usual price for normal good rca 1.5m in length. my stinger RCAs costed me rm150 per pair.

best to put aside rm200 for labour + cables + fuse charges.

I'm using EF9 door panel on my EF.

I found out that most component set around has quite big magnet compare to the OEM EF speaker, afraid they might interfere with the window glass

Maybe the hardest part is to channel the speaker wire through the correct path

if u using EF9 side panels then should be ok la....the design is the same as my ex-EF only thing mine was suede...

speaker cables abit leceh...its true....but u can push them through the same route that ur power window cables and your central locking cable.

in my case the cables were wrapped in a black tube kinda thing between the door and the car which was located at the hinges.....but my friend didnt bother and just followed the path outside the tube... didnt have any effect oso....but i advise u to go through the tube la...neater

any comments regarding about Helix Deep Blue 12" vs Kicker CompVR ???

both is good sub...

but which 1 is bitter ?

such as maybe CompVR is good in blasting techno but not song listening while Heliz is vice versa???

there is no phrase as *better* in ICE
a man's meat might be a man's poison

it's better to take the 2 subs
listen it...and give ur own review

for me..i prefer kicker compVR
just me...

dun ask me why...i just plain like it

ok...ive been doing the recommendations in this topic...now its my turn to ask a question.....

i need a good 12" SPL sub. budget around 800. to be paired with my JBL BP600.1 monoblock. gonna be used to constantly blast metal music. and im talking LOUD metal music. also one that doesnt require a big box...something that i can reuse my box with....the box i have is big enough to sit between the 2 stock kelisa rear speakers.

prefer brand spanking new ones.

i was interested in the adire brahma....until i found out it costs 2k for a new one....basket. anyway, pls suggest me a woofer to get. gonna ask my installer to order it as a replacement for my broken BM sub

madman ....what kind of spl u wan lar??....good sub like MTX n JL audio sub r considered spl sub ....they can sore very high spl for competition but if u really wanna blast it loud for ppl outside to listen u will lose out to those cheapo sub used by those ah beng ....thats for sure cos they have very different frequency range ....cheapo sub can blast very loud from 50-150hz but good sub is usually for 80hz n below....in iasca i hit 142db with 2 10" mtx 8000 but if u wanan blast thumping music for everyone to hear....my sub can lost to a single kicker CVR sub anytime ......but u can hardly hear low 20hz rumbling bass from a CVR ....

Fusion.. so Kicker CVR is good in blasting songs like Metal (like what MadMan listens to)... cause MadMan and I do listen to the same type of songs..

yupe....its great with heavy metal ....its fast n powerful yet doesnt sound too hard and harsh .....Madman and Dani1010 ...i think u guys can meet up n have a listen to my frens CVR ....if u wan better sub u could try out d kicker L7 but the sub cost a bomb ...

again...wat is ur budget??
if u dun state...then i would recommend JL W3
can play loud and low

if u got lubang in s'pore
get the JBL W10GTi

errr....pls read my post again

kicker CVR eh? hhhmmm..... got me thinking now....sigh..but still cant do jack yet as im too busy with work....dammit.

and HEY!!! THIS TOPIC HAS BEEN PINNED!!! hehehhehe

rm800...
shiva suits nicely...
got change to make box also

I think Kicker CVR should be my only choice now..

i have something to ask, i want to add a component set but dont know which brand is good my budget isnt big too bellow 300, any one can suggest me what type of component set i can get? That day i saw one comp set brand Brothers.. price about 150 is it good?

one more thing... can a home stereo speaker put inside a car? since i have a few sets of this speaker at home...

stretch out a little more and u won't regret on ur buying
trust me

ok how much u suggest on? im a noob here any brand that u migh suggest?

for that price range ....u could try out Pegasus ....their component is quite good for budget users.....their reference car won the Sepang Iasca and also Singapore competition in the pro class for Sound quality.....i tried the speaker before ....its quite good.....but if u wanna get something better below 1k ...u could try out eton speakers......
u should go try them out yourself .....try not to go for famous brands like sony ....pioneer n stuff like that .....they do produce good speakers but the better wan usually cost a bomb......try around bfore u decide......

Pegasus costs RM600+ for the 162P

mambo,
if u're on low budget...
try this
http://zerotohundred.com/newforums/showthr...02&page=1&pp=15

how bout infinity comp set? model 6000cs?

i am planing to fit a comp set in the front, then get a 12" sub, was looking at soundstream xs-12. care to recommend amp to power these 2?

the downside is i need to get a H/L converter to get it work with my oem HU, build in, sigh.

unless it's the kappa series...
others i have no experience b4...

the soundstream xs12 is quite good sub
u can go for a 4ch amp...
i recommend u to get soundstream also..
cos i got lubang to get cheaper mah..

wat car r u driving ?
hi-lo will cause the signal loss

i m driving accord. so have to live with the oem HU atm. how bad is the H/L converter? i think thats the only option i had in order to hook up a better sound to my oem player. i am 75% comfirm the stock HU has no output whtsoever.

how much are you proposing for the 4-channel amp? hehe

good enuf to power one sub and a comp-set right?

actually the hio-lo conveter aint that bad ler.... signal loss is minimal one... i used to use one in my car and also in my previous car. it actually helped get rid of that stupid 'wheeee' engine noise. so dont worry too much about the converter. u aint gonna masuk competition right?

there's already 1 new accord with custom made console above the air cond blower
there will be another accord with the concept soon (will try 2 get pics for u)

the 4ch amp shud be able to power it up...
but it's better if u can use 2 seperate amp to prevent any overheat problem

i think ill probably go the same way as u dude.... u got lubang? how much is the woofer actually? u know the price ah?



i totally agree with this....i tried using the 4ch way n the amp kept cutting off during loud sections of a song....thats why i got a monoblock for the woofer....hehe

my superior in the office is also doing the same thing.... it overheated and cuts off...what he did was add an 80mm fan to blow on the amp...it worked actually...but i still wouldnt recommend it.

I pm-ed Yohannes... His price is RM580... deposit RM80

Kicker Comp is RM330

eh?? kicker CVR which price? 580 or 330? and is yohannes' set a new one or used?

whats the price for a brand spanking new 12" Kicker CVR ?

his set is a new 1
i think he means the 2005 model oredi

thanks driftmeister. dun forget the picture. but i have seen one with customised bracket at the cd compartment. not too bad but i dun think i wanna replace the HU atm.

nope, not entering competition but just wanna get a decent sound. if the stock HU is giving problem i might replace it..but till then will stick with it. it really goes with the center console.